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[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

And now the great infallible Saphra can read minds!

I've debated and argued with all of you enough to know how dishonest you are.

Nah if Bioware made a realistic game with realistic choices I would still go for the best result. It just doesn't seem to make sense to go renegade out of principle or out of protest if I know that the game will not understand it. ME isn't really a good game to roleplay your own character. You got two paths and you can jump back and forth a couple of times. That's all there is. The game will probably never understand why for example you'd let the Council die. It will probably assume it is because of your hatred towards the Council/aliens.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

By the way, they pretty much rejected the realistic aspects of a sci-fio story when they introduced the element that can increase and lower an object's mass via an electrical current and allow ship to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in a matter of seconds.

No they didn't. You can have an implausible power-source but still have a universe that otherwise behaves realistically. That's my problem with Mass Effect. Accepting fanciful elements that allow you to manipulate mass is one thing. However having people not behave like real people is something else entirely.

Those are two very different things.

How do people not behave like real people?

[AlexXIV]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

By the way, they pretty much rejected the realistic aspects of a sci-fio story when they introduced the element that can increase and lower an object's mass via an electrical current and allow ship to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in a matter of seconds.

No they didn't. You can have an implausible power-source but still have a universe that otherwise behaves realistically. That's my problem with Mass Effect. Accepting fanciful elements that allow you to manipulate mass is one thing. However having people not behave like real people is something else entirely.

Those are two very different things.

How do people not behave like real people?

Pure paragons don't. I play paragon myself and I know it is so. Because nobody in the real world is that idealistic.

[KotorEffect3]

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

And now the great infallible Saphra can read minds!

I've debated and argued with all of you enough to know how dishonest you are.

Nah if Bioware made a realistic game with realistic choices I would still go for the best result. It just doesn't seem to make sense to go renegade out of principle or out of protest if I know that the game will not understand it. ME isn't really a good game to roleplay your own character. You got two paths and you can jump back and forth a couple of times. That's all there is. The game will probably never understand why for example you'd let the Council die. It will probably assume it is because of your hatred towards the Council/aliens.

Actualy the game does let you state your reasoning in the end of you let the council die.  Also you there are two different options on the dialog wheel for letting the counil die.  So actualy it does let you choose your reasoning to an extent though the way the rest of the galaxy interprets your actions won't change though you may get an opportunity to explain them to people in ME 3.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No they didn't. You can have an implausible power-source but still have a universe that otherwise behaves realistically. That's my problem with Mass Effect. Accepting fanciful elements that allow you to manipulate mass is one thing. However having people not behave like real people is something else entirely.

Those are two very different things.

I like when we're accusing aliens of not behaving like humans.

Not to mention that the way the Alliance was introduced and the way humanity in Mass Effect even started exploring the mass relays was as unrealistic as it gets, because this world would never unite under one banner over the course of a few days like that.

[AlexXIV]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

And now the great infallible Saphra can read minds!

I've debated and argued with all of you enough to know how dishonest you are.

Nah if Bioware made a realistic game with realistic choices I would still go for the best result. It just doesn't seem to make sense to go renegade out of principle or out of protest if I know that the game will not understand it. ME isn't really a good game to roleplay your own character. You got two paths and you can jump back and forth a couple of times. That's all there is. The game will probably never understand why for example you'd let the Council die. It will probably assume it is because of your hatred towards the Council/aliens.

Actualy the game does let you state your reasoning in the end of you let the council die.  Also you there are two different options on the dialog wheel for letting the counil die.  So actualy it does let you choose your reasoning to an extent though the way the rest of the galaxy interprets your actions won't change though you may get an opportunity to explain them to people in ME 3.

If the dialogue option is as pointless as choosing the human Councilor then saving the Council will probably treated as 'win' and letting it die as 'fail'. We'll see what they do with it in ME3 but I am not getting my hopes up.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How do people not behave like real people?

Helena Blake becoming a meek and gentle social worker.

Anderson not being punished by the Alliance for betraying them.

The quarians being mostly okay with you bringing a geth onboard.

