A more normal one would be nice. I found the figures in MotA too extreme and not really believable anymore.
What type of orlesians you want in Dragon Age III (Possible Spoilers)
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 03:33
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I'd actually like a chevalier character. Someone who is trapped in an ideal that few of his countrymen bother to uphold. A little arrogant, yet at the same time virtuous. A perfect victim for awkward situations he gets put in by the other companions. Sort of how Varric and Isabela used to pick on Aveline.
Basically, what Ponendus said, I think. There is potential in this!
Basically, what Ponendus said, I think. There is potential in this!
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 04:31
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Wulfram wrote...
A variety of non-stereotypes.
One aspect that should definitely be explored is that Orlais possesses perhaps the most powerful military in Thedas - outside the Qunari, anyway. That doesn't really fit with their reputation - and indeed portrayal - as fops, and that contrast is interesting. Somewhere under all the lace is steel.
I got a sense they went for some kind of 'French samurai' feel, regarding the military / the Chevaliers that is.
Courtiers and aristocrats and merchants can be decadent, but the real warriors are tough and arrogant and take no merde from smelly barbarians.
It's an uneasy mix for a fictional nation, and personally I get the feeling the inconsistencies are tearing Orlais as a 'credible' nation apart. Orlais is definitely not like the actual historical France, a highly diverse and very individualistic collection of regions. But the supposed 'foppiness' of the French court from Louis XIV to Marie-Antoinette dominates popular imagery in English-speaking countries. No Three Musketeers, La Reine Margot or The Duelists can change that.
Ah well. C'est la vie.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 10:50
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If we had only one Orleisan companion, I would want them to be relatively "normal." And a dude, to make up for the fact that we've already had a female Orleisan.
If we had 2, I would want one to be normal, and one to be full of stereotypes, because I think it would create an interesting party dynamic. Especially if the normal one was annoyed by the foppish one. But maybe the foppish one will eventually rub off on the normal one. I dunno. Could be fun.
But for all we know, the protagonist will be the Orlesian. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN.
If we had 2, I would want one to be normal, and one to be full of stereotypes, because I think it would create an interesting party dynamic. Especially if the normal one was annoyed by the foppish one. But maybe the foppish one will eventually rub off on the normal one. I dunno. Could be fun.
But for all we know, the protagonist will be the Orlesian. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN.
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 10:53
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renjility wrote...
A more normal one would be nice. I found the figures in MotA too extreme and not really believable anymore.
MotA's depiction of Orlesians is actually in line with how they're described in-game. They're called "painted fops". And not all of them were wearing paint anyway.
At least, I'm assuming you're talking about the face paint.
I demand a masquerade ball in DA3 though, where I can dance with my LI to a waltz. It'd be nice if it was something akin to the Waltz of the Damned
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 11:39
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
renjility wrote...
A more normal one would be nice. I found the figures in MotA too extreme and not really believable anymore.
MotA's depiction of Orlesians is actually in line with how they're described in-game. They're called "painted fops". And not all of them were wearing paint anyway.
At least, I'm assuming you're talking about the face paint.
I demand a masquerade ball in DA3 though, where I can dance with my LI to a waltz. It'd be nice if it was something akin to the Waltz of the Damned
I agree, we need more parties to go to. It was the best part of MoTA.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 02:03
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I do know this is a game and a story but why should we assume that a story and a game should be reason to insult the French at any stage of their history? Is it that we wish to hear tales of French virtue and bravery muttered by even a poor man gone mad such as I? I'm not the one to go on and on about this, my meds have been insufficient sometimes. I should switch to Invega, but I really don't need the muscle spasms. Anyway, on then.
In the game Dragon Age Origins and its sequels, we have only met a handful of Orlesians in Ferelden and through the accounts of Fereldens. I am sure the Orlesians have accurate stories about the vicious and mean-spirited Fereldens as well. And we will probably find Orlais as full of innocent and well-meaning folk as we did see in Ferelden. After all, we trust that the corruption in Ferelden was not typical and we focus blame on Loghain, Howe, Uldred, the crime rampant in Denerim, the disease rampant in the Denerim Alienage. It is difficult for the Fereldens to criticize their inherent lack of vigilance on their own cultural tendencies. It would be just as difficult for the Orlesians to criticize themselves even though the Orlesians are not descended of werewolves, even though the Orlesians do not frolic naked under the noonday sun with droves of drunken mabari as do the Fereldens.
