ME2 left so much to improve upon that I doubt ME3 will get the same treatment as GoW3 did in relation to its previous installments.
Combat was stiff, levels were elaborate shooting galleries, choices from ME1 didn't really matter yet, mission structure made the game a whole lot less immersive, story really just kinda demanded you to wait for ME3 for a satisfying conclusion, textures were pretty ugly at times in the console version (even by console standards), etc.
Everything they've said tells me that they're fixing most of these things.
Guess the Metacritic score.
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#77
Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:05
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Userscore really doesn't matter anymore.
Userscore really doesn't matter anymore.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:05
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95 from critics
7 from user reviews (and I'm being generous with this number)
7 from user reviews (and I'm being generous with this number)
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:10
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Anthropophobic wrote...
ME2 left so much to improve upon that I doubt ME3 will get the same treatment as GoW3 did in relation to its previous installments.
Combat was stiff, levels were elaborate shooting galleries, choices from ME1 didn't really matter yet, mission structure made the game a whole lot less immersive, story really just kinda demanded you to wait for ME3 for a satisfying conclusion, textures were pretty ugly at times in the console version (even by console standards), etc.
Everything they've said tells me that they're fixing most of these things.
That depends on what you perceive as needing improvement. It's all subjective. ME2, for example, is widely considered to have much improved shooting mechanics, but here on BSN that just lead to huge amounts of whining that ME2 had been "turned into a shooter" or "wasn't an RPG anymore". One gamer's improvement is another gamer's "Ruined Forever!!!!"
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:10
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user meta score 70s
Critic 90s
Critic 90s
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:12
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From a gaming politics point of view, Mass Effect 3 will be this year's Skyrim of RPGs. That means regardless of how well the game holds up over a couple months, the majority of reviews will be in the first week or two and will most likely garner 95-100. The only way Mass Effect 3 will get less is if it drops the ball on any of the features (making something not as good as previous installments) which doesn't seem to be the case. Also if they drop the ball on the story they could get less than a 95-100 average.
Dropping the ball on the story in the critic world isn't the same as BSN (no ones going to pick at a sentence of one scene for 3 pages of a review if they even notice an error). Not to mention the game seems to be full of some jaw dropping scenes which can make up a for less than stellar storytelling. Case in point the dragons in Skyrim. Basically if reviewers loved ME2 over ME1, they will love ME3 over ME2/ME1.
Dropping the ball on the story in the critic world isn't the same as BSN (no ones going to pick at a sentence of one scene for 3 pages of a review if they even notice an error). Not to mention the game seems to be full of some jaw dropping scenes which can make up a for less than stellar storytelling. Case in point the dragons in Skyrim. Basically if reviewers loved ME2 over ME1, they will love ME3 over ME2/ME1.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:15
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Balek-Vriege wrote...
From a gaming politics point of view, Mass Effect 3 will be this year's Skyrim of RPGs. That means regardless of how well the game holds up over a couple months, the majority of reviews will be in the first week or two and will most likely garner 95-100. The only way Mass Effect 3 will get less is if it drops the ball on any of the features (making something not as good as previous installments) which doesn't seem to be the case. Also if they drop the ball on the story they could get less than a 95-100 average.
Dropping the ball on the story in the critic world isn't the same as BSN (no ones going to pick at a sentence of one scene for 3 pages of a review if they even notice an error). Not to mention the game seems to be full of some jaw dropping scenes which can make up a for less than stellar storytelling. Case in point the dragons in Skyrim. Basically if reviewers loved ME2 over ME1, they will love ME3 over ME2/ME1.
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:16
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DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
And you just proved my point about BSN (assuming you were asking that seriously).
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:17
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DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
From a gaming politics point of view, Mass Effect 3 will be this year's Skyrim of RPGs. That means regardless of how well the game holds up over a couple months, the majority of reviews will be in the first week or two and will most likely garner 95-100. The only way Mass Effect 3 will get less is if it drops the ball on any of the features (making something not as good as previous installments) which doesn't seem to be the case. Also if they drop the ball on the story they could get less than a 95-100 average.
Dropping the ball on the story in the critic world isn't the same as BSN (no ones going to pick at a sentence of one scene for 3 pages of a review if they even notice an error). Not to mention the game seems to be full of some jaw dropping scenes which can make up a for less than stellar storytelling. Case in point the dragons in Skyrim. Basically if reviewers loved ME2 over ME1, they will love ME3 over ME2/ME1.
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
A lot of people. That's why it has better score in reviews and among average people on the net than ME1. Only here on BSN do a minority control the message that "ME2 sucked because it isn't a true RPG and the story sucks." Everywhere else the story was great (maybe not as good as ME1), but the gameplay was much, much better than ME1 for many.
someguy1231 wrote...
DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
And you just proved my point about BSN (assuming you were asking that seriously).
+1
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Frankly, I trust BSN and forums in general more than I trust reviewers because I get opinions from people who have played the game for significant amounts of time and who are probably more informed, and not a reviewer who has deadlines to meet, a publication to represent, and fanboys to pander to. Forum-goers will pick up on the things reviewers generally fail to notice.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:20
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People are being WAY TOO generous with the user score. I expect it to be around 4.5 to 5 on those opening days.
