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[TwistedComplex]

70/100 unpaid
94/100 paid

[LTiberious]

97

[someguy1231]

I love how some gamers think any game receiving a score above a 9.0 could only be the result of bribery.<_<

Modifié par someguy1231, 22 janvier 2012 - 07:59 .

[Aaleel]

someguy1231 wrote...

I love how some gamers think any game receiving a score above a 9.0 could only be the result of bribery.<_<

"Bottom Line: A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be."

There are conspiracy theorists, and then there are people who saw this type of stuff.

Modifié par Aaleel, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[slimgrin]

It's not bribery, it's business 'favors', and it does exist.

[TwistedComplex]

someguy1231 wrote...

I love how some gamers think any game receiving a score above a 9.0 could only be the result of bribery.<_<

http://n4g.com/news/...g-of-the-decade 

I KNOW RIGHT! LOLOL XDXDXDXD

[squee365]

slimgrin wrote...

It's not bribery, it's business 'favors', and it does exist.

How come I end up agreeing with a lot of points made by some "professional" reviews then? o.O Am I doing a "business favor" without knowing and if so where's my money?

[fatalfeline]

squee365 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

But who honestly liked ME2 more than ME1....

*Raise hand*

Seconded. ME1 just seems boring in comparison. Its still really good, especially Noveria, Virmire, and the final mission. But those are the only parts where I'm glued to the game. With ME2, its not the case, the entire game I'm glued. I'm hoping ME3 glues me with gorilla glue. 

This.

[TwistedComplex]

squee365 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

It's not bribery, it's business 'favors', and it does exist.

How come I end up agreeing with a lot of points made by some "professional" reviews then? o.O Am I doing a "business favor" without knowing and if so where's my money?

Here's some excerpts from eurogamers SWTOR review 

"
 It's a painstaking note-for-note copy of WOW's design and features, with a few additions and ever fewer changes. "

"
It's incongruous and clumsy, but not entirely unsuccessful. "

"
Unfortunately, the sheer volume of content BioWare has had to produce to tell these eight stories takes its toll, along with the studio's mechanical approach to human interaction. The writing is flat, the staging and animation of the lengthy conversations is very basic and the subject matter is often dry, adult, cynical or plain boring "

"
The game's light side/dark side morality is reductive and poorly handled, too "

"
Beyond that, the combination of this inflexible moral code with MMO mechanics and BioWare's arid house style has (accidentally, I assume) produced a chillingly bleak and empty vision of human nature. "

"
Meanwhile, the way this teen-rated game drops a few mild double entendres[/i] before fading to black in its hilariously wooden "romance" scenes can't disguise the fact that it treats sex as a sordid transaction. "


That's a review i agree with. But guess what. THEY GAVE IT AN 8/10

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:15 .

[someguy1231]

Again, it's all subjective. I know people who aren't professional reviewers and aren't affiliated with Bioware/EA at all and still loved DA2. Remember what I said earlier: "If the score is too high, gamers will claim reviewers were bribed". Of course I know it exists. It exists in the entire reviewing profession. This isn't unique to video games by any means. But too many gamers reflexively claim any score they think is too high is the result of bribery or other pressures, when maybe, just maybe, the reviewer *GASP!* has different tastes and expectations than you!

[AlanC9]

So they mentioned some bad stuff in an 8/10 review? What's the point, TwistedComplex?

[csfteeeer]

Critic: 90 something.

User(consoles): 8.5+
User(PC): Less than 7 because of the Origin BullSh*t

[TwistedComplex]

someguy1231 wrote...

Again, it's all subjective. I know people who aren't professional reviewers and aren't affiliated with Bioware/EA at all and still loved DA2. Remember what I said earlier: "If the score is too high, gamers will claim reviewers were bribed". Of course I know it exists. It exists in the entire reviewing profession. This isn't unique to video games by any means. But too many gamers reflexively claim any score they think is too high is the result of bribery or other pressures, when maybe, just maybe, the reviewer *GASP!* has different tastes and expectations than you!

It isn't a game reviewers job to tell people who much fun THEY had, it's their job to report on the games features and functionality.

Any game is "fun" under the right conditions.

Even superman 64 is fun when youre playing it with 5 drunk friends. Doesn't mean the game doesn't fails miserably 

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:22 .

[AlanC9]

TwistedComplex wrote...

It isn't a game reviewers job to tell people who much fun THEY had, it's their job to report on the games features and functionality.

Really? Why would I want to read such a review? It wouldn't be telling me the most important thing about hte game.

Edit: unless by "functionality" you mean how well the feature actually plays, as oppose to whether or not it's buggy.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:27 .

