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[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Council pursues the benefit of all it's members.

Right. Remember that whole Collector thing? That was a "human problem".

Case closed.

Ok I am not excusing the council's attitude in ME 2 but the collectors were hitting colonies that were outisde of alliance and council jursidiction so technicaly the council was right in that it was not their responsibility.

[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Great for them.  They only did that because they knew it was something worse than a few pirates and raiders.

You gotta' love life as an Alliance colonist.

If it is ONLY raiders and slavers attack you then it you aren't worth defending. The only time the cavalry shows up is when mythical aliens bent on harvesting all humans to serve their galaxy leading overlords show up.

They were Terminus colonists. You know dumb ****s who think its a good idea to set up shop outside Alliance, and Council protection.

I swear.. Hades Dog fanatics are getting more, and more irrational by the day.  

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

You know being equal is a possiblity here,

Why should we settle for that? How do we do that anyway?

Do we have to empower the "lesser" races to reach our level or do we lower ourselves down to them? How would we do THAT?

"Our Level". "Lesser Races". What makes you think that humanity is anywhere near above the other species? Ya know the ones who achieved space flight, and colonisation way before the species of hairless chimps known as mankind? 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[TheCreeper]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

You know being equal is a possiblity here,

Why should we settle for that? How do we do that anyway?

Do we have to empower the "lesser" races to reach our level or do we lower ourselves down to them? How would we do THAT?

How are we so superior to the rest of the galaxy when the first contact war was less than a Salarian Lifetime ago? We're the new kids on the block, powerful and expanionist kids, but still kids

[ParagonForLife]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

That's what the Reapers thought too.

I have yet to see a bigger fish than the Reapers.

well if you figure there are 1 billion planets in our galaxy and there are Humans Asari Turians Salarians Krogan Quarian Rachni Geth and a dozen other races and the reapers cycle is every 50k years and lets assume they have been doing this for 50 million years that 1k cycles with an average of lets say 10 races per cycle thats 10k races that have exsisted in our galaxy and if you go by that math then there are 100+ billion galaxies so 100 billionx10k is what 1k trillion races in the universe? so yea highly doubt reapers are the worst thing out there.

Modifié par ParagonForLife, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:08 .

[Eclipse_9990]

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

Human. DOMINANCE. Not right-minded, pragmatic goals such as human security, human safety, human interests, human equality, et bloody cetera. Dominance. THAT'S my issue. Not TIMs "selfish bastardism," not saving the base or destroying it, not your much-maligned Paragade. 

Dominance is practical. Dominance is desirable. Dominance makes security, safety, and interests much easier to achieve. You shouldn't need this explained to you.

Who is safer? Someone who is powerful or someone who is weak?

Who is safer? Someone who is important or someone who is unimportant? You seem to miss the fact that there always is a bigger fish. Trying to dominate will only result in someone rebelling. You know what is safe? Building consensus, yeah like the Geth.

ROFL building consensus.  The real world is ruled by a tiny elite that spreads misinformation.  They seem to be doing quite well for themselves.  Democracy doesn't work

It doesn't work because everyone's having their own democracy and only care about their own. I'd hope at some point we have something of an all-human council. But first we'd have to give everyone the chance to see democracy for what it really is. Not perfect but better than the alternative. Which would be a dictatorship of some sort.

I actually honestly believe a dictatorship would be better than democracy. I'm super serious here.

I suspect you're going to invoke Godwin's law now and I wouldn't eve blame you, but I'm utterly convinced that in a modern society with a few extra laws that function as s save-guard, a dictatorship would work and it would work better than democracy.


This is the only comment I'm going to write aboutt his, since discussing politics on BSN is forbidden. So whatever you're going to reply to this, I'm not gonna reply back publicly. I am willing to have a discussion about this in a PM though.

No. No. You're not getting off that easy. You honestly believe a dictatorship is better than a democracy? Do you have any facts to back this up, or are you talking out of your ass? 

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Ok I am not excusing the council's attitude in ME 2 but the collectors were hitting colonies that were outisde of alliance and council jursidiction so technicaly the council was right in that it was not their responsibility.

