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The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.


Yeah, as long as YOU are satisified and can sleep at night then that's fine. Never mind the millions of people who could die because of your choice. Who cares about them? It's all about you and what YOU are comfortable with.

That's the mind of the Paragon, folks.

They think they're selfless but all they can do is think about themselves and satisfy their own bloated ego.

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Just overthink every decision until you can rationalize what Shepard does. Tell him that Shiala and the colonists on Zhu's hope were a biohazard, and Shepard had to sanitize them to stop the Thorian from spreading.

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The only relevant alignment. Because all Shepard's have accumlated both Paragon and Renegade points.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Some of us are frustrated because so far in Mass Effect every Renegade sacrifice has been for nothing and every gamble taken by the Paragon has paid. 

That hasn't happened though.

Saving the Council has done nothing so far.
Saving the Rachni Queen has done nothing so far.
Saving the Genophage data has done nothing so far.
Destroying the Base has done nothing so far.
Rewriting the Geth has done nothing so far.

The only decisions that have had any impact so far have been ones to do with characters - namely whether they live or die - and those aren't affected by morality.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.


Yeah, as long as YOU are satisified and can sleep at night then that's fine. Never mind the millions of people who could die because of your choice. Who cares about them? It's all about you and what YOU are comfortable with.

That's the mind of the Paragon, folks.

They think they're selfless but all they can do is think about themselves and satisfy their own bloated ego.


Are you forgetting the queen's dialogue on purpose?

The rachni are not inherently hostile.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.


Yeah, as long as YOU are satisified and can sleep at night then that's fine. Never mind the millions of people who could die because of your choice. Who cares about them? It's all about you and what YOU are comfortable with.

That's the mind of the Paragon, folks.

They think they're selfless but all they can do is think about themselves and satisfy their own bloated ego.


What if the rachni saves millions of lives if she lives.  Hmmmmmmm

Mind of a renagade folks kill all f the rest.

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I mostly try to be paragon with my squadmates or when I get the option in the field. I almost always do renegade interrupts in the field though. Some of them are hilarious IMO. Like "You're working to hard" or "You talk to much" or the salarian on miranda mission that's like "Holy ****!". I can't bring myself to be a dick to my squad but I will be an **** to TIM and other people trying to kill me and my team.


I like the renegade interupt of the Krogan leader where you set him on fire or where you help out Miranda in her loyalty missions. I think they're one of the few where you actually earn paragon points and renegade points for doing it where as if you didn't you get no points. Could be wrong to the exact interupts, but they're there..

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I was enjoying playing renegade up to this point, how do you deal with this ?


What other Renegades do. Channel the unrequited love from your parents into douchified FURY.

I can't make evil decisions against the innocent. Evil people, though? I have no compunctions.

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Renegade playthroughs are a walk in the park compared to the dark side playthroughs in both KOTOR games...

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Volus Warlord wrote...

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The real question is, how do people go through multiple playthroughs and still make the same choices as always?


I did one Paragon playthrough. I never played Paragon again. 

It made me hate... the world...


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There are decisions that I can go renegade on, and then there are those that I can find no real rationale for.

Like on Mordin's recruitment mission where to save his assistant. You've given your word and even though the assistant is free and clear you kill them. Or the case of Shiala, who was clearly under outside influence, is free, and has helped you get the cipher.

Some of the senseless killing is why I just can't play and game mostly renegade.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

The real question is, how do people go through multiple playthroughs and still make the same choices as always?


I did one Paragon playthrough. I never played Paragon again. 

It made me hate... the world...



Ok I will bite, what do you hate about playing paragon so much?


The weakness. The chasing of blind, stupid idealism over any rationale at all. The greed of preserving one's conscience as if it is the only important thing in the universe. The inability to follow through on one's word due to any random oppurtunity to be a self-righteous idiot. The spinelessness, the bending over backwards to meet the pathetic whims of others. 

I hated nearly all of paragon.




So sticking to your principles is bending over backwards for the whims of others?  Hmm because last I checked killing Vido, handing TIM the CB,  and  keeping David at Project Overlord wer all bending over backward for the whims of others and pretty spineless.  I'd rather tell Zaeed to fall in line, tell Archer I am ending the torture of his own brother, and most satisfyingly tell TIM to stick it.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.


Yeah, as long as YOU are satisified and can sleep at night then that's fine. Never mind the millions of people who could die because of your choice. Who cares about them? It's all about you and what YOU are comfortable with.

That's the mind of the Paragon, folks.

They think they're selfless but all they can do is think about themselves and satisfy their own bloated ego.

That arguement could extend to every species though. The Krogan could end up killing millions - as shown by the Rebellions - so why not destroy them? Humanity could end up killing millions - as shown by human history - so why not destroy humanity?

Every species is a potential risk to every other species. Every species has a history of bloodshed. Thats not a justification for genocide.

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I aint saying the current system is one I am fond of as the council is basicaly 3 species dictatorship (maybe dicatorship isn't the right term)  but human dominance isn't any better and having one species dominant above all others is just a recipe for disaster as the other races won't be content to being held down forever.