[Balek-Vriege]

TwistedComplex wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Again, it's all subjective. I know people who aren't professional reviewers and aren't affiliated with Bioware/EA at all and still loved DA2. Remember what I said earlier: "If the score is too high, gamers will claim reviewers were bribed". Of course I know it exists. It exists in the entire reviewing profession. This isn't unique to video games by any means. But too many gamers reflexively claim any score they think is too high is the result of bribery or other pressures, when maybe, just maybe, the reviewer *GASP!* has different tastes and expectations than you!

It isn't a game reviewers job to tell people who much fun THEY had, it's their job to report on the games features and functionality.

Any game is "fun" under the right conditions.

Even superman 64 is fun when youre playing it with 5 drunk friends. Doesn't mean the game doesn't fails miserably 

Having fun playing a game and relaying that info on and reporting on features/fuctionality are not mutally exclusive things.  Actually I would say having fun is a major part of what a game is all about (and why some get great scores even without state of the art advancements).  This is gaming remember.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:26 .

[csfteeeer]

Balek-Vriege wrote...


Having fun playing a game and relaying that info on and reporting on features/fuctionality are not mutally exclusive things.  Actually I would say having fun is a major part of what a game is all about (and why some get great scores even without state of the art advancements).  This is gaming remember.

Yes but fun is Subjective.

a Reviewers job is talk about the Objective things and say what he/she thought.

[AlanC9]

csfteeeer wrote...

a Reviewers job is talk about the Objective things and say what he/she thought.

So a subjective opinion about objective things?

[squee365]

Guys
Guys

What if

The game is actually good.

[Aaleel]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Here's some excerpts from eurogamers SWTOR review 

"
 It's a painstaking note-for-note copy of WOW's design and features, with a few additions and ever fewer changes. "

"
It's incongruous and clumsy, but not entirely unsuccessful. "

"
Unfortunately, the sheer volume of content BioWare has had to produce to tell these eight stories takes its toll, along with the studio's mechanical approach to human interaction. The writing is flat, the staging and animation of the lengthy conversations is very basic and the subject matter is often dry, adult, cynical or plain boring "

"
The game's light side/dark side morality is reductive and poorly handled, too "

"
Beyond that, the combination of this inflexible moral code with MMO mechanics and BioWare's arid house style has (accidentally, I assume) produced a chillingly bleak and empty vision of human nature. "

"
Meanwhile, the way this teen-rated game drops a few mild double entendres[/i] before fading to black in its hilariously wooden "romance" scenes can't disguise the fact that it treats sex as a sordid transaction. "


That's a review i agree with. But guess what. THEY GAVE IT AN 8/10

This is the problem I have with professional reviews.  The scale may be from 1-100, but for AAA releases from big companies it's basically 75-100.  So 80 is almost an average game, 90 is good/great and anything 95/96 or up is outstanding.

I mean honestly if I saw a big name title get 70 I'd assume it was trash, when that should be the score for an average/decent game.

[Balek-Vriege]

csfteeeer wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...


Having fun playing a game and relaying that info on and reporting on features/fuctionality are not mutally exclusive things.  Actually I would say having fun is a major part of what a game is all about (and why some get great scores even without state of the art advancements).  This is gaming remember.

Yes but fun is Subjective.

a Reviewers job is talk about the Objective things and say what he/she thought.

Heh yes but if you want, read or look at any review about anything.  Half of it is what the reviewer felt at the time.  Doesn't matter if it's a book, game or a movie, they're going to give their opinion about the work.  Critics are not magically objective wizards and never were, that's why they're critics.  Reviews by their very nature are opinion pieces.

Now a journalist on the other hand "reporting" on a story is supposed to adhere to the five Ws (Who, What, When, Where, Why and... How?).  Completely different than a review (previews are more like this).

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[Mister Mida]

Rating a piece of media/art with a number is outdated.

[Ghost-621]

77. I expect to see a few "Mass Effect 3 is not what Mass Effect originally set out to be," and I will be laughing hysterically, because they will be right, and nobody will have listened.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 22 janvier 2012 - 08:50 .

[No Snakes Alive]

94-98, most likely a 96 or 97. Depends a lot on the mp.

[Balek-Vriege]

Ghost-621 wrote...

77. I expect to see a few "Mass Effect 3 is not what Mass Effect originally set out to be," and I will be laughing hysterically, because they will be right, and nobody will have listened.

It's not that people don't listen, it's just we don't assume something to be the case before we give it a fair shake.  Being right isn't the be all to end all in life.  If there's a disappointment I will wait until I see evidence of it or actually experience disappointment.

[Funkcase]

97

I think it'll get slightly higher than Mass effect 2 due to better combat, better RPG mechanics, hopefully a better story and it's longer. I think it'll lose points on multiplayer and on some past decisions not having any real effect on the game.