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[AlanC9]

Dewart wrote...
You sound like a parrot showing that game companies damage control unfortunatly works. Although those items may not have been part of the original game there is no good reason why those items couldn't have been added to a dlc expansion like arrival.

Sure, they could have. Who's saying they couldn't have been?

But why should they have been?

You don't think that game companies realize that customers are in fact exploiting themselves and seeing how much they can get as a result? It is the game companies right to do so but that is in fact exploiting the customer's weakness.

That's awfully patronizing. Who are you to tell other ME players how they should spend their money, and what acceptable value for that money is?

[Stanley Woo]

shakey123 wrote...

I wish people had courage to go through with their convictions and protest against crap like this. Im sick to death of buying £50 games and finding out that little bits of meat have been cut off my product and thrown around.

It is not bits of meat that have been cut off from your product. It is little amuse-bouches that are offered to complement your meal.

This is unethical, fairplay producing significant content for after the game is released, but deliberately holding back content before the game is released is a joke.

No one is "holding back" content. it is being offered openly as "extras" for those players who want them.

This whole DLC debarcle is retarded. Once developers loved their games and poured everything into them (BG2?), now they slowly dissect them and laugh at us as we pick up the pieces. I mean having to buy Dr pepper was a joke, now we have to buy figurines? [inappropriate content removed]

We don't laugh at you. We love you. You can choose to buy whichever products you want. it is always your choice as to which of our offers you take and which you refuse, and we would never take that choice away from you.

[Forsythia]

I believe you, Stanley, I'd just wish you'd offer some easier way (and less expensive one) to get every piece of DLC for this game, even if it is after a few months after release. I've seen this for lots of games lately, why not do the same?

[Brownfinger]

Vote with your wallets. Feed the beast, so that I can get more Mass Effect merch in the future. I want a Femshep dream house and a pink Mako! Hoho.

Though I play the Xbox version, sympathies to my Sonybros. Being left out in the cold on the goodies is uncool. I kind of wish that I had waited to buy the first series now, but hey. What can you do? They're great figures, and the sculpting on series 2 is even better. Any information at all about the DLC or availability from someone within Bioware would be pretty welcome at this point, so far the only responses from relevant personnel have been uncertain on concrete detail. Point me in the direction, I wish to be an informed consumer.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:28 .

[Iamnotahater]

The not holding back content part just isn't true.

In alot cases with DLC content was on the disk and some games in a disgusting practice (imo) have taken to advertising "cut content" ingame.

Test Drive comes to mind. Need for speed is another. As does NWN where you couldn't access your companions inventory and when you tried you were given an advertisement to download DLC.

Dragon age: Orgins was another.

[izmirtheastarach]

Iamnotahater wrote...

The not holding back content part just isn't true.

In alot cases with DLC content was on the disk and some games in a disgusting practice (imo) have taken to advertising "cut content" ingame.

Test Drive comes to mind. Need for speed is another. As does NWN where you couldn't access your companions inventory and when you tried you were given an advertisement to download DLC.

Dragon age: Orgins was another.

Whether it is on the disc or not, if it's intended to be sold as day one DLC, it is not a part of the boxed retail product. That doesn't make it "cut content" it makes it day on DLC. If that reduces the value for you, don't buy it. The game or the DLC or both. It's all up to you.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:34 .

[Dewart]

Forsythia wrote...

I believe you, Stanley, I'd just wish you'd offer some easier way (and less expensive one) to get every piece of DLC for this game, even if it is after a few months after release. I've seen this for lots of games lately, why not do the same?

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[Dewart]

AlanC9 wrote...

Dewart wrote...
You sound like a parrot showing that game companies damage control unfortunatly works. Although those items may not have been part of the original game there is no good reason why those items couldn't have been added to a dlc expansion like arrival.

Sure, they could have. Who's saying they couldn't have been?

But why should they have been?

You don't think that game companies realize that customers are in fact exploiting themselves and seeing how much they can get as a result? It is the game companies right to do so but that is in fact exploiting the customer's weakness.

That's awfully patronizing. Who are you to tell other ME players how they should spend their money, and what acceptable value for that money is?

Hangs head in shame... got a little too firey there my apologies. kinda started escaping my point and diving into territory I didn't want to go to. Defensive my bad.

[AlanC9]

This topic does tend to get people's blood up a bit, Dewart.

[Iamnotahater]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

The not holding back content part just isn't true.

In alot cases with DLC content was on the disk and some games in a disgusting practice (imo) have taken to advertising "cut content" ingame.

Test Drive comes to mind. Need for speed is another. As does NWN where you couldn't access your companions inventory and when you tried you were given an advertisement to download DLC.

Dragon age: Orgins was another.

Whether it is on the disc or not, if it's intended to be sold as day one DLC, it is not a part of the boxed retail product. That doesn't make it "cut content" it makes it day on DLC. If that reduces the value for you, don't buy it. The game or the DLC or both. It's all up to you.

