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[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I do.
They suck.

Because you are such a literary expert right?  Or is it because they did not write what you had exactly envisioned in your head and because they didn't bend to your every whim they now suck?

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I do.
They suck.

Because you are such a literary expert right?  Or is it because they did not write what you had exactly envisioned in your head and because they didn't bend to your every whim they now suck?

No, it's becaue they have consistency errors and plot holes a 5-year old could spot and fix in 5 minutes.

[Peer of the Empire]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I do.
They suck.

Because you are such a literary expert right?  Or is it because they did not write what you had exactly envisioned in your head and because they didn't bend to your every whim they now suck?

Literary experts are shams who sit around weaving impenetrable nonsense to justify their paycheck all day

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:33 .

[BlueManLake]

Just like to throw a few cents into this little discussion. First and formost, while Cerberus doesn't outright say they carried out any of these deeds--and when they do they twist the story around--the galaxy knows of Cerberus. They know that if you are against Cerberus you are a target. Thus, even if they never intended to be, Cerberus has became the very definition of terrorist that pro-Cerberus have tried to use for their point. We aren't trying to say if Cerberus is a terrorist organization or not, we are looking for ethical justification for their actions, something I have seen little of.

Second point, if any of the Mass Effect games are childish, it is the first one. Don't get me wrong, I love the first game more the second, but when you break it down, it's a basic story. You are Shepard, even if you are being a jerk to everyone you meet, you are still seen as our only hope good guy. There is bad guy, go beat him, and you do. ME2 brought death into the equation in the same way that Star Trek 2 brought death to the franchise. You now got the idea that everyone can die, that alone is much heavier that ME ever went. You brought in ethical problems that effect more than just humanity. In general the whole game gave off a much darkier feeling, more hostile, it felt more real.

Just saying.

[Blacklash93]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I do.
They suck.

Because you are such a literary expert right?  Or is it because they did not write what you had exactly envisioned in your head and because they didn't bend to your every whim they now suck?

No, it's becaue they have consistency errors and plot holes a 5-year old could spot and fix in 5 minutes.

You try writing a writing an enitire, in-depth universe over the span of a trilogy with hundreds of codex entries whilst being forced to change writers for every installment and cave into the pressures and inevitable compromises of game development. You try doing that without making a single mistake. Then we'll talk.

Also, just because TIM isn't who you thought he was doesn't mean the writers suck. They just went in a direction you don't personally like.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:46 .

[Medhia Nox]

LOL I really look forward to the great works of fiction some of you will be putting out... of course, I won't hold my breath - because I doubt you could write an enthralling sentence, let alone an entire interactive work.

That being said - there's many things I do not like about the Mass Effect series (the Reapers, TIM and Cerberus post ME 1, the application of the 'science' of Mass Effect fields, the expedited timeline to human awesomeness) - but that's different than saying the writers suck, because I've never written for a video game (love to give it a go though).

Again - I'll be paying good money for those masterpieces you'll be producing after you get off the BSN - so get working critics!

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No, it's becaue they have consistency errors and plot holes a 5-year old could spot and fix in 5 minutes.

You try writing a writing an enitire, in-depth universe over the span of a trilogy with hundreds of codex entries whilst being forced to change writers for every installment and cave into the pressures and inevitable compromises of game development. You try doing that without making a single mistake. Then we'll talk.

They suck. Period.

If I after one playtrough can find 20 obvious flaws and come up with simple ways to fix them, then someone at Bio wasn't doing their job. Or they didn't care - which is even worse.

[Lotion Soronarr]

BlueManLake wrote...
Second point, if any of the Mass Effect games are childish, it is the first one. Don't get me wrong, I love the first game more the second, but when you break it down, it's a basic story. You are Shepard, even if you are being a jerk to everyone you meet, you are still seen as our only hope good guy. There is bad guy, go beat him, and you do. ME2 brought death into the equation in the same way that Star Trek 2 brought death to the franchise. You now got the idea that everyone can die, that alone is much heavier that ME ever went. You brought in ethical problems that effect more than just humanity. In general the whole game gave off a much darkier feeling, more hostile, it felt more real.

Just saying.

and was written much worse, witch characters holding idiot balls galore, events making no sense and things being over the top purely for te "cool" factor and so forth...

I fail to see how that is more "mature" just because a squaddie or two can die (and you have to work for it to happen)

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 25 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Medhia Nox wrote...

