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[esper]

A pro-templar Hawke would also have to hide from the chantry since it seems juding from Cassandras assumpetions about Hawke before talking to Varric that sometimes after da2 and possible after Asunder too the seekers and perhaps templars (still not sure how those to 'factions' works) that remained loyal to the chantry has come to the conclusion that Hawke came to Kirkwall with the purpose of 'usurping the chantry' or spreading 'subversion' against the chantry. That basiaclly means the chantry thinks Hawke is anti-chantry no matter what. Which means that the rumours about and exalthed march proberly has become stronger and Hawke coudl simply be forced into hiding from that. Remeber templars had abonded the chantry too and Kirkwalls tempals are proberly being held in as a symbol for that.

It was never time-specific in Awakening. I always took the wardens disappeance to mean their calling. Thee epilog slide are rumours after all and the rumours are proberly coming from people not knowing about the calling

[Gervaise]

Just replayed that ending and whilst it says no one knows why he departed, it also says that his tale is not yet complete, which seems a definite big hint that it wasn't his calling that he went on. Mind you, it says that Anders stayed on for several years training the next generation of mage recruits, departed to give at talk at a Circle gathering about the Architect and then returned to be with the wardens thereafter, so I guess the events of Awakening do not necessarily have to tie in with the later stories.

I was also reminded that the Warden founded an order of silver knights who defend Amaranthine and Ferelden, so I wonder if they'll crop up in the future or at least a character who is a member of the order. And of course there is his magical sword that was stolen by the Crows and is reputed to grow in power as it passes from person to person.

[BioFan (Official)]

Gervaise wrote...

Just replayed that ending and whilst it says no one knows why he departed, it also says that his tale is not yet complete, which seems a definite big hint that it wasn't his calling that he went on. Mind you, it says that Anders stayed on for several years training the next generation of mage recruits, departed to give at talk at a Circle gathering about the Architect and then returned to be with the wardens thereafter, so I guess the events of Awakening do not necessarily have to tie in with the later stories.

I was also reminded that the Warden founded an order of silver knights who defend Amaranthine and Ferelden, so I wonder if they'll crop up in the future or at least a character who is a member of the order. And of course there is his magical sword that was stolen by the Crows and is reputed to grow in power as it passes from person to person.

yeah, the Silver order.... i always wondered about them... 

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hawke and the warden went to the dagoba system to train with yoda.

[Deadmac]

Ericander77 wrote...
 At the end of DA2, it is revealed that Hawke is "gone, just like the warden".
What do you think happened to them?

If they are repeating storylines across franchises, BioWare will clone the "SW: TOR's" answer for Reven and Exile.

[esper]

Gervaise wrote...

Just replayed that ending and whilst it says no one knows why he departed, it also says that his tale is not yet complete, which seems a definite big hint that it wasn't his calling that he went on. Mind you, it says that Anders stayed on for several years training the next generation of mage recruits, departed to give at talk at a Circle gathering about the Architect and then returned to be with the wardens thereafter, so I guess the events of Awakening do not necessarily have to tie in with the later stories.

I was also reminded that the Warden founded an order of silver knights who defend Amaranthine and Ferelden, so I wonder if they'll crop up in the future or at least a character who is a member of the order. And of course there is his magical sword that was stolen by the Crows and is reputed to grow in power as it passes from person to person.

Hmm... I don't remember the silver order from my playthrough, mind you I don't remember all the epilog slides and I never found that sword (Then again I only finished awakening once, so it was incomplete). What I remember best ís my warden leaving from Antiva, I didn't get the tale that he tale was not complete just that her and Zevran disappered somewhere in Antiva. Some say they ruled the crows, some that they were plotting to take them down (with what Zevran is doing in da2. It is option 2 that seems to be true), and that woman from the nobles committing suicide because my wardens stomped out her petty uprising before it even begang. But it has already been said that the epilog slides are rumours and thereby not canon. In fact Anders explains how 2 out of his ending slides comes to exsitence. 

That said it still means that they shouldn't touch the heroes because they main characters are player characters and bioware should just keep their paws off, unless it is specifically made clear what it is the characters will do in the future outside of player contol - like romancing Anders and he making it clear that if they stay together they have to continue fighting for mage freedom. There I made a choice for Haawke reaching into the future, she intents to keep it so bioware is allowed to potray that if they want. But I never made a choice for the warden going beyond traveling in da:o, and nothing in da:a, so bioware should just leave the warden alone. I know some people was even unhappy with what the epilog slides in da.a because they force you on a path without asking what you want the warden to do in the future.   