That's assuming I was aware the content was cut when I bought it.

I was not.

[izmirtheastarach]

Iamnotahater wrote...

That's assuming I was aware the content was cut when I bought it.

I was not.

That's a fine point. That point being that bad communication is bad. I think we can all agree on that.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:44 .

[Weltenschlange]

Dewart wrote...
Do: Allow us you buy dlc without the gimmicks(toy) and give toy collectors a bonus at the same time.
Do: Offer everyone the opportunity to buy that DLC
Don't: Exclusive (exclude)

That sounds like good business model to me.

Actually I don't understand why a company like EA would sacrifice potential money from direct DLC sales in order to be able to have exclusive DLC for retailers and cross-promotion.
Why not advertise these DLC as extra value that you get when you buy the game from a certain retailer or when you buy cross-promotion products?
Everybody wins that way.

[Poison_Berrie]

Dewart wrote...
At this point in time this dlc with the action figures is going a little bit over the line. I'm usually a very passive person but this has finally driven me to complain. My thoughts are if this sort of thing is not stopped here what is next for the gaming industry. I'm starting to feel like a lab rat only they are testing to see how much useless junk I will buy to enjoy all the item options in a game I spent my hard earned money on. I almost didn't complain at this point since part of me feels it will do no good. Another part of me has seen enough posts on this (forum and others) where people seem quite worried and actually say they feel "forced" to buy the action figures. Now I myself do not feel forced to buy these toys (I definatly won't be doing so) I feel I must at least try to convey the though that no one should have to feel that way. The only way for things like this to stop here is if people don't buy into it simple as that.

Oh I agree.
But I don't think the amount of people who are, I must say, stupid enough to buy this because they feel forced to is a substantial group to consider doing this action as deliberatly targeting them.
This is mearly some content that puts attention to these figurines and pulls those who have (or might) considered buying them over that line. They need so promotion because of how the figurines were abandoned in the past, something to hopefully restore trust in the completion of the line. 

And as I have said, they know better than to attach important content (party members and missions) to such promotional materials. If you want to sell something like that than you make it available to all. 
Which is why this stuff is probably pretty inconsequential (a leg up in the COÖP side of the game)

[izmirtheastarach]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Oh I agree.
But I don't think the amount of people who are, I must say, stupid enough to buy this because they feel forced to is a substantial group to consider doing this action as deliberatly targeting them.
This is mearly some content that puts attention to these figurines and pulls those who have (or might) considered buying them over that line. They need so promotion because of how the figurines were abandoned in the past, something to hopefully restore trust in the completion of the line. 

And as I have said, they know better than to attach important content (party members and missions) to such promotional materials. If you want to sell something like that than you make it available to all. 
Which is why this stuff is probably pretty inconsequential (a leg up in the COÖP side of the game)

I don't even think the people who are complaining about this are people who feel like they need to buy this stuff just to get the DLC. They just see it as an excuse to coplain about DLC.

Totally valid points about the important DLC though. It's not like I'm going to get a squadmate by buying an action figure.

[Stanley Woo]

Iamnotahater wrote...

The not holding back content part just isn't true.

In alot cases with DLC content was on the disk and some games in a disgusting practice (imo) have taken to advertising "cut content" ingame.

Test Drive comes to mind. Need for speed is another. As does NWN where you couldn't access your companions inventory and when you tried you were given an advertisement to download DLC.

Dragon age: Orgins was another.

Can't comment on Test Drive or Need for Speed, but I can say that Dragon Age Origins was a special case, if we're talking about Shale. Shale was originally cut because we didn't have time to finish the character and model and everything to fit it into the game. That's cut for good, kaput, no Shale at all in DAO. This is a far cry from it being "held back", It was only when the game was delayed that we decided that the content could be finished in time to put into the game again.

Because it was then intended for DLC, it did not need to be done in time to be put onto the disc, giving us even more time in which to finish the content. And even then, it was offered as free, day 1 DLC on new copies of the game. We cannot count on such happenstance for every DLC package or anything that we cut from the game. Stuff that is actually cut from the game is intended to be cut for good.

As for NWN, i don't remember anything that behaved as you described it. Companion inventory was added, if I recall correctly, in the Hordes of the Underdark expansion, as we only had the NWN Live Team, which I suppose could technically be called a DLC team. An honest to goodness "advertisement to download DLC" in NWN doesn't sound right at all, since we were still experimenting with periodic bonus content at the time. The only "advertisement to download DLC" that I recall is for DAO, where we had an NPc advertising DLC within the party camp. And if I recall, many people in the community didn't like that very much.

[Dewart]

AlanC9 wrote...

