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[GodWood]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Well if we went by your logic we should just abort everyone period. Because afterall they might growup to do something bad. The twisted mind of a pure renegade never ceases to amaze me.

Twisted mind? There is nothing twisted about what I said. YOU are the one who is twisted. You are twisting my stance and my words, you are taking them to an unreasonable extreme.

I reminded of a discussion I had on the old Bioware boards where I said if a lion was prowling around your village near your children you would be smart to kill it (assuming you couldn't relocate it). Someone there had the "bright idea" that you have to take that statement and carry to an unreasonable extreme where they said I should hunt down and kill every lion on Earth.

Kill all the lions.

I am not advocating an extreme here.

We play it safe with strangers by having locks on our doors and not giving out or social security numbers, but we don't kill everyone we meet now do we?

You are now equating the rachni queen with an animal. Lions are animals who base their actions solely on instinct. You can't reason with a Lion, you cannot negotiate with a Lion and you can't reach a compromise with a Lion. If the Lion is a threat than you try to neutralize that threat in an as humane way as possible. The rachni queen on the other hand is an intelligent creature capable of reason as is shown when she is speaking with you through the asari. So comparing an alien to an animal fails hard.

We're all animals.

Modifié par GodWood, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:50 .

[mauro2222]

Saphra Deden wrote...

This sad creature is showing signs of ignorance and naivety.

If you have any understanding of real life politics you'll understand my position better.

However I get the feeling you don't and that you aren't interested.

You know, thinking that the rest of the world hates you and wants to take your way of life sounds pretty paranoic.

Your thinking can be resumed into this.

Lets invade everyone with the justification that they can attack us in the future.

[GodWood]

It's a shame Bioware decided to handle the consequences the way they did.

It could have taught some kids some valuable lessons.

[Apocsapel91]

These paragon v/s renegade arguments are hilarious. It shows how desperate people are for others' approval.

[SolidBeast]

MartinDN wrote...

 So im playing my last playthrough now of me1 to 2 before 3 is released as pure renegade...its so difficult, ive just done noveria and my god killing the queen was SO sad, i had to skip some of that dialogue, i mean sure its only a game but i just dont know how i can finish this.

I was enjoying playing renegade up to this point, how do you deal with this ?

I play renegade but I never kill the queen. Guess that automatically makes me a renegon / paragade / whatever?
As for playing as a pure paragon, I did it once for variety's sake and it felt almost nauseating. I couldn't wait to finish that playthrough. Never again.

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Well if we went by your logic we should just abort everyone period. Because afterall they might growup to do something bad. The twisted mind of a pure renegade never ceases to amaze me.

Twisted mind? There is nothing twisted about what I said. YOU are the one who is twisted. You are twisting my stance and my words, you are taking them to an unreasonable extreme.

I reminded of a discussion I had on the old Bioware boards where I said if a lion was prowling around your village near your children you would be smart to kill it (assuming you couldn't relocate it). Someone there had the "bright idea" that you have to take that statement and carry to an unreasonable extreme where they said I should hunt down and kill every lion on Earth.

Kill all the lions.

I am not advocating an extreme here.

We play it safe with strangers by having locks on our doors and not giving out or social security numbers, but we don't kill everyone we meet now do we?

You are now equating the rachni queen with an animal. Lions are animals who base their actions solely on instinct. You can't reason with a Lion, you cannot negotiate with a Lion and you can't reach a compromise with a Lion. If the Lion is a threat than you try to neutralize that threat in an as humane way as possible. The rachni queen on the other hand is an intelligent creature capable of reason as is shown when she is speaking with you through the asari. So comparing an alien to an animal fails hard.

We're all animals.

Not in the context of this discussion.

[Ravensword]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Paragon in a nutshell:
The right thing at the wrong time
Renegade in a nutshell:
The wrong thing at the right time

I'm liking the middle ground better.

The wrong thing at the wrong time?

The right thing at the right time.

[GrandTurian]

I have no problem playing Renegade playthroughs. I just remember its a video game and thats easy enough for me.

