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[Les_Carver]

Ashii6 wrote...

Also, action figures? I get the dlc thing, everyone does it now, but how many people actually collect action figures?

To
those of you who actually do collect these things, It'd be hilarious if
the code to dl the dlc is on the inside of the packaging, so you'll
have to open it in order to get the codes.

Lol!

izmirtheastarach wrote...

All I imagine is an EA sales rep taking to a mechandising rep, and the merch guy says, hey couldn't we put some free DLC codes in these things? And the sales rep says sure, if you give us this much in licensing fees. Done deal.

The idea the EA is trying to force people to buy some silly chochke is just ridiculous. Why would they care? Are $18 figurines going to be a big part of their revenue this year? If so, they are in some serious trouble.

Indeedio.

[Lunatic LK47]

izmirtheastarach wrote...


You HAVE to buy a toy? It's required? Nope. Not really.

Also, do you have some information that no one else does? That this is exclusive DLC only available through the purchase of these toys? Didn't think so.

Unless your objection is literally that DLC exists at all. In which case I have no sympathy at all. Things cost money. If you want them, buy them. If you don't, don't.

Uh, Mass Effect 2 had that precedence, and it's called Dr. Pepper promotions. Last time I checked, it never got released in a different DLC pack except for the PS3.

[didymos1120]

RiouHotaru wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, that's nothing to do with Bioware.

I don't disagree with you didy, but I'm curious how you come by this conclusion.

Um, because I highly doubt Bioware was telling Gamestop to remove DLC codes from packages, which is what the post I was responding to was talking about.

[izmirtheastarach]

chengthao wrote...

the problem is if this is DLC (and not free hats or etc), the it should already be in-game content not DLC, this is a way to make more money (and yes i kno thats what businesses do), its cheating customers out of their money, $60+ for a game is already a lot of money so we should get our money's worth, right? Like i said what they're doing now can easily lead to pay $60+ for half a game and pay another $10+ if you want the end as DLC

I've never felt cheated because on day one their were some extra weapons or outfits I could buy. Not once.

And if you don't believe that what is in the box is worth $60, or $90 with tax for the CE where I am, then don't buy that either. What is in the final build is the only thing you are paying for. That has always been the case.

[Boiny Bunny]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I disagree.  Day 1 DLC could easily be in the game if DLC itself didn't exist - they would just work on the game an extra few weeks and then release it.

I don't think this is how it works.

In a world where DLC doesn't exist (i.e. 10 years ago) - they put everything into the game that was intended for the game, then released it.  Then, as soon as it went gold, they started development of either an expansion set, a sequel, or another completely different game.  Instead, nowadays, as soon as the game goes gold, they move onto the day one DLC, some of which has typically already been developed and included on the disc.

No, they didn't. Cut content has always existed, in every medium. It was not invented by DLC.

Yes of course - cut content that was deemed rubbish and not fit to include in the game, or content that was planned at an early stage and some development done on, but for one reason or another, didn't really fit with the game as development went on.

That's quite different from content that exists almost entirely on the disc, and simply requires one small file to 'unlock' it and allow it to interface with the rest of the game properly, and had been planned in this manner from up to a year or more before the game's release date.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 23 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Uh, Mass Effect 2 had that precedence, and it's called Dr. Pepper promotions. Last time I checked, it never got released in a different DLC pack except for the PS3.

That DLC was FREE. I got all three codes by following simple instructions. No one required me to pay a cent for it.

[android654]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

chengthao wrote...

the problem is if this is DLC (and not free hats or etc), the it should already be in-game content not DLC, this is a way to make more money (and yes i kno thats what businesses do), its cheating customers out of their money, $60+ for a game is already a lot of money so we should get our money's worth, right? Like i said what they're doing now can easily lead to pay $60+ for half a game and pay another $10+ if you want the end as DLC

I've never felt cheated because on day one their were some extra weapons or outfits I could buy. Not once.

And if you don't believe that what is in the box is worth $60, or $90 with tax for the CE where I am, then don't buy that either. What is in the final build is the only thing you are paying for. That has always been the case.

The difference is that they're deliberately making something for the game and holding back and releasing it separately on the same day with other things seems kind of sneaky. I get if they made something a few months down the road then released it as a dlc, I'm cool with that. But its like buying an album only fow them to hold bonus tracks aside and sell it as a separate alum, but you have to buy an ugly shirt you'llnever wear in order to get it.

[AntiChri5]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I disagree.  Day 1 DLC could easily be in the game if DLC itself didn't exist - they would just work on the game an extra few weeks and then release it.

I don't think this is how it works.