We will hopefully see more reasons why Orlais invaded Ferelden and not just the greedy and sacred reasons. Hopefully that avenue will be open through libraries and conversations with the elderly who recollect what Ferelden was to outsiders before the invasion. That is why I hope to see an elderly Orlesian be a staple companion, especially one who participated in the losing battle at Denerim.
There must be a reason why a chevalier is given such power -- this would not need to be an evil reason and for Fereldens to call it the same is ignorance arising from understandable biases. In the same way, mages are treated as a necessary evil by the Templars. and we should not force ourselves to ignorance without understanding that Orlesians and Orlais itself are not evil. Orlais contains a force of unification that strives to keep a bit of order: the Orlaisian Chantry. Also Orlais uses pockets of absolute power so that people can be protected lest harm come to them. Of course, this sometimes fails as in the cases we are brought mindful of in Ferelden, Ferelden that hates Orlais more than it should.
Of course, many a player does not have time to perform self-critique as to why they think Orlais is the Evil Empire and check information as potential propaganda. Here is a reason to have a bardic character who does involve her or himself in rooting out spies and agents provocateur. Cheering up Orlesians who hear their people insulted as vile and wicked might be another duty of a traveling bard. And I think we all need to hear ways of ignoring insults or arguing against such things. However, far be it from the needs of Bioware to laud Orlais at the expense of interesting dialogue. None of us are here to entertain but rather to suggest at and comment on game experience. So perhaps such a bard would be more concentrated on the task at hand than waxing poetic about Orlesian virtues. Rooting out spies and criminals might be more the duty of such a person.
Social structures are usually for a purpose other than decadence. Decadence is rewarded with rebellion and much mayhem; there seems to be little historic account of rebellions; the power of Orlais is unquestionable and the virtue of its citizens demonstrated in such folk as Riordan, Aveline, and the Warden Commander. Also we must know that Orlais is not full of wicked Marjolaines and raveningly murderous DuPuises.
An experienced and virtuous warrior whose virtue does not extend to stemming gentle licentiousness (like Wynne at her best) should be present. If this warrior is a chevalier who loves women only, all the better for Bioware's lesbian fans, and all the better for any of us who think lesbians are mean to men. A chevalier needn't be mean, low behavior and quick anger leads to dishonor. I know quite a few lesbians who have heterosexual male friends and these friendships are as deep and meaningful as any friendship could be.
In any case, Orlesians are always going on about how filthy and stinking Ferelden is. Why not have most places in Orlais be clean and hygenic? Surely also the chevaliers who are honorable unto death (as they are described) would see it as their duty to ensure the safety and sanity of their underlings, servants, peasants, and laborers. Lack of administrative wisdom as to the effects of poor sanitation and high population is greater in history and the present day than one might think. Toxoplasmosis could be considered a harsh contributor to human history at all social stratum throughout human history.
One who is of Tevinter might note the cleanliness of Orlais as a boon and be better able to compliment Orlais than those who are spiteful towards the conquering saint. As Tevinter was mentioned as a possible destination in DA3, it might be suitable for a Tevinter mage to make comment on the beneficial effects of Orlesian culture.
I hope to see the Fex make an appearance sometime in the Dragon Age series. It shouldn't remain a with-held opportunity. A Fex wizard might be too extraordinary, too much splash and pizzazz. It might be better should any Fex be Tallis. After all, Orlais just tried to steal the Tome of the Koslun from the Qunari. I think Orlais would be crawling with a great many of the Tallis, possibly including the familiar elven Tallis we met in Mark of the Assassin. And wouldn't it be odd if Orlais was depleted of many troopers (all in their troops) when an Exalted March was called? Depleted enough to facilitate a Qunari invasion?