Critic reviews - I don't really put stock in these either. Their scale for huge AAA releases pretty much goes from about 75-100. I expect really high pre-release scores if any, and then others to avg it out to about 93.
The only scores I put any amount of stock in outside friends are the mid range scores, theses usually eliminate the 'haters' and the 'fanboys' and offer pros and cons.
Critic reviews - I don't really put stock in these either. Their scale for huge AAA releases pretty much goes from about 75-100. I expect really high pre-release scores if any, and then others to avg it out to about 93.
The only scores I put any amount of stock in outside friends are the mid range scores, theses usually eliminate the 'haters' and the 'fanboys' and offer pros and cons.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:25
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Anthropophobic wrote...
Frankly, I trust BSN and forums in general more than I trust reviewers because I get opinions from people who have played the game for significant amounts of time and who are probably more informed, and not a reviewer who has deadlines to meet, a publication to represent, and fanboys to pander to. Forum-goers will pick up on the things reviewers generally fail to notice.
Good point. Like Skyrim for example. It had a lot of perfect reviews, but little did the reviewers know that dragons and crafting get pretty old 2/3 weeks and after that, there isn't much to do that's exciting (especially since modding has been hindered somewhat from the toolset delay). You won't find those tidbits in 90% of the reviews because they were all done in the first couple of days. Don't get me wrong I like fighting dragons in that game, but i'm also playing Fallout NV again and finishing up MOTB/SOZ from Neverwinter Nights 2 right now (aka not playing Skyrim).
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:29
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official critic reviews are useless because the scores are artificially high to stay in the favor of EA, so that they send them games for early review. or to get them to pay for ads on their website. or to just pay them. i do know that quality has nothing to do with having a high "official critic" score, but the dev/publisher does
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DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
From a gaming politics point of view, Mass Effect 3 will be this year's Skyrim of RPGs. That means regardless of how well the game holds up over a couple months, the majority of reviews will be in the first week or two and will most likely garner 95-100. The only way Mass Effect 3 will get less is if it drops the ball on any of the features (making something not as good as previous installments) which doesn't seem to be the case. Also if they drop the ball on the story they could get less than a 95-100 average.
Dropping the ball on the story in the critic world isn't the same as BSN (no ones going to pick at a sentence of one scene for 3 pages of a review if they even notice an error). Not to mention the game seems to be full of some jaw dropping scenes which can make up a for less than stellar storytelling. Case in point the dragons in Skyrim. Basically if reviewers loved ME2 over ME1, they will love ME3 over ME2/ME1.
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
*Raise hand*
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Anthropophobic wrote...
Frankly, I trust BSN and forums in general more than I trust reviewers because I get opinions from people who have played the game for significant amounts of time and who are probably more informed, and not a reviewer who has deadlines to meet, a publication to represent, and fanboys to pander to. Forum-goers will pick up on the things reviewers generally fail to notice.
So do I.
And even here, ME2 is more popular. But the minority of ME1 fans tend to post a lot.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:33
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BatmanPWNS wrote...
DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
From a gaming politics point of view, Mass Effect 3 will be this year's Skyrim of RPGs. That means regardless of how well the game holds up over a couple months, the majority of reviews will be in the first week or two and will most likely garner 95-100. The only way Mass Effect 3 will get less is if it drops the ball on any of the features (making something not as good as previous installments) which doesn't seem to be the case. Also if they drop the ball on the story they could get less than a 95-100 average.
Dropping the ball on the story in the critic world isn't the same as BSN (no ones going to pick at a sentence of one scene for 3 pages of a review if they even notice an error). Not to mention the game seems to be full of some jaw dropping scenes which can make up a for less than stellar storytelling. Case in point the dragons in Skyrim. Basically if reviewers loved ME2 over ME1, they will love ME3 over ME2/ME1.
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
*Raise hand*
+1
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:33
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Probably 92-93ish. The big drop is almost certainly going to be from the multiplayer.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:35
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DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
user meta score 70s
Critic 90s
Why do you figure the ME3 user score will be so much lower than ME2's?
Edit: note that ME2 had a higher user score than ME1 even on PC -- where the shoddy interface justifiably got the game knocked down a few points.
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Critic score will be 94.
Pros:
- Great story that caps off the trilogy well.
- Actions taken in the previous games have a real effect in ME3.
- Visceral combat that rivals Gears of War and other TPSs.
- More RPG elements than ME2, and better-refined RPG mechanics than ME1.
- Huge, beautiful vistas and hubs offer some nice opportunities for exploration.
- Co-op is smooth and fun.
- Characters feel present and real due to large amounts of squadmate banter and ambient chatter.
- Music and sound is some of the best in the industry.
Cons:
- Some parts of the main story feel unrefined and rushed.
- So-called consequences of many of your previous actions feel superficial and weightless.
- Enemy and squad AI is, like the previous games, substandard and detrimental to the combat.
- Not as many dialogue options as in previous games; more squadmate banter and variable outcomes of choices come at the cost of dialogue options for Shepard.
