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[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...


Thats Illium. Which happens to be in the Terminus systems. Slavery is illegal in Asari space. 

It's an asari dominated world set-up by the asari specifically to elude restrictive Council laws.

Once again the Paragon crowd sickens me with their moral hypocrisy.

Paragade crowd. If you're gonna lable me atleast get it right. Also in what way am I a hypocrite? Do you know what Hypocracy means? 

It means the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

So in what way am I, or what I have said hypocritical? Its been stated that Illium is just a richer Omega? Why should the entire Asari race be held accountable for what one planet does? A planet that isn't even in their jurisdiction might I add. 

Are you even comprehending anything thats being said in this thread? 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:58 .

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I thought at any point that giving the CB to Cerberus is our only chance to win the war then I would give it to them.

The fact is you don't know, but you blew it up anyway.

You had on thread to follow that might lead to something or might lead to nothing. Instead you burnt the thread.

It was a pig-headed thing to do.

Only if I assume that I am the only one who counts. I assumed the Alliance is working on something. Or maybe the Council or the Turians or Salarians. I simply trusted that someone other than Cerberus is working on the reaper problem. Honestly, I always thought it is utter rubbish that no other organisation dealing with information or secrecy does work on the Reaper problem just because Shepard doesn't know of it. Logic dictactes that such organisations wouldn't necessarily trust Shepard enough to involve him/her in their plans. However, giving the base to Cerberus seems knee-jerk to me because my Shep is alliance soldier, Council Spectre and rather trustful of other species in general. It would simply be out of character to give the base to Cerberus. Well it was out of character to even work with Cerberus for my Shep but I had to deal with the fact that I had no choice, so I assume circumstances were that my Shep didn't have a choice either.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Vido Santiago was using the refinery workers as slave labor and Vido Santiago is human so I guess that means all humans practice slavery is that correct Saphra?   because according to your logic that would be the case.

How do you figure that? Very clearly the company in charge of that factory was not happy about it. Remember when they paid Zaeed Massani to liberate the factory from the Blue Suns?

Point.  Missing it

[KotorEffect3]

Luc0s wrote...

*sigh*

You Paragons really made me face-palm several times in the last couple of hours. You really are a bunch of idealistic ignorant hypocrites, aren't ya, Paragons?


At least AlexXIV understands. He might be an idealist, like you. But at least he's not a blind ignorant hypocrite.

I love the way you people throw around the word idealist and naive and not even realize how those terms describe you.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Only if I assume that I am the only one who counts. I assumed the Alliance is working on something. Or maybe the Council or the Turians or Salarians.

Too much is at stake to assume!

Well you assume that Cerberus can be trusted.

[JGray]

Set up by Asari not THE Asari. The Asari aren't some hive mind, where every Asari is guilty because of what one or even one million Asari do. Saying that the Asari as a race are guilty of slavery because it is practiced on Ilium is akin to saying that every human on Earth was guilty of slavery because it was practiced in America.

There seems to be this assumption in these threads that a race = a nation. That isn't the case. Humans and Batarians, for instance, have multiple nations. Not all Asari are citizens of the Asari Republics. Not all human worlds fall under the juristiction of the Alliance. Race does not equal nation.

[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Only if I assume that I am the only one who counts. I assumed the Alliance is working on something. Or maybe the Council or the Turians or Salarians.

Too much is at stake to assume!

Too much at stake to put all you're trust in a terrorist organization run by an arrogant leader with delusions of grandure.


"Cerberus IS humanity!" "Power for Cerberus is power for the human race!". 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:02 .

[KotorEffect3]

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

"They have been called terrorists and for good reason"  Jacob who even works for ceberus when he says that.

[ParagonForLife]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I thought at any point that giving the CB to Cerberus is our only chance to win the war then I would give it to them.

The fact is you don't know, but you blew it up anyway.

You had on thread to follow that might lead to something or might lead to nothing. Instead you burnt the thread.