In the game Dragon Age Origins and its sequels, we have only met a handful of Orlesians in Ferelden and through the accounts of Fereldens. I am sure the Orlesians have accurate stories about the vicious and mean-spirited Fereldens as well. And we will probably find Orlais as full of innocent and well-meaning folk as we did see in Ferelden. After all, we trust that the corruption in Ferelden was not typical and we focus blame on Loghain, Howe, Uldred, the crime rampant in Denerim, the disease rampant in the Denerim Alienage. It is difficult for the Fereldens to criticize their inherent lack of vigilance on their own cultural tendencies. It would be just as difficult for the Orlesians to criticize themselves even though the Orlesians are not descended of werewolves, even though the Orlesians do not frolic naked under the noonday sun with droves of drunken mabari as do the Fereldens.
We will hopefully see more reasons why Orlais invaded Ferelden and not just the greedy and sacred reasons. Hopefully that avenue will be open through libraries and conversations with the elderly who recollect what Ferelden was to outsiders before the invasion. That is why I hope to see an elderly Orlesian be a staple companion, especially one who participated in the losing battle at Denerim.
There must be a reason why a chevalier is given such power -- this would not need to be an evil reason and for Fereldens to call it the same is ignorance arising from understandable biases. In the same way, mages are treated as a necessary evil by the Templars. and we should not force ourselves to ignorance without understanding that Orlesians and Orlais itself are not evil. Orlais contains a force of unification that strives to keep a bit of order: the Orlaisian Chantry. Also Orlais uses pockets of absolute power so that people can be protected lest harm come to them. Of course, this sometimes fails as in the cases we are brought mindful of in Ferelden, Ferelden that hates Orlais more than it should.
Of course, many a player does not have time to perform self-critique as to why they think Orlais is the Evil Empire and check information as potential propaganda. Here is a reason to have a bardic character who does involve her or himself in rooting out spies and agents provocateur. Cheering up Orlesians who hear their people insulted as vile and wicked might be another duty of a traveling bard. And I think we all need to hear ways of ignoring insults or arguing against such things. However, far be it from the needs of Bioware to laud Orlais at the expense of interesting dialogue. None of us are here to entertain but rather to suggest at and comment on game experience. So perhaps such a bard would be more concentrated on the task at hand than waxing poetic about Orlesian virtues. Rooting out spies and criminals might be more the duty of such a person.
Social structures are usually for a purpose other than decadence. Decadence is rewarded with rebellion and much mayhem; there seems to be little historic account of rebellions; the power of Orlais is unquestionable and the virtue of its citizens demonstrated in such folk as Riordan, Aveline, and the Warden Commander. Also we must know that Orlais is not full of wicked Marjolaines and raveningly murderous DuPuises.
An experienced and virtuous warrior whose virtue does not extend to stemming gentle licentiousness (like Wynne at her best) should be present. If this warrior is a chevalier who loves women only, all the better for Bioware's lesbian fans, and all the better for any of us who think lesbians are mean to men. A chevalier needn't be mean, low behavior and quick anger leads to dishonor. I know quite a few lesbians who have heterosexual male friends and these friendships are as deep and meaningful as any friendship could be.
In any case, Orlesians are always going on about how filthy and stinking Ferelden is. Why not have most places in Orlais be clean and hygenic? Surely also the chevaliers who are honorable unto death (as they are described) would see it as their duty to ensure the safety and sanity of their underlings, servants, peasants, and laborers. Lack of administrative wisdom as to the effects of poor sanitation and high population is greater in history and the present day than one might think. Toxoplasmosis could be considered a harsh contributor to human history at all social stratum throughout human history.
One who is of Tevinter might note the cleanliness of Orlais as a boon and be better able to compliment Orlais than those who are spiteful towards the conquering saint. As Tevinter was mentioned as a possible destination in DA3, it might be suitable for a Tevinter mage to make comment on the beneficial effects of Orlesian culture.