It gets down to the universe as a whole and how everything always works out for Shepard, particularly if Shepard is a Paragon.

Mass Effect gets more and more contrived with each game.

1.  You had to charm/intimidate that out of her (btw you can get that same result using the renegade/intimidate option) and since she fears going to prison she reexamines her life and changes it.  The mere threat of going to prison is enough to get some people to change their ways in real life.  In fact earthborn Shepard himself is an ex gangmember.  IRL alot of social workers etc... are ex cons, gang members. etc....

2.  Lol cerberus drones crack me up.  How did Anderson betray the alliance?  Cerberus is considered a rogue, criminal organization by the alliance.  He did the right thing in retribution

3.  Are you kidding?  They freak out.

4.  We havn't seen the end result of our choices yet so you can't make that assumption until you play ME 3.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[ParagonForLife]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

By the way, they pretty much rejected the realistic aspects of a sci-fio story when they introduced the element that can increase and lower an object's mass via an electrical current and allow ship to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in a matter of seconds.

No they didn't. You can have an implausible power-source but still have a universe that otherwise behaves realistically. That's my problem with Mass Effect. Accepting fanciful elements that allow you to manipulate mass is one thing. However having people not behave like real people is something else entirely.

Those are two very different things.

um what are you talking about how is reducing weight implausible... Mass can be converted to energy and energy is near weightless....its called the transitive property E=MC2 so if energy=mass then mass=energy 

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You mean all those human-aliens who speak English and are all based on real-life human cultures and characteristics?

Yes, because even if they're based on human cultures, they're still aliens.

ALIENS is the key word.

[KotorEffect3]

AlexXIV wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

And now the great infallible Saphra can read minds!

I've debated and argued with all of you enough to know how dishonest you are.

Nah if Bioware made a realistic game with realistic choices I would still go for the best result. It just doesn't seem to make sense to go renegade out of principle or out of protest if I know that the game will not understand it. ME isn't really a good game to roleplay your own character. You got two paths and you can jump back and forth a couple of times. That's all there is. The game will probably never understand why for example you'd let the Council die. It will probably assume it is because of your hatred towards the Council/aliens.

Actualy the game does let you state your reasoning in the end of you let the council die.  Also you there are two different options on the dialog wheel for letting the counil die.  So actualy it does let you choose your reasoning to an extent though the way the rest of the galaxy interprets your actions won't change though you may get an opportunity to explain them to people in ME 3.

If the dialogue option is as pointless as choosing the human Councilor then saving the Council will probably treated as 'win' and letting it die as 'fail'. We'll see what they do with it in ME3 but I am not getting my hopes up.

Well as for now it is a wait and see thing.  But ME 1 did allow you to make that distinction whether or not  that distinction carries over we will see but as far as ME 1 itself was concerned you did make the distinction.

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How do people not behave like real people?

Helena Blake becoming a meek and gentle social worker.

Anderson not being punished by the Alliance for betraying them.

The quarians being mostly okay with you bringing a geth onboard.

It gets down to the universe as a whole and how everything always works out for Shepard, particularly if Shepard is a Paragon.

Mass Effect gets more and more contrived with each game.

Wait, when did Anderson betray the Alliance?  Helping the Turians attack a group that has made no secret of being an enemy to non-human species, a group that has made no secret of being an enemy of the Alliance, is not a betrayal if that's what you mean.

Helena Blake becoming a social worker didn't make sense, but I got the impression she was doing more than she was telling, didn't you?

Quarians being okay with the geth was just not very well done, I'll agree there.  However, I'm guessing they, meaning Bioware, just didn't want you to be unable to bring whatever battle groups you wanted on a combat mission.  It's a gameplay conceit.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

1.  You had to charm/intimidate that out of her

It's a contrivance. You never told her to give up her criminal ways, you just told her to disband the gang.

It was a life changing moment for her. Apparently.

KotorEffect3 wrote...

2.  Lol cerberus drones crack me up.  How did Anderson betray the alliance?

He gave intel very sensitive to the Alliance to its military and political rival. In the process he undermined the Alliance as a power and potentially leaked secrets by allowing the turians to arrest Alliance citizens and personnel.