- ME3's co-op mode is much the same as other wave-based survival modes in the industry, but the matchmaking system in place is unsophisticated and clunky.
MY personal prediction for Mass Effect 3 is that it will be hailed as an ambitious marriage of the two previous games in the series that succeeds in accomplishing what Bioware set out to do in the first place. Very well, in fact.
At the same time, its flaws keep it from being a pure improvement over ME1 and 2, and tradeoffs in the amount of player control make it less than it could have been. In the end, though, ME3 is such an ambitious undertaking (and such a huge achievement) that it's hard to focus on its flaws for long. One of the best games of 2012, and caps off one of the greatest gaming series of this generation.
Pros:
- Great story that caps off the trilogy well.
- Actions taken in the previous games have a real effect in ME3.
- Visceral combat that rivals Gears of War and other TPSs.
- More RPG elements than ME2, and better-refined RPG mechanics than ME1.
- Huge, beautiful vistas and hubs offer some nice opportunities for exploration.
- Co-op is smooth and fun.
- Characters feel present and real due to large amounts of squadmate banter and ambient chatter.
- Music and sound is some of the best in the industry.
Cons:
- Some parts of the main story feel unrefined and rushed.
- So-called consequences of many of your previous actions feel superficial and weightless.
- Enemy and squad AI is, like the previous games, substandard and detrimental to the combat.
- Not as many dialogue options as in previous games; more squadmate banter and variable outcomes of choices come at the cost of dialogue options for Shepard.
- ME3's co-op mode is much the same as other wave-based survival modes in the industry, but the matchmaking system in place is unsophisticated and clunky.
MY personal prediction for Mass Effect 3 is that it will be hailed as an ambitious marriage of the two previous games in the series that succeeds in accomplishing what Bioware set out to do in the first place. Very well, in fact.
At the same time, its flaws keep it from being a pure improvement over ME1 and 2, and tradeoffs in the amount of player control make it less than it could have been. In the end, though, ME3 is such an ambitious undertaking (and such a huge achievement) that it's hard to focus on its flaws for long. One of the best games of 2012, and caps off one of the greatest gaming series of this generation.
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Aaleel wrote...
People are being WAY TOO generous with the user score. I expect it to be around 4.5 to 5 on those opening days.
The game has to do incredibly bad for that to happen, I can see many people rating it a 0 because of Origin on PC but console versions will probably get 8+ user score just like the second game.
And I also agree with everything someguy said. If you judge the game simply by looking at BSN you'd think that ME2 was a very polarizing game that in the end didn't come anywhere near ME1, when the truth is that both critics and gamers see it as one of the best games of this generation.
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Posté 22 janvier 2012 - 07:38
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BatmanPWNS wrote...
DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....
*Raise hand*
Seconded. ME1 just seems boring in comparison. Its still really good, especially Noveria, Virmire, and the final mission. But those are the only parts where I'm glued to the game. With ME2, its not the case, the entire game I'm glued. I'm hoping ME3 glues me with gorilla glue.
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meeho wrote...
official critic reviews are useless because the scores are artificially high to stay in the favor of EA, so that they send them games for early review. or to get them to pay for ads on their website. or to just pay them. i do know that quality has nothing to do with having a high "official critic" score, but the dev/publisher does
They are what they are. You can choose to ignore them (which I do myself because I like judging games for myself), but no one should pretending that ME3 is going to score lower than ME2 unless there's some big disappointment, just to placate bias against EA/Bioware/DA2. From all the information released so far that chance is fairly small save for plot advancement and dialogue (which we haven't seen much of most likely because of spoilers).
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Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
Critic score will be 94.
Pros:
- Great story that caps off the trilogy well.
- Actions taken in the previous games have a real effect in ME3.
- Visceral combat that rivals Gears of War and other TPSs.
- More RPG elements than ME2, and better-refined RPG mechanics than ME1.
- Huge, beautiful vistas and hubs offer some nice opportunities for exploration.
- Co-op is smooth and fun.
- Characters feel present and real due to large amounts of squadmate banter and ambient chatter.
- Music and sound is some of the best in the industry.
Cons:
- Some parts of the main story feel unrefined and rushed.
- So-called consequences of many of your previous actions feel superficial and weightless.
- Enemy and squad AI is, like the previous games, substandard and detrimental to the combat.
- Not as many dialogue options as in previous games; more squadmate banter and variable outcomes of choices come at the cost of dialogue options for Shepard.
- ME3's co-op mode is much the same as other wave-based survival modes in the industry, but the matchmaking system in place is unsophisticated and clunky.
MY personal prediction for Mass Effect 3 is that it will be hailed as an ambitious marriage of the two previous games in the series that succeeds in accomplishing what Bioware set out to do in the first place. Very well, in fact.
At the same time, its flaws keep it from being a pure improvement over ME1 and 2, and tradeoffs in the amount of player control make it less than it could have been. In the end, though, ME3 is such an ambitious undertaking (and such a huge achievement) that it's hard to focus on its flaws for long. One of the best games of 2012, and caps off one of the greatest gaming series of this generation.
Maybe you should play the game first?
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