I hope to see the Fex make an appearance sometime in the Dragon Age series. It shouldn't remain a with-held opportunity. A Fex wizard might be too extraordinary, too much splash and pizzazz. It might be better should any Fex be Tallis. After all, Orlais just tried to steal the Tome of the Koslun from the Qunari. I think Orlais would be crawling with a great many of the Tallis, possibly including the familiar elven Tallis we met in Mark of the Assassin. And wouldn't it be odd if Orlais was depleted of many troopers (all in their troops) when an Exalted March was called? Depleted enough to facilitate a Qunari invasion?
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 03:36
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In the voice of Teryn Loghain.CrimsonZephyr wrote...
The only Orlesian I want is a dead Orlesian.
Well said.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 08:53
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septembervirgin wrote...
I do know this is a game and a story but why should we assume that a story and a game should be reason to insult the French at any stage of their history? Is it that we wish to hear tales of French virtue and bravery muttered by even a poor man gone mad such as I? I'm not the one to go on and on about this, my meds have been insufficient sometimes. I should switch to Invega, but I really don't need the muscle spasms. Anyway, on then.
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I get what you are trying to say, but you are trying to defend Orlais and the Orlesians on the basis of mostly speculation. Most players will base their views on the information they got from DA:O and DA2. And they pretty much depict most (not all) Orlesians as foppish semi-evil dudes and dudettes with outrageous accents. Most of the ‘good’ Orlesians are either Ferelden by birth (Leliana, Riordan) or grew up in Ferelden (Avelline, not clear if her mother is Ferelden or Orlesian though).
No evil intent is suspected (Bioware has a pretty good record as far as treating races and sexual orientations fairly equally), but subtle and thoughtful it is not. I can fully understand why some people in this thread conclude that ‘the only good Orlesian is a dead Orlesian’.
Or that Antivans and Rivainis are Mafiosi, pirates and other outlaw scum.
Maybe we have to see it in the Hollywood tradition of depicting Europeans (with the English as exceptions, unless it’s an American War of Independence movie, in which case they are Evil Incarnate) as evil dudes and criminals. Unless they are sexy. In which case they may be deliciously evil or fall for the American (or alternatively, English) hero.
Personally I think they went a bit too overboard with the stereotypes and clichés. And rather tricky, considering the fact they’re using real-world nations as templates.
That works best in comedy (including action comedy), and even then…(Borat, ugh)
Anyway, some fun examples:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch
(in French, but I think the gist of the first 3 minutes is pretty clear. So much for Ferel...er, English courteousness towards the ladies. And anyway, a Comte de Montmirail type of Orlesian would be cool. Or how about a quartet of famous Chevaliers, defending the honour of the Empress?)
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:13
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Fereldan is british english, though. Not american. I think it is realistic enough that we come to percieve the Orlais and all the other countryies with bias. Because we have not been there and have only heard the bias and steorotype Fereldan and Kirkwall have. Such as Antivian are assasin. Orlais are snoppishs pricks and all in Tevinter are blood mages. If we had started in Orlais fereldand would have been baracric and smelling dog lords.
Anyway I don't think that the Duke was bad. He was a perfectly good villan untill not looking who he gave the scroll too. And his son was a lot better than I imagine a noble, orlesian would be (Honestly nobles haven't exactly been the nicest people). Yeah there was that comic noble who throw a temper tantrum, but honestly if we didn't met one steoriotype we would have been dissapointed.
The Cheveliars seems to be the royal guard/ orlesian army. I don't think they are worse than fereldan nobility who think they can kidnap elves at their wedding day and nobody other than a eventual grey warden reacts and put their bastard in the guard no matter if they are suited or not. Honestly I think the bards are a larger problem since they don't exactly strike me as the loyal type.
Anyway I don't think that the Duke was bad. He was a perfectly good villan untill not looking who he gave the scroll too. And his son was a lot better than I imagine a noble, orlesian would be (Honestly nobles haven't exactly been the nicest people). Yeah there was that comic noble who throw a temper tantrum, but honestly if we didn't met one steoriotype we would have been dissapointed.