[Wulfram]

It's the Silverite Order, and it only happens if you get Silverite armour for your troops.

(I really hate the name Silverite, it sounds like something that tacky jewellery sold on a shopping channel would be made out of)

[Gervaise]

What happens to the warden at the end of Awakening does indeed depend on what they chose to do at the end of Origjns and who they are with at the end. My first warden was an elf in a relationship with Zevran and they ended up in Antiva (even though my warden had opted to help Alistair at the end of Origins but I suppose sorting out Amaranthine qualified for that). The one I refer to in my post above was a noble who married Anora. After the events of Awakening he initially returned home to Denerim and a heroes welcome - even Anora was said to raise a smile to see him back. So that all fitted with the choices he had made at the end of Origins - then there was the final epilogue screen saying about him leaving and the hint that some part of his story was yet to come. It could not have been connected to Witch Hunt because he never took her offer (he spared Loghain who begged to be allowed to sacrifice himself) and so had no real incentive to go looking for Morrigan. Had we not had the further reference to the warden at the end of DA2 I would not have thought any more of it because to my mind the story of the warden was complete.

However, I can see they could get around some people having sacrificed their warden by saying the warden they were referring to was the replacement from Orlais. The only problem with that is that there is no obvious connection between an Orlesian warden and Hawke unless it has something to do with intelligent darkspawn, which is why it could have something to do with Corypheus since essentially the ending to Legacy could not be changed. merely who was left standing from the wardens and it seems fairly obvious that some aspect of Corypheus survived the encounter with Hawke.

[esper]

With Anora and King Alistar it is the same situation as Anders. You know that you are marriyng a king or a queen, so you know that you take on duties. So a cameo would be tolerable there.
But with Zevran and Leliana it is not all right, that the warden in da:a never was asked. Bioware has no way of knowing if the players warden would automatically go to Antiva and basically abandon the warden for their lover. In da:o you can choose otherwise. And for leliana, the warden can be dalish, dwarf and mage and still have a relationship with Leliana. There is a difference between accepting that Leliana has a strong faith and accepting that she is workign for and organisation that specifcally a mage or and dalish might just see as oppressive. Bioware never asked, would you follow no matter what.

As for Coryphues my Hawke wouldn't bother unless he is activively trying to kill her again. And I cannot see why Corypheus should seek out my warden who actually fits with being in Antiva and tossed her wardens duties away when she has dealt with the talking darkspawn.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

Ericander77 wrote...

steph285 wrote...

esper wrote...

I will honestly be angry with bioware if they do something like Flemeth kidnaps them all. My Hawke and warden simply cannot be in the same room and I have no interest in Marric. Just let them vanish into the sunset and don't force them into a setting they wouldn't be in.
My Hawke is who knows where as long as they stays by their Li, and my Warden in antiva (fix that bug, btw. bioware)
It is plausible that neither wants to be found by a pro-chantry group. Hawke because of the conflict they was a part of and because the chantry seemingly blamed Hawke before talking to Varric so a Hawke on either side would want to be disappear, and the Warden is a warden and thus forced to be neutral and sometimes the easist way to be neutral is to not be found, and if Leliana is the Li for the warden, we can always pretend that she is lying all though she might have moved in a not so lucky way generelly for it to work plausiblely.

I agree with you, no matter what flemeth is hawke and the warden are experienced fighters who just about seen everything and wont be so easy to kidnaps. I always entertained the idea that the warden would have, (if he didn't follow morrigan which my canon didn't) would have been searching for a cure for the taint possible having early stages of the Calling and does not want the LI to know, and/or just doesn't to be a hero anymore and just wants a quite life.

Alistair says they have about 30 years to live before the calling, so our warden has about a good 19-20 years in him/her.  (since DA2 ends 10 years after the blight)

Maybe on average,you never know what can happen. Just find it an interesting scenario which could make a good warden story continue, that all.

Unreleated note: the flemeth scenario idea sounds suspiciously like a certain old trope about wizard or in this case witches actions in media....

Modifié par steph285, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:44 .

[Corker]

Wulfram wrote...