Yet they sent a fleet to evict the poor quarians from Ekuna.

Which I agree was a douchey move but evicting the Quarians from a planet is not the same as risking a war with the terminous systems.  But like I said I don't agree with the council in ME 2 but I understand their reasoning.

[AlexXIV]

Luc0s wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

Human. DOMINANCE. Not right-minded, pragmatic goals such as human security, human safety, human interests, human equality, et bloody cetera. Dominance. THAT'S my issue. Not TIMs "selfish bastardism," not saving the base or destroying it, not your much-maligned Paragade. 

Dominance is practical. Dominance is desirable. Dominance makes security, safety, and interests much easier to achieve. You shouldn't need this explained to you.

Who is safer? Someone who is powerful or someone who is weak?

Who is safer? Someone who is important or someone who is unimportant? You seem to miss the fact that there always is a bigger fish. Trying to dominate will only result in someone rebelling. You know what is safe? Building consensus, yeah like the Geth.

ROFL building consensus.  The real world is ruled by a tiny elite that spreads misinformation.  They seem to be doing quite well for themselves.  Democracy doesn't work

It doesn't work because everyone's having their own democracy and only care about their own. I'd hope at some point we have something of an all-human council. But first we'd have to give everyone the chance to see democracy for what it really is. Not perfect but better than the alternative. Which would be a dictatorship of some sort.

I actually honestly believe a dictatorship would be better than democracy. I'm super serious here.

I suspect you're going to invoke Godwin's law now and I wouldn't eve blame you, but I'm utterly convinced that in a modern society with a few extra laws that function as s save-guard, a dictatorship would work and it would work better than democracy.


This is the only comment I'm going to write aboutt his, since discussing politics on BSN is forbidden. So whatever you're going to reply to this, I'm not gonna reply back publicly. I am willing to have a discussion about this in a PM though.

I don't really have much more to say than no. I think checks and balances are important for any civilized society and you can't have it in a dictatorship.

[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

"Our Level". "Lesser Races". What makes you think that humanity is anywhere near above the other species? Ya know the ones who achieved space flight, and colonisation way before the species of hairless chimps known as mankind? 

I used the term "lesser" races because I don't really believe it's true. It is a phrase developed and used by the Council.

When I say bring them up to our level I am refering to their military and economic strength.

I don't see any reason to empower or rivals and competitors.

With the Reaper threat they arent exactly "rivals". During ME3 if you see the other species as enemies, rivals, competetors etc. I seriously doubt things are gonna end well. 

Also in what way exactly are humanity's military, and ecnomy superior? Because frankly I'm not seeing it at all. 

Edit: Horrible horrible typo.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:28 .

[ParagonForLife]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Ok I am not excusing the council's attitude in ME 2 but the collectors were hitting colonies that were outisde of alliance and council jursidiction so technicaly the council was right in that it was not their responsibility.

Yet they sent a fleet to evict the poor quarians from Ekuna.

Which I agree was a douchey move but evicting the Quarians from a planet is not the same as risking a war with the terminous systems.  But like I said I don't agree with the council in ME 2 but I understand their reasoning.

alot of people blame the quarians for the geth and they did settle the planet without asking first not to mention the planet has 4x the gravity on earth so the Elcor are best suited for the planet  

[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Which I agree was a douchey move but evicting the Quarians from a planet is not the same as risking a war with the terminous systems. 

Risking war is exactly what they did. Remember when they wouldn't send a fleet to protect human colonies because just having a fleet there too provocative?

What gives?

They didn't want risk war with the Terminus systems, they're numbers were low because of the Sovereign battle, and they really weren't in any shape to start a huge war with the Batarians. Sending a large fleet in there would have been backwards up the ass dumb. 

[KotorEffect3]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

"Our Level". "Lesser Races". What makes you think that humanity is anywhere near above the other species? Ya know the ones who achieved space flight, and colonisation way before the species of hairless chimps known as mankind? 

I used the term "lesser" races because I don't really believe it's true. It is a phrase developed and used by the Council.

When I say bring them up to our level I am refering to their military and economic strength.

I don't see any reason to empower or rivals and competitors.