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

It's a shame Bioware decided to handle the consequences the way they did.

It could have taught some kids some valuable lessons.

You won't be knowing the consequences until March 6.

[GodWood]

John Newton wrote...

Apocsapel91 wrote...
These paragon v/s renegade arguments are hilarious. It shows how desperate people are for others' approval.

Your statement carries more Wisdom than it seemingly implies.

I don't think so. Neither side really seems to desire the approval of the other.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You won't be knowing the consequences until March 6.

Oh lord.

Modifié par GodWood, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:59 .

[ReallyRue]

Bekkael wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Playing as renegon is fun. It's nice to explore both sides of the coin. If you don't roll different characters with different morality, you miss a lot of content.

This.

My canonshep is a Paragade but I found playing as a Renegon was the most fun tbh.

Same. My renegon has become my favorite Shepard and seems the most real to me.

Me too. I find paragade, but especially renegon far more interesting playthroughs than pure paragon or renegade. It makes Shepard feel more real. Like just because you're ruthless, doesn't mean you can't push civilians out of the way of a bullet, or be kind when someone's hurting. And just because you're merciful doesn't mean you need to be played for an idiot by the bad guys (like with Elnora).

[Chewin]

John Newton wrote...
Like Revan said "To restrict yourself to an Alliance is foolish play both fields and then you will get the outcome you deserve, be it good or evil."

Revan is dead, baby.

[The Minority]

Chewin3 wrote...

John Newton wrote...
Like Revan said "To restrict yourself to an Alliance is foolish play both fields and then you will get the outcome you deserve, be it good or evil."

Revan is dead, baby.

You obviously don't know anything about TOR.

[GodWood]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
We're all animals

Not in the context of this discussion.

One does not stop being an animal.

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

John Newton wrote...

Apocsapel91 wrote...
These paragon v/s renegade arguments are hilarious. It shows how desperate people are for others' approval.

Your statement carries more Wisdom than it seemingly implies.

I don't think so. Neither side really seems to desire the approval of the other.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You won't be knowing the consequences until March 6.

Oh lord.

You don't.  And don't say "but I read the leak".  The leak doesn't give you context.

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
We're all animals

Not in the context of this discussion.

One does not stop being an animal.

My dog doesn't know right from wrong.  I do.  My dog isn't capable of reason.  I am.  My dog can't be held accountable for his actions.  I can.

[GodWood]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You won't be knowing the consequences until March 6.

Oh lord.

You don't.  And don't say "but I read the leak".  The leak doesn't give you context.

Oh lord.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
My dog doesn't know right from wrong. I do. My dog isn't capable of reason. I am. My dog can't be held accountable for his actions. I can.

And yet you are both animals.

The difference is you have sapience.

Modifié par GodWood, 22 janvier 2012 - 10:07 .

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You won't be knowing the consequences until March 6.

Oh lord.

You don't.  And don't say "but I read the leak".  The leak doesn't give you context.

Oh lord.

Oh and I can't wait to tell TIM to go to hell

[King Minos]

The paragon was waaay too idealistic.

The phrase 'the ends justify the means' works really well with me, and i am tough on the scumbags in the game.

[Chewin]

The Minority wrote...
You obviously don't know anything about TOR.

You assumed I meant literally?

[KotorEffect3]

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You won't be knowing the consequences until March 6.

Oh lord.

You don't.  And don't say "but I read the leak".  The leak doesn't give you context.

Oh lord.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
My dog doesn't know right from wrong. I do. My dog isn't capable of reason. I am. My dog can't be held accountable for his actions. I can.

And yet you are both animals.

The difference is you have sapience.

Now you are just arguing semantics.  My point that the rachni queen can't be compared to a lion still stands.

[Phaedon]

Use the word "metagame" a lot in debates.


That's how you become a true renegade.

[mineralica]

In same way how I "do" paragons - considering Shepard's backstory, motives, and, in the end, taking decisions how Shepard would do that, not like I would.