It was a pig-headed thing to do.

you cant know what your actions will do pig headed thing to do? its far too much power in one persons hands with no regard for human or alien life "If Humanity is to survive sacrifices need to be made for the greater good" so the path humanity takes must be paved with blood and death yes it wont be painless yes people will die but blindly moving forward leaving a path of destruction and death in our wake is not any sort of future anyone wants to be proud of

[Eclipse_9990]

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

....Did you even play Mass Effect 1? Cerberus was a Alliance Black Ops group. Until they broke off with the Alliance, and went rogue. Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

If this isn't enough proof. The CItadel, AND the Alliance have openly declared Cerberus to be a terrorist organization. Source? 
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Cerberus  

Yeah.. Please check your facts next time you try to debate. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[KotorEffect3]

Luc0s wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

"They have been called terrorists and for good reason"  Jacob who even works for ceberus when he says that.

Jacob is an ignorant grunt. He can say what he wants, but that doesn't make it so.

When one of cerberus's own is  calling them terrorists it should raise a few eyebrows.   Most people don't call out their own employer unless they have good reason to.  People can say what they want about Jacob but one thing about him it does appear as though he has a good head on his shoulders so you can't blindly dismiss what he is saying.  Especialy if he is willing to say it about the ones that are signing his paychecks at the time.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:12 .

[OmegaBlue0231]

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

If Delta Force suddenly stopped taking orders from the Army, used several fronts to gather money, then they used that money to attack and experiment on people from other countries all for the sake of furthering the advancement of the US wouldn't that make them terrorist organization?

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

Give me some examples of Cerberus' "terrorist acts".

Acension, assasinating the pope, killing Kohuku, Akuze, and that is just stuff off the top of my head.

[AlexXIV]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well you assume that Cerberus can be trusted.

I don't "assume". I base my stance on my experience with them so far.

More than that though, I don't have a ****ing choice. I'll take the risk that Cerberus ****s up because that offers me more than just riding into battle with the Reapers blind.

Remember Prazza. Remember him? He didn't trust Cerberus, so much so that he ran off ahead into the danger. What happened to him? He ran into a Heavy Mech and didn't have the firepower to take it down. He and his people were killed. Had he instead worked with Cerberus they would have survived.

What you are about to face is much worse than a heavy mech, much, much worse.

Prazza was right to not trust Cerberus. They would have cheated him. His fault was to not trust Shepard. And Tali.

See you think your Shep not only needs to stop the Collectors but also beat the Reapers by giving the base to Cerberus. Which is fine. My Shep thought that beating the Collectors was enough for the moment and that others can also do their part. Not only Shep and Cerberus. Others like the other species and the Alliance. It is TIM's fault that everyone thinks Shep is with Cerberus and the direct consequence is that nobody trusts Shep enough to share their plans. It could be TIM's reasoning you know. He wanted Shepard to be loyal by making Cerberus the only choice. You say you had no choice and that was exactly what TIM wanted you to think. I don't know, maybe it is true. But alone the fact that TIM is forcing you all the time simply makes me distrustful. You could have kept it secret. That you work for Cerberus etc. Maybe then the Council would have been more open about THEIR plans. But it was no option because TIM made sure it isn't an option. Because everyone had to know that Shep is back and working for Cerberus. That's why he doesn't get the base. He is a manipulator and an opportunist. That means he will tell you what you want to hear and do what is best for him.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:18 .

[Heimdall]

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

It was, then it went rogue.  That is what we know, don't try and feed me BS about plausible deniability unless you have some proof to back it up that can't be explained by the moles Cerberus moles we KNOW they have in the alliance.

[Icinix]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

It was, then it went rogue.  That is what we know, don't try and feed me BS about plausible deniability unless you have some proof to back it up that can't be explained by the moles Cerberus moles we KNOW they have in the alliance.

Was it ever really a black ops unit? Or was it more just a group of resistance fighters that found a new enemy after the First Contact War?

There are so many things that don't add up (muddle up in the lore - rather than a mysterious setting) that I don't know if anyone is actually 100% certain of what Cerberus were.