With the Reaper threat they arent exactly "rivals". During ME3 if you see the other species as enemies, rivals, competetors etc. I seriously doubt things are gonna end well. 

Also in what way exactly are humanitys military, and ecnomy similiar? Because frankly I'm not seeing it at all. 

Exactly, once the reapers show up winning a pissing match with the turians is not going to be very important it is better that we work with everybody to somehow find a way to beat the reapers and survive the war it is in everyone's best interest to work together stop the reapers.  I would even work with batarians if I had to and I can't stand batarians (though it appears as though they are already toast)

[ParagonForLife]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Which I agree was a douchey move but evicting the Quarians from a planet is not the same as risking a war with the terminous systems. 

Risking war is exactly what they did. Remember when they wouldn't send a fleet to protect human colonies because just having a fleet there too provocative?

What gives?

They didn't want risk war with the Terminus systems, they're numbers were low because of the Sovereign battle, and they really weren't in any shape to start a huge war with the Batarians. Sending a large fleet in there would have been backwards up the ass dumb. 

not to mention that humans colonize worlds very fast and they do so outside council/alliance space so yea it sucks but its impossible to be everywhere at once

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

"Our Level". "Lesser Races". What makes you think that humanity is anywhere near above the other species? Ya know the ones who achieved space flight, and colonisation way before the species of hairless chimps known as mankind? 

I used the term "lesser" races because I don't really believe it's true. It is a phrase developed and used by the Council.

When I say bring them up to our level I am refering to their military and economic strength.

I don't see any reason to empower or rivals and competitors.

Well some races are more developed and some less. Some are more sophisticated, technically advanced, some have higher numbers than others, etc. There are differences. The deal is to consider these things and make them work within galactic community. Different species have different ways of life and therefore different needs. So everyone is going to give and take. You don't have to equalize the whole galaxy. But you can make all species feel equal. I can't tell you how to do it mind you, since I have not enough information of the different races, the conditions they live in, planets they could inhabit, their culture and rules which are acceptable and which are maybe not. We need a construct that doesn't make one species feel like they are the 'losers'. In which they can develop in their own desired way without causing conflicts with other species. I am not saying it is easy. But I think it is possible to do it in a fashion that is favorable to a future of constant war, even if 'only' a cold war between the species.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:22 .

[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

They didn't want risk war with the Terminus systems, they're numbers were low because of the Sovereign battle, and they really weren't in any shape to start a huge war with the Batarians. Sending a large fleet in there would have been backwards up the ass dumb. 

Know what I think? I think it was all BS to begin with.

I saw the Terminus in ME2 and I didn't see anything that was a threat to the Council.

It's just an excuse to saddle humanity with more baggage to slow it down.

So.. You saw the entire terminus system in mass effect 2? So Bioware decided to include every single freakin threat thats included in that VERY LARGE part of the galaxy? 

Also you didn't see anything that was a threat? What about the Geth? What about the mercs? What about the Batarians? Yeah I'd say that they constitute as threats. 

Seriously Saphra. Are you just ignoring facts so you can try, and save face? 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:31 .

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Exactly, once the reapers show up winning a pissing match with the turians is not going to be very important it is better that we work with everybody to somehow find a way to beat the reapers

Good thing you blew up the Collector base.

It is a good thing I blew it up because TIM would screw it up and it could end up back in reaper control anyway.  Now the reapers will have to find a new way to make baby reapers.

[AlexXIV]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Exactly, once the reapers show up winning a pissing match with the turians is not going to be very important it is better that we work with everybody to somehow find a way to beat the reapers

Good thing you blew up the Collector base.

It is a good thing I blew it up because TIM would screw it up and it could end up back in reaper control anyway.  Now the reapers will have to find a new way to make baby reapers.

Tbh I think keeping the base could prove as an asset if in the proper hands. Not sure if Cerberus is the proper hand. Or the Alliance. Or Turians or Salarians. Pretty much boils down to the question who in the world would you trust with the most powerful weapon/tool the world has seen? I don't trust anyone enough for that tbh.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:28 .

[ParagonForLife]

not to mention that Cerberus makes reapers with the Data from the destroyed base so who knows what they whould do with a fully intact base..