The Cheveliars seems to be the royal guard/ orlesian army. I don't think they are worse than fereldan nobility who think they can kidnap elves at their wedding day and nobody other than a eventual grey warden reacts and put their bastard in the guard no matter if they are suited or not. Honestly I think the bards are a larger problem since they don't exactly strike me as the loyal type.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:43
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
renjility wrote...
A more normal one would be nice. I found the figures in MotA too extreme and not really believable anymore.
MotA's depiction of Orlesians is actually in line with how they're described in-game. They're called "painted fops". And not all of them were wearing paint anyway.
At least, I'm assuming you're talking about the face paint.
I demand a masquerade ball in DA3 though, where I can dance with my LI to a waltz. It'd be nice if it was something akin to the Waltz of the Damned
I am not talking about the face paint, no. I am talking about the way they act. I can imagine they are more frivolous and extravagant, but in my opinion it was taken too far. It seemed more like a parody now.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:50
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renjility wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
renjility wrote...
A more normal one would be nice. I found the figures in MotA too extreme and not really believable anymore.
MotA's depiction of Orlesians is actually in line with how they're described in-game. They're called "painted fops". And not all of them were wearing paint anyway.
At least, I'm assuming you're talking about the face paint.
I demand a masquerade ball in DA3 though, where I can dance with my LI to a waltz. It'd be nice if it was something akin to the Waltz of the Damned
I am not talking about the face paint, no. I am talking about the way they act. I can imagine they are more frivolous and extravagant, but in my opinion it was taken too far. It seemed more like a parody now.
How there were one Orlesian who threw a temper tantrum and he was a joke. The duke was reasonably enough and his son wasn't so bad. The cometess is the cometess we already met her before. They call their food funny names, but that is hardly bad.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 06:04
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I don't like how devs show us orlesians too. Orlais is a greaty country- first university in Thedas, the strongest army, Chanrty home. And what do we saw? Some funny or stupid humans but not the greatest human country.Wulfram wrote...
A variety of non-stereotypes.
One aspect that should definitely be explored is that Orlais possesses perhaps the most powerful military in Thedas - outside the Qunari, anyway. That doesn't really fit with their reputation - and indeed portrayal - as fops, and that contrast is interesting. Somewhere under all the lace is steel.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 06:14
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Logain poisined Arl Eamon, sell (SELL!) elves from alienage because he think he can save his country. But all drirt fall in orlesian heads.Poshible wrote...
In the voice of Teryn Loghain.CrimsonZephyr wrote...
The only Orlesian I want is a dead Orlesian.
Well said.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 06:39
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Das Tentakel wrote...
It is gratifying to see the meticulous care and subtle attention to detail Bioware put into its worldbuilding.
Orlesians: Foppy French and semi-evil. The only good Orlesian is a dead Orlesian, a Ferelden by birth raised in Orlais
(Leliana, Riordan) or an Orlesian raised in Ferelden (Avelline).
Antivans: Italo-Russian Mafiosi
Rivainis: Vaguely Hispanic pirates and criminals, though the women are sexy, rrrrrawrrrr:devil:
Tevinters: Vaguely Graeco-Italian slavers and sadists.
Fereldens: Freedom-loving and mostly decent Anglo-Americans.
Hmmm…I really wonder who designed this world? Certainly not a bunch of Anglos from Canada…
And yes, I know it’s a bit more nuanced than that. But there’s something decidedly…uncomfortable about the way they have characterized the different nations so far.
It has the subtlety of a British soccer hooligan on holiday in France.<_<
Hopefully that will change in future installments in the series.
I am just upset that none of the countries were based on Slavic countries...XD
I demand a Polish/Russian based country!
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slashthedragon wrote...
Das Tentakel wrote...
It is gratifying to see the meticulous care and subtle attention to detail Bioware put into its worldbuilding.
Orlesians: Foppy French and semi-evil. The only good Orlesian is a dead Orlesian, a Ferelden by birth raised in Orlais
(Leliana, Riordan) or an Orlesian raised in Ferelden (Avelline).
