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[Adanu]

MartinDN wrote...

 So im playing my last playthrough now of me1 to 2 before 3 is released as pure renegade...its so difficult, ive just done noveria and my god killing the queen was SO sad, i had to skip some of that dialogue, i mean sure its only a game but i just dont know how i can finish this.

I was enjoying playing renegade up to this point, how do you deal with this ?

People suiffer. Life has pain. Sometimes you need to inflict suffering to spare a lot more later on. Being too trusting is just as bad as blindly executing everyone. The stakes ar life as we know it. One life in exchange for galactic peace is a small price in the long run.

It's that sort of thinking that is the only reason the Federation survived the Dominion War in Star Trek.

[Labrev]

Wrong place to ask. Many here call themselves renegade because they choose from the bottom half of the 'wheel. But when faced with the most trivial of consequence, they fall apart like a house of cards.

So don't make the mistake they did. If it's too hard to play, then it's not for you.

[KotorEffect3]

Volus Warlord wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

The real question is, how do people go through multiple playthroughs and still make the same choices as always?

I did one Paragon playthrough. I never played Paragon again. 

It made me hate... the world...

Ok I will bite, what do you hate about playing paragon so much?

[DayusMakhina]

I would seriously love to meet you people in the real world who feel bad about making Renegade choices in a game. Walking over nice people is just oh so easy to do.

[Seboist]

MartinDN wrote...

 So im playing my last playthrough now of me1 to 2 before 3 is released as pure renegade...its so difficult, ive just done noveria and my god killing the queen was SO sad, i had to skip some of that dialogue, i mean sure its only a game but i just dont know how i can finish this.

I was enjoying playing renegade up to this point, how do you deal with this ?

You're honoring the memory of all those fallen Krogan heroes who died in the millions to stop the Rachni threat by preventing them from returning. You should be proud of yourself for it.

[GodWood]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Rationalize your actions and think of how much better your choices will be for everyone in the long run (assuming you don't metagame)

Your choices generaly aren't better for non-humans

A common misconception. None of the major renegade decisions are strictly about 'human advancement'.

I suppose the intent expressed by Shepard when you choose to "let the Council die" instead of "Focus on Sovereign" could be seen as human centric but regardless you are saving the galaxy instead of risking it (like in the paragon decision)

Besides, as shown in Thane's loyalty mission, if humans wish to dominate they need to appeal to the 'lesser species' and give them more power then what they have now. So, in the long run, human dominance is in the interests of more races then the current system which only benefits 3.

[KotorEffect3]

Adanu wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

 So im playing my last playthrough now of me1 to 2 before 3 is released as pure renegade...its so difficult, ive just done noveria and my god killing the queen was SO sad, i had to skip some of that dialogue, i mean sure its only a game but i just dont know how i can finish this.

I was enjoying playing renegade up to this point, how do you deal with this ?

People suiffer. Life has pain. Sometimes you need to inflict suffering to spare a lot more later on. Being too trusting is just as bad as blindly executing everyone. The stakes ar life as we know it. One life in exchange for galactic peace is a small price in the long run.

It's that sort of thinking that is the only reason the Federation survived the Dominion War in Star Trek.

The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.

[GodWood]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
Wrong place to ask. Many here call themselves renegade because they choose from the bottom half of the 'wheel. But when faced with the most trivial of consequence, they fall apart like a house of cards.

So don't make the mistake they did. If it's too hard to play, then it's not for you.

Still misrepresenting the opinions of others and refusing to admit Bioware's clear bias I see.

[Bekkael]

Playing as renegon is fun. It's nice to explore both sides of the coin. If you don't roll different characters with different morality, you miss a lot of content.

[Nette]

firefireblow wrote...

StonedVolus wrote...

Don't worry, once you get to the renegade interrupts, you'll feel all better.

^Punching the reporter is the only renagede inturrpt I can do on any file.

Oh do I love it so.

What? No headbutting the krogan? That one's hilarious!  

[BatmanPWNS]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

 So im playing my last playthrough now of me1 to 2 before 3 is released as pure renegade...its so difficult, ive just done noveria and my god killing the queen was SO sad, i had to skip some of that dialogue, i mean sure its only a game but i just dont know how i can finish this.

I was enjoying playing renegade up to this point, how do you deal with this ?

People suiffer. Life has pain. Sometimes you need to inflict suffering to spare a lot more later on. Being too trusting is just as bad as blindly executing everyone. The stakes ar life as we know it. One life in exchange for galactic peace is a small price in the long run.

It's that sort of thinking that is the only reason the Federation survived the Dominion War in Star Trek.

The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.

I am paragon and I killed the queen because I felt that I couldn't trust her in ME1 and knew that there was a high chance of her attacking in the future. Plus Wrex was there to convince me.