(I really hate the name Silverite, it sounds like something that tacky jewellery sold on a shopping channel would be made out of)

"Look at this, look at this.  This is a genuine synthetic emerald, three carats of... look at that color, isn't it spectacular?  Three carats of genuine synthetic emerald that just sparkle on this silverite band."

"The silverite really sets of the gem to its best advantage, Karen."

"It really does.  Silverite won't tarnish like sterling silver, either, so there's no polishing to worry about.  Just put it on and wow."

"Enchantment!"

"Yes, Sandal, that's right.  Silverite can hold an enchantment, too!  We can custom-press one of four minor runes into the sides of the ring, right there on either side of the stone.  When you call to order, just tell the representative if you want Wrinkle-Free Clothing, Shiny Hair, Tooth Whitening or Minor Protection from Cold runes."

"Protection from Cold, Karen?"

"Well, who wants to wear a bulky cloak over your party clothes?  That rune will keep you warm even if it's snowing out."

"So it's a gorgeous piece of jewelry and it can magically enhance your ensemble?"

"Exactly!  Order now!"

[labargegrrrl]

is it ok to just assume that because both hawke and the warden were in their early 30s that they both decided they were just "getting too old for this sh*t!"?

[Wulfram]

My Warden isn't 30 yet.

[HTTP 404]

labargegrrrl wrote...

is it ok to just assume that because both hawke and the warden were in their early 30s that they both decided they were just "getting too old for this sh*t!"?

early 30s isn't too old!  hell Im almost 30.  am I getting too old? 

[labargegrrrl]

dude, i'm 33 and consider myself too old to play hero outside a game. except when i'm playing hero for my kid. which is another thing that they may have backed out of the heroism game for...depending on their unique scenarios, of course.

[esper]

The short story tells pretty well what happens to Anders if Justice and he is recruited and both stays amongst the wardens.
It has been said lot of times by the devs that the epilog slides are not canon, but simply rumours. In fact Anders is the most canon one since he actually bothers to explain two of them. (Dead and sighted on Isabellas ship).

[BioFan (Official)]

If Alistair becomes king, and female royal warden becomes queen he refers to her as being in denerem in the court "just because she killed an arch demon doesn't mean she scares me", and that is in.... act 2? maybe 3? so this could suggest that Hawke and Warden vanished around the same time.

[Wulfram]

If they didn't vanish at around the same time, Leliana's belief that the events are connected would seem strange.

[ckriley]

Warden and Hawke = Revan and the Exile. Only difference is the Warden can actually die depending on what you decided in the first game.

That puts a damper on playing as the Warden again in any future Dragon Age game. For example, on my very first playthrough of DAO, my Warden sacrificed herself to defeat the archdemon. I played through the game multiple other times and some of my Wardens lived and some of them died. A lot of folks consider their "main" Warden as dead. And suddenly having him or her pop back up again in DA3 or whatever would really upset them.

The only way I think BioWare could pull that off is if they said that Flemeth was able to capture a piece of the Warden in an amulet before he/she either died or disappeared the way Flemeth did to herself.

But even that is weak writing.

[EmperorSahlertz]

If your warden is dead in your import, then he remains dead, and the Warden referenced by Lelianna is the Orlesian Warden-Commander.

[TEWR]

Wulfram wrote...

If they didn't vanish at around the same time, Leliana's belief that the events are connected would seem strange.

If that's indeed the case, then that seems to be a fairly strong indicator -- though obviously not a fact -- that Bioware wants to make Witch Hunt happen around 9:37-9:38 Dragon.

And if that is the case, then that's a retcon of what Witch Hunt told us. Witch Hunt told us it happened 2.5 years after the events of Origins I believe.

Which would mean that it's certain that Bioware can't keep track of its own timeline, as I have suspected a few times in the past.

[Wulfram]

Or the Warden's disappearance has nothing to do with Witch Hunt.

[erilben]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

If your warden is dead in your import, then he remains dead, and the Warden referenced by Lelianna is the Orlesian Warden-Commander.

Going by this comment, that isn't true.

David Gaider wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...
The only thing I didn't enjoy about it was the comment about how "The Warden is missing as well. That can't be coincidence". Uhm... no, because my Warden died.

She didn't say the Warden was missing. She said the Warden was gone.

Not gone in the same way, perhaps, but similarly beyond their reach.

The only connection between Hawke and the Warden is that both of their stories are over, so be ready to play a new protagonist for DA3 .

Modifié par erilben, 27 janvier 2012 - 08:38 .