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[BiO]

Paragon vs Renegade debates suck because everyone is insulting everyone and not giving any consideration to the other side's points.

They just say "X is better" because they used it on their first playthrough, and now when they try Y they think it feels off, which in their mind justifies X is better than Y.

Pointless, pointless argument.

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, and that is why you keep your guns ready at all times. That's why you fight to maintain your independence and limit alien influence upon your species. That's why humanity needs to keep expanding and why it needs to maintain a formidable military. It has to stay proactive and never be at the mercy of alien powers.

Paragons would sell us out to the aliens and leave us defenseless.

This interesting creature is showing signs of paranoia.

[Welsh Inferno]

Bekkael wrote...

Playing as renegon is fun. It's nice to explore both sides of the coin. If you don't roll different characters with different morality, you miss a lot of content.

This.

My canonshep is a Paragade but I found playing as a Renegon was the most fun tbh.

[Annihilator27]

Just do It,Let It all go.

[GodWood]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
A common misconception. None of the major renegade decisions are strictly about 'human advancement'.

I suppose the intent expressed by Shepard when you choose to "let the Council die" instead of "Focus on Sovereign" could be seen as human centric but regardless you are saving the galaxy instead of risking it (like in the paragon decision)

Besides, as shown in Thane's loyalty mission, if humans wish to dominate they need to appeal to the 'lesser species' and give them more power then what they have now. So, in the long run, human dominance is in the interests of more races then the current system which only benefits 3.

I aint saying the current system is one I am fond of as the council is basicaly 3 species dictatorship (maybe dicatorship isn't the right term)  but human dominance isn't any better and having one species dominant above all others is just a recipe for disaster as the other races won't be content to being held down forever.

The majority of races have been held down for thousands of years. With a human dominated council the position of the lesser species can only increase meanwhile the others who have elevated themselves above the rest will be brought back down.

Equality for everyone!

Besides it isn't like we are in any condition to dominate the galaxy.  We still have a smaller economy, industrial base, and military than the other council races and we are get curb stomped in the first half hour of ME 3.  Our species will barely be able to hobble out of ME 3 in one piece.

It is fortunate we have a Reaper invasion.

Modifié par GodWood, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:41 .

[ReallyRue]

Candidate 88766 wrote...]

That arguement could extend to every species though. The Krogan could end up killing millions - as shown by the Rebellions - so why not destroy them?

That wouldn't be necessary with the genophage in place. The whole point of it was to find a way to stop the krogan without a) them wiping out everyone else, or them being wiped out themselves.

[Bekkael]

naledgeborn wrote...

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The only relevant alignment. Because all Shepard's have accumlated both Paragon and Renegade points.

Nice. *steals*

[Volus Warlord]

Paragon in a nutshell:
The right thing at the wrong time
Renegade in a nutshell:
The wrong thing at the right time

[Bekkael]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Playing as renegon is fun. It's nice to explore both sides of the coin. If you don't roll different characters with different morality, you miss a lot of content.

This.

My canonshep is a Paragade but I found playing as a Renegon was the most fun tbh.

Same. My renegon has become my favorite Shepard and seems the most real to me.

[Ravensword]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Paragon in a nutshell:
The right thing at the wrong time
Renegade in a nutshell:
The wrong thing at the right time

I'm liking the middle ground better.

Modifié par Ravensword, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:39 .

[GodWood]

BiO_MaN wrote...
Paragon vs Renegade debates suck because everyone is insulting everyone and not giving any consideration to the other side's points.

They just say "X is better" because they used it on their first playthrough, and now when they try Y they think it feels off, which in their mind justifies X is better than Y.

Pointless, pointless argument.

My first playthrough was as a paragon.

Admittedly I was just doing sh*t for the lulz because I thought the consequences would be in this game (not the sequels).

[Luigitornado]

In the past I've tried to make only non-persuasive renegade choices, but it is freaking hard, man.

[Candidate 88766]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...]

That arguement could extend to every species though. The Krogan could end up killing millions - as shown by the Rebellions - so why not destroy them?

I would if I had the option, but instead I settle for not curing the genophage like a moron. I also don't chastize Mordin for what he did because I know he did the right thing.

Some of the paragon dialogue is unbearable in that mission.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Every species is a potential risk to every other species.

Yes, and that is why you keep your guns ready at all times. That's why you fight to maintain your independence and limit alien influence upon your species. That's why humanity needs to keep expanding and why it needs to maintain a formidable military. It has to stay proactive and never be at the mercy of alien powers.

Paragons would sell us out to the aliens and leave us defenseless.

No paragon decision ever weakens humanity, with the exception of a few lost ships at the Citadel, which is made up for by the newfound trust for humanity other species may now have given that sacrifice - they will be far more willing to help out humanity.

It is not enough for humanity alone to be strong - you can't change the fact that the Asari, Turians and Salarians are more powerful than humanity so you might as well ally with them.

[Welsh Inferno]

Full Renegade is just as stupid as going full Paragon IMO.

Don't just pick your favourite colour on the wheel.

[twisty77]

I used to be the same way. When I played my first pure Renegade, it was so hard and I felt like a huge dick. Now, after a few Renegade playthroughs, I can't play as a straight Paragon anymore. Sounds like such a weenie... I play a mean Paragade, though.

[snowfox522]

The honer is found in the end not the means, this will be forgotten.

[mkk316]

i will say this for mass effect, it's provided a fascinating look into the psyches of players with different play styles.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Well if we went by your logic we should just abort everyone period.  Because afterall they might growup to do something bad.  The twisted mind of a pure renegade never ceases to amaze me.

Twisted mind? There is nothing twisted about what I said. YOU are the one who is twisted. You are twisting my stance and my words, you are taking them to an unreasonable extreme.

I reminded of a discussion I had on the old Bioware boards where I said if a lion was prowling around your village near your children you would be smart to kill it (assuming you couldn't relocate it). Someone there had the "bright idea" that you have to take that statement and carry to an unreasonable extreme where they said I should hunt down and kill every lion on Earth.

Kill all the lions.

I am not advocating an extreme here.

We play it safe with strangers by having locks on our doors and not giving out or social security numbers, but we don't kill everyone we meet now do we?

You are now equating the rachni queen with an animal.  Lions are animals who base their actions solely on instinct.  You can't reason with a Lion, you cannot negotiate with a Lion and you can't reach a compromise with a Lion.  If the Lion is a threat than you try to neutralize that threat in an as humane way as possible.  The rachni queen on the other hand is an intelligent creature capable of reason as is shown when she is speaking with you through the asari.  So comparing an alien to an animal fails hard.

[Doctalen]

Lies. If a meerkat and a warthog can negotiate with a lion then I can