[Nu-Nu]

Yuoaman wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

I can never be a true paragon or renegade, and I could never kill the queen in any of my playthroughs.

Even playing Paragon I have to go Neutral while talking to Mordin about the genophage, the guy just makes too much sense.

I've done all three, but I do prefer the neutral option.

[Labrev]

GodWood wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
Wrong place to ask. Many here call themselves renegade because they choose from the bottom half of the 'wheel. But when faced with the most trivial of consequence, they fall apart like a house of cards.

So don't make the mistake they did. If it's too hard to play, then it's not for you.

Still misrepresenting the opinions of others and refusing to admit Bioware's clear bias I see.

  

[Volus Warlord]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

The real question is, how do people go through multiple playthroughs and still make the same choices as always?

I did one Paragon playthrough. I never played Paragon again. 

It made me hate... the world...

Ok I will bite, what do you hate about playing paragon so much?

The weakness. The chasing of blind, stupid idealism over any rationale at all. The greed of preserving one's conscience as if it is the only important thing in the universe. The inability to follow through on one's word due to any random oppurtunity to be a self-righteous idiot. The spinelessness, the bending over backwards to meet the pathetic whims of others. 

I hated nearly all of paragon.

[MJvasNormandy]

Bekkael wrote...

Playing as renegon is fun. It's nice to explore both sides of the coin. If you don't roll different characters with different morality, you miss a lot of content.

Amen to that.

[mkk316]

I often feel like i have to largely play pure paragon or renegade to get enough points to settle some of the confrontations later on in ME 2, legion/tali, and miranda/jack. Once im at that point I start playing more freely. I hope there isnt a lot of stuff like that in ME 3. I feel like i have to be locked into side or another rather than react appropriately to the situation.

[AgitatedLemon]

Volus Warlord wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

The real question is, how do people go through multiple playthroughs and still make the same choices as always?

I did one Paragon playthrough. I never played Paragon again. 

It made me hate... the world...

Ok I will bite, what do you hate about playing paragon so much?

The weakness. The chasing of blind, stupid idealism over any rationale at all. The greed of preserving one's conscience as if it is the only important thing in the universe. The inability to follow through on one's word due to any random oppurtunity to be a self-righteous idiot. The spinelessness, the bending over backwards to meet the pathetic whims of others. 

I hated nearly all of paragon.

I like how false a lot of this post is.

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Rationalize your actions and think of how much better your choices will be for everyone in the long run (assuming you don't metagame)

Your choices generaly aren't better for non-humans

A common misconception. None of the major renegade decisions are strictly about 'human advancement'.

I suppose the intent expressed by Shepard when you choose to "let the Council die" instead of "Focus on Sovereign" could be seen as human centric but regardless you are saving the galaxy instead of risking it (like in the paragon decision)

Besides, as shown in Thane's loyalty mission, if humans wish to dominate they need to appeal to the 'lesser species' and give them more power then what they have now. So, in the long run, human dominance is in the interests of more races then the current system which only benefits 3.

I aint saying the current system is one I am fond of as the council is basicaly 3 species dictatorship (maybe dicatorship isn't the right term)  but human dominance isn't any better and having one species dominant above all others is just a recipe for disaster as the other races won't be content to being held down forever.  Besides it isn't like we are in any condition to dominate the galaxy.  We still have a smaller economy, industrial base, and military than the other council races and we are get curb stomped in the first half hour of ME 3.  Our species will barely be able to hobble out of ME 3 in one piece.

[Candidate 88766]

GodWood wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
Wrong place to ask. Many here call themselves renegade because they choose from the bottom half of the 'wheel. But when faced with the most trivial of consequence, they fall apart like a house of cards.

So don't make the mistake they did. If it's too hard to play, then it's not for you.

Still misrepresenting the opinions of others and refusing to admit Bioware's clear bias I see.

What bias?

[Doctalen]

I mostly try to be paragon with my squadmates or when I get the option in the field. I almost always do renegade interrupts in the field though. Some of them are hilarious IMO. Like "You're working to hard" or "You talk to much" or the salarian on miranda mission that's like "Holy ****!". I can't bring myself to be a dick to my squad but I will be an **** to TIM and other people trying to kill me and my team.

[firefireblow]

Nette wrote...

firefireblow wrote...

StonedVolus wrote...

Don't worry, once you get to the renegade interrupts, you'll feel all better.

^Punching the reporter is the only renagede inturrpt I can do on any file.

Oh do I love it so.

What? No headbutting the krogan? That one's hilarious!  

My Shep is already soft from being a goody paragon. So why try it.

[Sebbe1337o]

I'm a realist, so I have no problems with it. I have, however, never played as 100% renegade since some renegade choices goes against my morale/point of view. I'm always playing paragade.