In a world where DLC doesn't exist (i.e. 10 years ago) - they put everything into the game that was intended for the game, then released it.  Then, as soon as it went gold, they started development of either an expansion set, a sequel, or another completely different game.  Instead, nowadays, as soon as the game goes gold, they move onto the day one DLC, some of which has typically already been developed and included on the disc.

No, they didn't. Cut content has always existed, in every medium. It was not invented by DLC.

Yes of course - cut content that was deemed rubbish and not fit to include in the game, or content that was planned at an early stage and some development done on, but for one reason or another, didn't really fit with the game as development went on.

That's quite different from content that exists almost entirely on the disc, and simply requires one small file to 'unlock' it and allow it to interface with the rest of the game properly, and had been planned in this manner from up to a year or more before the game's release date.

And content that they simply never had time to finish properly. 

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned Halo: Combat Evolved. The Engineers were on the disc, but never used in the game. That kind of thing happens all the time, and has been happening for decades. Not everything that gets finished gets used, and not everything gets finished.

Have you ever played kotor 2?

[ODST 5723]

android654 wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

android654 wrote...
Yeah, this is pretty f**ked up.

Also, action figures? I get the dlc thing, everyone does it now, but how many people actually collect action figures?

To those of you who actually do collect these things, It'd be hilarious if the code to dl the dlc is on the inside of the packaging, so you'll have to open it in order to get the codes.

Action figures account for between sales of $1.3-1.5 billion dollars annually

Thats... thats a lot of toys. I'm not seeing the logic behind combinning the two, they should just but the dlc up on the respective market places.

It's a reward for people who buy merchandise based on their IP which drives them back to the game.  The guarantee that Big Fish paid for the IP and the DLC likely more than covered the cost of the item packs.

For others, it's a hook to get them on the game more or to keep them in the game longer.

For others, it may get them to buy some figures.

It's linked marketing that points back towards the flagship product.  That's a smart piece of marketing and the cost to Bioware is minimal.

Modifié par ODST 5723, 23 janvier 2012 - 01:27 .

[chengthao]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

chengthao wrote...

the problem is if this is DLC (and not free hats or etc), the it should already be in-game content not DLC, this is a way to make more money (and yes i kno thats what businesses do), its cheating customers out of their money, $60+ for a game is already a lot of money so we should get our money's worth, right? Like i said what they're doing now can easily lead to pay $60+ for half a game and pay another $10+ if you want the end as DLC

I've never felt cheated because on day one their were some extra weapons or outfits I could buy. Not once.

And if you don't believe that what is in the box is worth $60, or $90 with tax for the CE where I am, then don't buy that either. What is in the final build is the only thing you are paying for. That has always been the case.

I'm talking about day 1 DLC (not post-release DLC), why is it left out of the game? How can i not feel cheated out when i have to pay for something that should've been put into the game and yes if this trend continues then i will either stop buying altogether or most likely pirate, this is why piracy is so rampant b/c ppl feel cheated out, if i think it is worth $60+ then yes i will buy it b/c i do believe ppl deserved to be paid for their hard work but poor business practices like this makes me feel cheated out, like i said if this trend continues, don't be surprised to pay $60 for half a game and an extra $10 for the end as DLC, and i don't blame Bioware (or the devs) I blame EA and their executives since they make ALL decisions, they have the final say

[izmirtheastarach]

android654 wrote...

The difference is that they're deliberately making something for the game and holding back and releasing it separately on the same day with other things seems kind of sneaky. I get if they made something a few months down the road then released it as a dlc, I'm cool with that. But its like buying an album only fow them to hold bonus tracks aside and sell it as a separate alum, but you have to buy an ugly shirt you'llnever wear in order to get it.

I totally agree that this is what they are doing. I just don't get why that affects my life. I got the album, which was a product I wanted. I paid a decent price for it on Amazon. I am happy with this transaction.

Now I look at another project, which as you say is an overpriced ugly shirt that comes with some sort of bonus track. Doesn't look like it's worth it to me. If I made this transaction I would feel buyer's remorse. On this you and I agree. So we high five each other for not being suckers, and get on with our day. We got the good product, and left the crappy on on the shelf. Win win.

[Mclouvins]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Have you ever played kotor 2?

And /thread. The sheer amount of cut content in the single best example why no dlc does not equal a "complete" game.

[izmirtheastarach]

chengthao wrote...

