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[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

Give me some examples of Cerberus' "terrorist acts".

Good god.. I never knew such a thick headed person could exist. 

Here are your examples. 

1. Luring Thresher Maws to the colony Akuze almost wiping out my Shepards squad,. Not only that but kidnapping that last squad mate, and performing insane, and brutal experiments on him for years. 

2. Luring a group of marines serving under Admiral Kohaku with a fake distress beacon to a Thresher Maw nest resulting with said marines being whiped out. 

3. Cerberus capturing, and murdering Admiral Kohaku for knowing too much. 

4. Enslaving Thorian Creepers, and Rachni to try, and create an army. 

5. Attacking, and blowing up a Quarian ship for some reason or another.

6. Assasinating the Pope who happened to have "Pro-Alien" leanings.

7. Paying slavers to steal children, and even kidnapping them themselves so they can throw them in biotic death camps. Where they tortured, mudered, and possibly even raped the kids there. 

Plus the fact that I already mentioned that the Citadel, and even the Alliance already labeled, and denounsed them as a terrorist organization? 

OK. There's my proof. Are you happy now? Of course you aren't. Go ahead, and make you're meaningless argument, and I'll get right on disproving it. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:23 .

[KotorEffect3]

jreezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

Give me some examples of Cerberus' "terrorist acts".

killing Kohuku.

How is killing one man a terrorist act? That would mean every murder that's ever been committed was an act of terror and that isn't true.

He is an alliance admiral that was investigating them.  Terrorism isn't always about blowing up buildings it is about sending a message in order to install fear.  And for crying out loud don't quote me out of context.  I listed more examples in that quote.

[AlexXIV]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And again, the "Cerberus = terrorists lolololol" card is played...

*sigh*


How many times do we need to explain that Cerberus ISN'T a terrorist organisation? It's an Alliance black ops organisation.

It was, then it went rogue.  That is what we know, don't try and feed me BS about plausible deniability unless you have some proof to back it up that can't be explained by the moles Cerberus moles we KNOW they have in the alliance.

Well I think proper thing to say would be it is black ops, period. Because allience black ops would only be right if they were officially with the alliance, which they are not. Officially they are an enemy to the alliance. They are funded out of the alliance, means the money givers are humans. And they have infiltrated the Alliance obviously. They are not really rogue because they never belonged to the alliance, aka they never got orders from the alliance military or government. They are TIM's baby alone. Well and of his sponsors or whatever. That's how I understood it anyway.

[Heimdall]

jreezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

Give me some examples of Cerberus' "terrorist acts".

killing Kohuku.

How is killing one man a terrorist act? That would mean every murder that's ever been committed was an act of terror and that isn't true.

Killing an admiral could at least beconsidered an act of war

[Gold Dragon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't "assume". I base my stance on my experience with them so far.

More than that though, I don't have a ****ing choice. I'll take the risk that Cerberus ****s up because that offers me more than just riding into battle with the Reapers blind.

Remember Prazza. Remember him? He didn't trust Cerberus, so much so that he ran off ahead into the danger. What happened to him? He ran into a Heavy Mech and didn't have the firepower to take it down. He and his people were killed. Had he instead worked with Cerberus they would have survived.

What you are about to face is much worse than a heavy mech, much, much worse.

Prazza was an idiot.  Dealt with the galaxy on a Black & White basis, and let fear rule his good sense (assuming that he had any to begin with).

Shepard, and the Player behind him/her, are much stronger than a squad of Quarians armes with very short ranged shotguns.   Well,   most of the time.

[Volus Warlord]

Are we still arguing with the xenophilic traitors to their own flesh and blood?

[Heimdall]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

Give me some examples of Cerberus' "terrorist acts".

killing Kohuku.

How is killing one man a terrorist act? That would mean every murder that's ever been committed was an act of terror and that isn't true.

He is an alliance admiral that was investigating them.  Terrorism isn't always about blowing up buildings it is about sending a message in order to install fear.  And for crying out loud don't quote me out of context.  I listed more examples in that quote.

Saphra is an expert at quoting out of context.

[KotorEffect3]

I am pretty sure if one of our generals or admirals were assasinated the United States would consider that an act of terrorism or at least an act of war.

[ParagonForLife]

your forgetting they also destroyed Cargo ships full of Element Zero over planets to cause human infants and newborns to gain biotic powers causing many to die killed the leader of the Terra Firma party to get someone with more radical ideas incharge kidnapped a baby used monsters he created with reaper tech free to gain control over omega killing his own personel and many others on omega he broke a Xenophobic Ex Marine out of jail to hunt down sheppard

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Here are your examples. 

1. Luring Thresher Maws to the colony Akuze almost wiping out my Shepards squad,. Not only that but kidnapping that last squad mate, and performing insane, and brutal experiments on him for years. 

2. Luring a group of marines serving under Admiral Kohaku with a fake distress beacon to a Thresher Maw nest resulting with said marines being whiped out. 

3. Cerberus capturing, and murdering Admiral Kohaku for knowing too much. 

4. Enslaving Thorian Creepers, and Rachni to try, and create an army. 

5. Attacking, and blowing up a Quarian ship for some reason or another.

6. Assasinating the Pope who happened to have "Pro-Alien" leanings.

7. Paying slavers to steal children, and outright kidnapping them themselves to throw them in biotic death camps. 

Plus the fact that I already mentioned that the Citadel, and even the Alliance already labeled, and denounsed them as a terrorist organization? 

OK. There's my proof. Are you happy now? Of course you aren't. Go ahead, and make you're meaningless argument, and I'll get right on disproving it. 

None of that is terrorism.

*facepalm several times*

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Acension, assasinating the pope, killing Kohuku, Akuze, and that is just stuff off the top of my head.