This isn't true at all. Clearly you haven't thought about this in any great detail.

Human dominance would be better for the other races because it would always be less severe and less total than the dominance of the old Council.

A human Council will be weaker because it will have a smaller economy and military. It will need to appeal to the other races more than the old Council did. The triumvirate that preceeded it could afford to mostly ignore everyone else because it was a union of the three strongest races. In a human Council galaxy the three biggest competitors to it will be able to give it a run for its money, necessitating negotiation.

It is only the asari, salarians, and turians who will really have any stake in wanting to see the human Council toppled. The "lesser" races will have no reason to want to see it taken down because they haven't lost anything and the weaker human Council is more likely to listen to their needs.

The asari are giving up their military obligations to the galaxy, so don't expect any teeth from them. The turians are starting to lose the support of the volus and colonial independence movements are begining to spring up. Once the volus abandon the Hierarchy it will collapse. The salarians have always been natural allies of the humans won't be hard to win over.

The other races WILL be content to play second fiddle forever because they were content to do just that with the old Council. Even if they weren't there isn't anything they could do. The humans nevere attacked them and a war against humanity would not be worth the cost, even in victory.

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For me it's super easy to be a douche to Shepard's enemies, it's just so hard to do some of the renegade choices against your crew. Beating the crap out of Elias Kelham or letting Sidonis get sniped? Easy. Selling out Tali's dead dad and killing Samara? I can never do it.

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With the exception of the renegade choice in Overlord, I don't find playing renegade to be tough at all. It's not like being 'evil' or something. The 'evil' choices in DAO were much harder to make. The way I saw the rachni choice is that you couldn't trust that the rachni queen would keep her word, and it's better to play safe than risk everyone's safety by turning her loose. Especially because if the rachni did become a threat again, then what was the point of everything the krogan have gone through - being uplifted, then the rebellions, then the genophage?

Besides, I like the idea of trying to help people, but it being tough and a struggle. Paragon always feels to me like being nice and having in good intentions will save the day. I like it when it feels grittier and you have to sacrifice and struggle to get the same happy ending.

@aksoileau, though you can just use the intimidate option and not sell out Tali's dad. Still being a Renegade, just not a completely asstastic one. I certainly agree about Samara. I don't even understand why a Renegade would do that, considering so many of the Renegade choices are about eliminating possible threats, not welcoming them with open arms.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Forsake your boy scout heart. Embrace your inner realist, and a pragmatic view of things.

Then being a Renegade is easy.

I hate playing as Paragon.


Well, I don't -hate- playing Paragon, unless it's the over-the-top, extremely self-righteous, braindead auto-select the top right option that's a caricature anyways (although I meet plenty of people on these forums that seem to think it's a viable way to interact with the world). I'm perfectly fine with roleplaying as one.

That said, this. A million times this. 

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Some of us are frustrated because so far in Mass Effect every Renegade sacrifice has been for nothing and every gamble taken by the Paragon has paid. 


I think the problem is that Bioware didn't have a way to replcace the content after those decisions take place, since characters were removed from the game.  It's much easier to provide content pertaining to the decision if the characters involved are still alive.

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BiO_MaN wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

The real question is, how do people go through multiple playthroughs and still make the same choices as always?


I did one Paragon playthrough. I never played Paragon again. 

It made me hate... the world...


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Neil deGrasse Tyson ftw

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That arguement could extend to every species though. The Krogan could end up killing millions - as shown by the Rebellions - so why not destroy them?


I would if I had the option, but instead I settle for not curing the genophage like a moron. I also don't chastize Mordin for what he did because I know he did the right thing.

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Every species is a potential risk to every other species.


Yes, and that is why you keep your guns ready at all times. That's why you fight to maintain your independence and limit alien influence upon your species. That's why humanity needs to keep expanding and why it needs to maintain a formidable military. It has to stay proactive and never be at the mercy of alien powers.

Paragons would sell us out to the aliens and leave us defenseless.

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I tried with one of my FemSheps...it felt like ****, so I decided to make her more human. It ended Paragade.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The queen herself is innocent.  Rationalize it if you want but at the end of the day that is pretty much murder.  If sparing the queen bites me in the ass in ME 3 then so be it because I will stand by that decision and not whine if the consequences end up being negative.


Yeah, as long as YOU are satisified and can sleep at night then that's fine. Never mind the millions of people who could die because of your choice. Who cares about them? It's all about you and what YOU are comfortable with.

That's the mind of the Paragon, folks.

They think they're selfless but all they can do is think about themselves and satisfy their own bloated ego.



Well if we went by your logic we should just abort everyone period.  Because afterall they might growup to do something bad.  The twisted mind of a pure renegade never ceases to amaze me.

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Really? It's the Paragon posters here who are always using "clever" and "hilarious" reaction images to post in threads. You don't see the Renegade posters doing that nearly as often.

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I personally often disagree with renegade choices, other than sometimes blowing up the Geth and sometimes focusing on Sovereign instead of saving the Council.

However, renegades do get some of the best lines which makes playing a renegade more than worthwhile.