I'm sure you don't understand this though because "Cerberus is bad".

Kotoreffect3 wrote...

4.  We havn't seen the end result of our choices yet so you can't make that assumption until you play ME 3.

Yeah, let's hope so.

You are cherrypicking again Saphra,  I explained how it isn't unrealistic for an ex gang member to become a social worker and you ignored it.

No he gave the Turians intel on ceberus and not the alliance.  If anything he helped the alliance to make diplomatic gains with the Turians

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

ALIENS is the key word.

So are the aliens just idiots or what?

Even you know Bioware is capable of bad writing. I mean look at how much attention they focus on Cerberus. You hate that, right? So if you think Bioware can screw up there you don't think they can screw up elsewhere?

You don't think a more pronounced reaction from the quarians over Legion was called for? Or when Legion was on the Citadel or Ilium or Omega?

Legion shouldn't be allowed at any of these places. My guess, fanservice. It doesn't matter to me though because I get Legion late and never take him to these places. Speaking of this, wouldn't that solve your problem as well? I mean just leave him on the Normandy. Or what do you expect? That they start shooting and you get to kill everyone?

[Someone With Mass]

By the way, things works out just fine for the Renegade as well. Seems to get the job done.

[ParagonForLife]

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

ALIENS is the key word.

So are the aliens just idiots or what?

Even you know Bioware is capable of bad writing. I mean look at how much attention they focus on Cerberus. You hate that, right? So if you think Bioware can screw up there you don't think they can screw up elsewhere?

You don't think a more pronounced reaction from the quarians over Legion was called for? Or when Legion was on the Citadel or Ilium or Omega?

Legion shouldn't be allowed at any of these places. My guess, fanservice. It doesn't matter to me though because I get Legion late and never take him to these places. Speaking of this, wouldn't that solve your problem as well? I mean just leave him on the Normandy. Or what do you expect? That they start shooting and you get to kill everyone?

alot of the quarians havent seen a geth and Legion is part of your crew which offers him protection if you paragon Talis trial all you have to say is you trust tali with your life and they accept that and declare her not guilty 

[Heimdall]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You are cherrypicking again Saphra,  I explained how it isn't unrealistic for an ex gang member to become a social worker and you ignored it.

I've noticed Saphra does that a lot.

[KotorEffect3]

[quote]AlexXIV wrote...

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]Someone With Mass wrote...

ALIENS is the key word.

[/quote]

So are the aliens just idiots or what?

Even you know Bioware is capable of bad writing. I mean look at how much attention they focus on Cerberus. You hate that, right? So if you think Bioware can screw up there you don't think they can screw up elsewhere?

You don't think a more pronounced reaction from the quarians over Legion was called for? Or when Legion was on the Citadel or Ilium or Omega?

Ok I will concede a little bit on the legion thing but I don't go to the reaper until I am ready meaning at that point of the story I have no more reason to go to the citadel, Ilium, Omega, or The Migrant Fleet. So it is a non factor for me.

[AlexXIV]

ParagonForLife wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

ALIENS is the key word.

So are the aliens just idiots or what?

Even you know Bioware is capable of bad writing. I mean look at how much attention they focus on Cerberus. You hate that, right? So if you think Bioware can screw up there you don't think they can screw up elsewhere?

You don't think a more pronounced reaction from the quarians over Legion was called for? Or when Legion was on the Citadel or Ilium or Omega?

Legion shouldn't be allowed at any of these places. My guess, fanservice. It doesn't matter to me though because I get Legion late and never take him to these places. Speaking of this, wouldn't that solve your problem as well? I mean just leave him on the Normandy. Or what do you expect? That they start shooting and you get to kill everyone?

alot of the quarians havent seen a geth and Legion is part of your crew which offers him protection if you paragon Talis trial all you have to say is you trust tali with your life and they accept that and declare her not guilty 

You can't bring active Geth to the fleet. Did you miss what the whole trial was about? I doubt they make an exception for Shepard if they wouldn't even make it for Tali or her father.