Antivans: Italo-Russian Mafiosi
Rivainis: Vaguely Hispanic pirates and criminals, though the women are sexy, rrrrrawrrrr:devil:
Tevinters: Vaguely Graeco-Italian slavers and sadists.
Fereldens: Freedom-loving and mostly decent Anglo-Americans.
Hmmm…I really wonder who designed this world? Certainly not a bunch of Anglos from Canada…
And yes, I know it’s a bit more nuanced than that. But there’s something decidedly…uncomfortable about the way they have characterized the different nations so far.
It has the subtlety of a British soccer hooligan on holiday in France.<_<
Hopefully that will change in future installments in the series.
I am just upset that none of the countries were based on Slavic countries...XD
I demand a Polish/Russian based country!
Well... you could join us Germans in Anderfels. Being a devout, grim warrior living in a grim country being grim and devout all day long! Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
So... where is my cross pattée tabard and my horned helmet?
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Well... you could join us Germans in Anderfels. Being a devout, grim warrior living in a grim country being grim and devout all day long! Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
So... where is my cross pattée tabard and my horned helmet?
You also get to eat cheese, if Alistair is to be believed.
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Wulfram wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Well... you could join us Germans in Anderfels. Being a devout, grim warrior living in a grim country being grim and devout all day long! Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
So... where is my cross pattée tabard and my horned helmet?
You also get to eat cheese, if Alistair is to be believed.
And have a flying dog as a pet!
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Wulfram wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Well... you could join us Germans in Anderfels. Being a devout, grim warrior living in a grim country being grim and devout all day long! Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
So... where is my cross pattée tabard and my horned helmet?
You also get to eat cheese, if Alistair is to be believed.
I would not have a problem with an Orlesian if it would be a combination between "Deutsche grundlichkeit" and "une petit peux raffine" from the french. Both countries have their great things.
But the cheese has to be Dutch of course
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I want to see Orlesians like Emile de Launcet. Maybe even himself; but then sober and with a new hairstyle for a change. 
Also, dat Riordan.
Also, dat Riordan.
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But seriously. It would al depend on the rest of the party. I can imagine a chevalier, a tank character for the party. Aveline is a female tank in DA2 so I would like it to be a male, sword and shield bearing, Orlesian tank. Character; little bit a snob and keeping up appearences but rough bolster white pit kinda guy. Devoted to Orlais, the maker and the cause he will be fighting for in DA3.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:43
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Let's see...
Evangeline from Asunder
BRING BACK LELIANA!!!
Fiona.
Cassandra
That's all I really would like to see.
Evangeline from Asunder
BRING BACK LELIANA!!!
Fiona.
Cassandra
That's all I really would like to see.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 09:54
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sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Well... you could join us Germans in Anderfels. Being a devout, grim warrior living in a grim country being grim and devout all day long! Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
So... where is my cross pattée tabard and my horned helmet?
You also get to eat cheese, if Alistair is to be believed.
I would not have a problem with an Orlesian if it would be a combination between "Deutsche grundlichkeit" and "une petit peux raffine" from the french. Both countries have their great things.
But the cheese has to be Dutch of course
We ('Lower Anderfels'?) and the Scandinavians ('North Anderfels'?) are probably already included in the Anderfels folk.
Centuries of trying to get rid of our German cousins' overlordship and still you end up 'heim ins Reich', even if it is just in Thedas:crying:
Well, I guess we will, at the very least, produce the finest cheeses in all of Anderfels.
Not sure about the horned helmets though, perhaps the Anderfels warriors will end up wearing pickelhauben.
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NovinhaShepard wrote...
Let's see...
Evangeline from Asunder
BRING BACK LELIANA!!!
Fiona.
Cassandra
That's all I really would like to see.
Cassandra's Nevarran.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 10:08
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TobiTobsen wrote...
Well... you could join us Germans in Anderfels. Being a devout, grim warrior living in a grim country being grim and devout all day long! Sounds like fun, doesn't it?
Sounds awesome. I just want my fur hat and my sexy slavic accent