I'm talking about day 1 DLC (not post-release DLC), why is it left out of the game? How can i not feel cheated out when i have to pay for something that should've been put into the game and yes if this trend continues then i will either stop buying altogether or most likely pirate, this is why piracy is so rampant b/c ppl feel cheated out, if i think it is worth $60+ then yes i will buy it b/c i do believe ppl deserved to be paid for their hard work but poor business practices like this makes me feel cheated out, like i said if this trend continues, don't be surprised to pay $60 for half a game and an extra $10 for the end as DLC, and i don't blame Bioware (or the devs) I blame EA and their executives since they make ALL decisions, they have the final say

But where that whole argument falls apart for is is right at the beginning. "Should have been put into the game".

Should have been? Why? Because you say so? Because you demand it? Because leaving it out hurts you in some way? No, because they chose to leave it out. And now they choose to try and sell it for money. If it sells well, they will keep doing it. If it doesn't, they won't.

So don't buy it. That's the only message you can send. But the fact that some people see the offering a crappy product as a personal attack just leaves me scratching my head.

[Inquisitor Recon]

But I like guns, I shouldn't have to pay for all of the merchandise out there to build up my virtual arsenal, make it something other than guns and armor.

[izmirtheastarach]

mrsph wrote...

Can't they just put a trading card and some bubblegum in there?

Maybe some collectable stamps.

[Gatt9]

ODST 5723 wrote...

android654 wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...

android654 wrote...
Yeah, this is pretty f**ked up.

Also, action figures? I get the dlc thing, everyone does it now, but how many people actually collect action figures?

To those of you who actually do collect these things, It'd be hilarious if the code to dl the dlc is on the inside of the packaging, so you'll have to open it in order to get the codes.

Action figures account for between sales of $1.3-1.5 billion dollars annually

Thats... thats a lot of toys. I'm not seeing the logic behind combinning the two, they should just but the dlc up on the respective market places.

It's a reward for people who buy merchandise based on their IP which drives them back to the game.  The guarantee that Big Fish paid for the IP and the DLC likely more than covered the cost of the item packs.

For others, it's a hook to get them on the game more or to keep them in the game longer.

For others, it may get them to buy some figures.

It's linked marketing that points back towards the flagship product.  That's a smart piece of marketing and the cost to Bioware is minimal.

Actually,  it's moronic marketing.  People buy video games based largely on value,  which is why those $100+ collectors editions sit on the shelves for months on end,  if not years.  People aren't going to spend $100+ for a video game,  people aren't going to finish the game and then go out and collect all the little chotkes,  and the more finished content that is held back for sale as DLC reduces the perceived value of a game.

You can already see this now.  How many people post that they'll wait for the Gold edition of a game with all the DLC bundled in for $60?  How many of them actually do?  Because by the time that happens,  the game is old.

Marketing only works so long as there's perceived value.  A video game has already been demonstrated to have a value of less than $100,  by virtue of those ultra-expensive collector's editions sitting on shelves.  What the customers are actually reading from all of this is "If you want the whole game,  pay us a heckuva lot more than $60".

It's this kind of mentality that made certain ME3 will be my last game.  The bull that EA pulled with Dead Space 2 and DLC insured I'm done buying EA games. 

I'm not paying $100+ to get the whole game.

[AntiChri5]

Actually, it's moronic marketing. People buy video games based largely on value, which is why those $100+ collectors editions sit on the shelves for months on end, if not years. People aren't going to spend $100+ for a video game,

Utter nonsense. The average new game costs that much here. They have even charged $120 for standard editions of new games, and been rather successful in doing so.

[ODST 5723]

Actually, people do buy CE's. People do buy SWAG.

Considering that you don't even know whether this in-game content is available by another means, your argument doesn't have any legs.

Then again, I'm sure all I have to do is follow the anecdotal evidence of Gatt from now on since you're such a representative example and so utterly correct about everything you say.

[AdmiralCheez]

The sad part here is that I'll probably buy all of it.

BAH FOOD AND RENT WHAT'S THAT

Whoops nevermind just the figures.  I'll pick up Mordin and Legion, but that's it.

NOW WHAT ABOUT THE SET OF FOUR I ALREADY BOUGHT, HUH?

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 23 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[ODST 5723]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The sad part here is that I'll probably buy all of it.

BAH FOOD AND RENT WHAT'S THAT

I can put you up at my place as long as you agree not to fight with my wife.

[100k]

iEscaflowne wrote...

Welcome to modern gaming, where companies rob the masses who are too stupid to realise what's happening.

God I miss the 90s mentality.

Anyways, if the DLC does end up costing this much (which I really doubt) it had better be some EPIC DLC! I'm talking 30+ MP maps, skins, a MP CC, two dozen new guns, trophies, and new modes.

And that's just the MP.

The SP better be getting an additional minimum of 60 hours of game play, a huge expansion of stories, new skins, four or five new characters, new armor and weapons, etc.

Then I'd consider paying.