This topic does tend to get people's blood up a bit, Dewart.

yes I see that I have kind of stumbled into a hornets nest. All I'm really after is the point that its not "always up to us" to get the dlc that we want it's up to us to get most of the dlc we want but not all. Take the case of terminus armor for xbox/pc as an example. I did not have the opportunity to get it for various reasons. If I had the opportunity to get that dlc I definatly would have. Putting that aside I would gladly pay for it now. unfortunatly I have no option to do so therefore it is not up to me in that case. does't that type of thing bother everyone? definatly not. Does it bother me? yes. Does it bother others? from what I have read yes. it's a problem only bioware/ea can solve. in my case an answer as to why not would suffice to others I know personally it is a great deal of stress that can only be solved if they can get ahold of it. unfortunatly not everyone has the ability to let that sort of thing go. yes it sounds silly to a number of people on here but to that individual it's a complex problem. it's not a feeling of entitlement or wanting free stuff it's having the means to acquire that object but no option to.

[Abirn]

Weltenschlange wrote...

Dewart wrote...
Do: Allow us you buy dlc without the gimmicks(toy) and give toy collectors a bonus at the same time.
Do: Offer everyone the opportunity to buy that DLC
Don't: Exclusive (exclude)

That sounds like good business model to me.

Actually I don't understand why a company like EA would sacrifice potential money from direct DLC sales in order to be able to have exclusive DLC for retailers and cross-promotion.
Why not advertise these DLC as extra value that you get when you buy the game from a certain retailer or when you buy cross-promotion products?
Everybody wins that way.

I really don't get why they would go through with exclusive retailer content when EA will turn right around and complain the retailer cuts into their profits via used game sales.

[izmirtheastarach]

Abirn wrote...

I really don't get why they would go through with exclusive retailer content when EA will turn right around and complain the retailer cuts into their profits via used game sales.

Because the retailer gives them a financial incentive to do so?

[Abirn]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Abirn wrote...

I really don't get why they would go through with exclusive retailer content when EA will turn right around and complain the retailer cuts into their profits via used game sales.

Because the retailer gives them a financial incentive to do so?

If they are going to reward specific retailers with exclusive content then they lose the moral right to complain about the used game sales that specific retailer engages in. 

[Dewart]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

The not holding back content part just isn't true.

In alot cases with DLC content was on the disk and some games in a disgusting practice (imo) have taken to advertising "cut content" ingame.

Test Drive comes to mind. Need for speed is another. As does NWN where you couldn't access your companions inventory and when you tried you were given an advertisement to download DLC.

Dragon age: Orgins was another.

Can't comment on Test Drive or Need for Speed, but I can say that Dragon Age Origins was a special case, if we're talking about Shale. Shale was originally cut because we didn't have time to finish the character and model and everything to fit it into the game. That's cut for good, kaput, no Shale at all in DAO. This is a far cry from it being "held back", It was only when the game was delayed that we decided that the content could be finished in time to put into the game again.

Because it was then intended for DLC, it did not need to be done in time to be put onto the disc, giving us even more time in which to finish the content. And even then, it was offered as free, day 1 DLC on new copies of the game. We cannot count on such happenstance for every DLC package or anything that we cut from the game. Stuff that is actually cut from the game is intended to be cut for good.

As for NWN, i don't remember anything that behaved as you described it. Companion inventory was added, if I recall correctly, in the Hordes of the Underdark expansion, as we only had the NWN Live Team, which I suppose could technically be called a DLC team. An honest to goodness "advertisement to download DLC" in NWN doesn't sound right at all, since we were still experimenting with periodic bonus content at the time. The only "advertisement to download DLC" that I recall is for DAO, where we had an NPc advertising DLC within the party camp. And if I recall, many people in the community didn't like that very much.

I played NWN and also don't remember any advertisements. I didn't mind the advertisements with DA:O
I agree with the bulk of this post.

I'm just wondering if you could elaborate on the experimenting with periodic bonus content part. If not thats cool I guess I think it just might help a few of us understand.

[izmirtheastarach]

Abirn wrote...

If they are going to reward specific retailers with exclusive content then they lose the moral right to complain about the used game sales that specific retailer engages in. 

Do they? Why are those things related at all? You can't do business with someone while when you have a problem with a couple of their business practices? Seems like that concept would destroy the entire business world.

[Bad King]

So is this dlc multiplayer only?

[AlanC9]

Stanley Woo wrote...

As for NWN, i don't remember anything that behaved as you described it. Companion inventory was added, if I recall correctly, in the Hordes of the Underdark expansion, as we only had the NWN Live Team, which I suppose could technically be called a DLC team.

Shadows of Undrentide, I think, though modders had found a way to make it work in the OC before that shipped.

Anyway, talking about an advertisement for DLC when you tried to access a henchman's inventory is just crazy. Maybe he's thinking of some other game?

[AlanC9]

Dewart wrote...

I'm just wondering if you could elaborate on the experimenting with periodic bonus content part. If not thats cool I guess I think it just might help a few of us understand.

NWN Premium Modules. Stand-alone adventures for NWN. AFAIK this pioneered the paid DLC concept.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:23 .