That is all criminal activity but none of it is terrorism.

Kids, you really demean the meaning of "terrorism" when you throw the word around like this without understanding it.

What else do you call a paramilitary organization wageing war on multiple states?  I'm aware that Cerberus does not quite meet the requirements of using that term, but it's the closest term we have for what Cerberus is.

[Eclipse_9990]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Here are your examples. 

1. Luring Thresher Maws to the colony Akuze almost wiping out my Shepards squad,. Not only that but kidnapping that last squad mate, and performing insane, and brutal experiments on him for years. 

2. Luring a group of marines serving under Admiral Kohaku with a fake distress beacon to a Thresher Maw nest resulting with said marines being whiped out. 

3. Cerberus capturing, and murdering Admiral Kohaku for knowing too much. 

4. Enslaving Thorian Creepers, and Rachni to try, and create an army. 

5. Attacking, and blowing up a Quarian ship for some reason or another.

6. Assasinating the Pope who happened to have "Pro-Alien" leanings.

7. Paying slavers to steal children, and outright kidnapping them themselves to throw them in biotic death camps. 

Plus the fact that I already mentioned that the Citadel, and even the Alliance already labeled, and denounsed them as a terrorist organization? 

OK. There's my proof. Are you happy now? Of course you aren't. Go ahead, and make you're meaningless argument, and I'll get right on disproving it. 

None of that is terrorism.

I...










None.. Of this is Terrorism? Not one of the things I mentioned is Terrorism to you? I... Wow, and to think Cerberus supporters/"Renegades" claim that the "Paragons" are irrational.


Saph.. Are you playing stupid, or is this just the way you are?

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:27 .

[KotorEffect3]

jreezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Cerberus are terrorists; this is a cold hard fact, with plenty of proof to back it up. 

Give me some examples of Cerberus' "terrorist acts".

killing Kohuku.

How is killing one man a terrorist act? That would mean every murder that's ever been committed was an act of terror and that isn't true.

He is an alliance admiral that was investigating them.  Terrorism isn't always about blowing up buildings it is about sending a message in order to install fear.  And for crying out loud don't quote me out of context.  I listed more examples in that quote.

So? I just picked a specific example that didn't make sense.

You cherrypicked you mean.  And actualy that example does make sense.

[JGray]

[quote]Lord Aesir wrote...

How is killing one man a terrorist act? That would mean every murder that's ever been committed was an act of terror and that isn't true.[/quote]Killing an admiral could at least beconsidered an act of war
[/quote]

Or a crime, at the very least. If a militia in the US murdered a high ranking officer of the US military there'd be quite a few agencies intent on taking them down.

[ParagonForLife]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Here are your examples. 

1. Luring Thresher Maws to the colony Akuze almost wiping out my Shepards squad,. Not only that but kidnapping that last squad mate, and performing insane, and brutal experiments on him for years. 

2. Luring a group of marines serving under Admiral Kohaku with a fake distress beacon to a Thresher Maw nest resulting with said marines being whiped out. 

3. Cerberus capturing, and murdering Admiral Kohaku for knowing too much. 

4. Enslaving Thorian Creepers, and Rachni to try, and create an army. 

5. Attacking, and blowing up a Quarian ship for some reason or another.

6. Assasinating the Pope who happened to have "Pro-Alien" leanings.

7. Paying slavers to steal children, and outright kidnapping them themselves to throw them in biotic death camps. 

Plus the fact that I already mentioned that the Citadel, and even the Alliance already labeled, and denounsed them as a terrorist organization? 

OK. There's my proof. Are you happy now? Of course you aren't. Go ahead, and make you're meaningless argument, and I'll get right on disproving it. 

None of that is terrorism.

okay....one thing to say...what the hell are you smoking....killing the pope....blowing up ships.....ambushing Alliance Soldiers murdering alliance officers none of that is terrorism....okay yea sure google terrorism will you please

[Heimdall]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Here are your examples. 

1. Luring Thresher Maws to the colony Akuze almost wiping out my Shepards squad,. Not only that but kidnapping that last squad mate, and performing insane, and brutal experiments on him for years. 

2. Luring a group of marines serving under Admiral Kohaku with a fake distress beacon to a Thresher Maw nest resulting with said marines being whiped out. 

3. Cerberus capturing, and murdering Admiral Kohaku for knowing too much. 

4. Enslaving Thorian Creepers, and Rachni to try, and create an army. 

5. Attacking, and blowing up a Quarian ship for some reason or another.

6. Assasinating the Pope who happened to have "Pro-Alien" leanings.

7. Paying slavers to steal children, and outright kidnapping them themselves to throw them in biotic death camps. 

Plus the fact that I already mentioned that the Citadel, and even the Alliance already labeled, and denounsed them as a terrorist organization? 

OK. There's my proof. Are you happy now? Of course you aren't. Go ahead, and make you're meaningless argument, and I'll get right on disproving it. 

None of that is terrorism.

*facepalm several times*

Saphra is technically right.  Terrorism requires that Cerberus be trying to incite terror in a population through acts of violence.  I'm prett sure the majority of the population doesn't even know Cerberus exists and they prefer it that way.

[JGray]

Can we agree that Cerberus is a criminal organization, then? It does commit crimes. Often.

[redbaron76]

@ Saphra Deded

What eclipse_9990 said is all prime examples of terrorism, except enslaving thorian creepers as their sentience is in high doubt. Rachni are some what sentient. And Cereberus are terrorists and traitors and danger to every race in galaxy including humans.

[Volus Warlord]

JGray wrote...

Can we agree that Cerberus is a criminal organization, then? It does commit crimes. Often.

Crime is a relative term. The Council and the Alliance are responsible for countless "crimes."