LOL I really look forward to the great works of fiction some of you will be putting out... of course, I won't hold my breath - because I doubt you could write an enthralling sentence, let alone an entire interactive work.

While I doubt my writing style would be good, at least my creation would be more consistent and woudn't have so many plot holes and problems. Why?
Because I'd go over it a hunderd times if necesary. I'd hire people whose specific job would be to look for such flaws.

[KotorEffect3]

*facepalms*

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

*facepalms*

 
^^

You look better already.
Smarter too.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:53 .

[JGray]

On the one hand, I'm happy a thread I've started has gone over thirty pages.

On the other hand, it has devolved to the level of school room taunting and passive aggressive 'I know you are, but what am I'.

Darn.

[KotorEffect3]

LS why are you even here? You barely played the first two games and I doubt you will even play the third. You do nothing about whine about the series and insult it's writers, there is apparently nothing that you like about it so why spend times on a forum of a series that you are not even going to play?

[Medhia Nox]

@Saphra - you can not like something, I believe I was clear when I said I too have things I don't like about Mass Effect... but to say that the writer's suck, or that the writing is poor, suggests that you are an accomplished writer yourself.

Which - you are not, and likely will never be.

And yes - when a non-professional discusses the work of professionals... their opinion IS less. Sorry.

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@Lotion: That's nice - but that's not how writers do things. They don't have an infinite amount of time to write the "perfect story".

You either have the talent (coupled with training) or ... you do not. 

Unless you're one of those underachievers who thinks they "could" accomplish anything if only they applied themselves. In which case - we have nothing to discuss.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 janvier 2012 - 07:24 .

[KBomb]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Saphra - you can not like something, I believe I was clear when I said I too have things I don't like about Mass Effect... but to say that the writer's suck, or that the writing is poor, suggests that you are an accomplished writer yourself.

Which - you are not, and likely will never be.

And yes - when a non-professional discusses the work of professionals... their opinion IS less. Sorry.

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@Lotion: That's nice - but that's not how writers do things. They don't have an infinite amount of time to write the "perfect story".

You either have the talent (coupled with training) or ... you do not. 

Unless you're one of those underachievers who thinks they "could" accomplish anything if only they applied themselves. In which case - we have nothing to discuss.

You don’t have to be an accomplished writer to know when it’s poor. Take the spoiler for Jacob for example(which I won’t go into for obvious reasons), you don’t have to be an accomplished writer to know that was really bad writing. It is on level with fan fiction, imho. Even if it was in the “old” script, knowing that they contemplated such a story device is enough to give pause and be concerned over any other future writing.
　
You don’t have to be a chef to know when food taste bad. You don’t have to be in the movie-making industry to know when a movie is bad. You don’t have to be an artist to know when a painting is pretentious or generic. To say one’s opinion is less because it isn’t “professional” makes no sense whatsoever. It may be seen in a different light, but it is just as important, nonetheless.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

LS why are you even here? You barely played the first two games and I doubt you will even play the third. You do nothing about whine about the series and insult it's writers, there is apparently nothing that you like about it so why spend times on a forum of a series that you are not even going to play?

Didn't you know? My mission in life is to pi** you off.
And appearances can be decieving bub. You'd be wise to remember that.

Speaking of which, why are you here and not playing ME2 again? Probably because you havn't filled your daily quota of ass kissin?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Medhia Nox wrote...
@Lotion: That's nice - but that's not how writers do things. They don't have an infinite amount of time to write the "perfect story".

Well, you don't need an infinite amount of time. If you can't take 1 day to go over the story and fix the flaws, then that's unexcusably sloppy. If they did go trough and these gapign flaws still got trough - that's also sloppy.

[Medhia Nox]

So you would go over it a "hundred times if necessary" in a day? You would "hire people who's job it is to look for such flaws" in a day?

Did it ever occur to you that they could have written the next Star Wars (or whatever sci-fi awesomeness you happen to think is "perfect") in paper... but that it couldn't translate to the game because of limitations of the engine/money/time?

Again - not liking something is different than talking as if you're a professional in the field. You and Saphra are doing the later.

[Phaedon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
But, you wouldn't have been prepared if you had kept the Base. In fact, you would get f*cked in the ass should it have anything useful, which it logically shouldn't and it doesn't.

Sense...I'm not detecting any in this sentance.

Hey, it's always good to hear that from the guy who doesn't know what magnetism is.