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[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

A logical argument for destroying the base?, how about a moral one?

No, I'm not interested in those.

lol

[Yakko77]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

A logical argument for destroying the base?, how about a moral one?

No, I'm not interested in those.

lol

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

If the species doesn't have a moral code than it isn't worth saving.

[incinerator950]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

If the species doesn't have a moral code than it isn't worth saving.

Thats an irony.

[jaza]

I'm find it ,frankly , incomprehensible how Paragons can blow up the base.

What exactly will we use to combat the Reapers? I've heard one guy mention Asari commandos, STG and Krogan as strengths but those are GROUND units, useless against the space-faring Reapers.

Geth and quarian fleets?

Quarians: Old ships, frail species and divided leadership.



Surely we will need every advantage we can get?

And so what if TIM takes the base? You took it once, you can do it again. And considering the Alliance is now under attack and more willing to believe you, surely they would aid you with soldiers should you need to retake the base no?

Modifié par jaza, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:15 .

[KotorEffect3]

incinerator950 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

If the species doesn't have a moral code than it isn't worth saving.

Thats an irony.

How so?

[KotorEffect3]

jaza wrote...

I'm find it ,frankly , incomprehensible how Paragons can blow up the base.

What exactly will we use to combat the Reapers? I've heard one guy mention Asari commandos, STG and Krogan as strengths but those are GROUND units, useless against the space-faring Reapers.

Geth and quarian fleets?

Quarians: Old ships, frail species and divided leadership.



Surely we will need every advantage we can get?

And so what if TIM takes the base? You took one, you can do it again. And considering the Alliance is now under attack and more willing to believe you, surely they would aid you with soldiers should you need to retake the base no?

TIM can't be trusted, it is that simple.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:13 .

[jaza]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

jaza wrote...

I'm find it ,frankly , incomprehensible how Paragons can blow up the base.

What exactly will we use to combat the Reapers? I've heard one guy mention Asari commandos, STG and Krogan as strengths but those are GROUND units, useless against the space-faring Reapers.

Geth and quarian fleets?

Quarians: Old ships, frail species and divided leadership.



Surely we will need every advantage we can get?

And so what if TIM takes the base? You took one, you can do it again. And considering the Alliance is now under attack and more willing to believe you, surely they would aid you with soldiers should you need to retake the base no?

TIM can't be trusted, it is that simple.

I acknowledged that in my first post, thank you.

What I was saying is that we would be able to retake the base when/if he captures it.

Did you read my post?

[LPPrince]

How about someone giving me a logical moral reason for eating a bowl of a man's cereal when he wasn't there to object to it?

And don't give me that "Adrenaline Junkie" nonsense.

/KaiLenginDeception

//NotJoking

[incinerator950]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

jaza wrote...

I'm find it ,frankly , incomprehensible how Paragons can blow up the base.

What exactly will we use to combat the Reapers? I've heard one guy mention Asari commandos, STG and Krogan as strengths but those are GROUND units, useless against the space-faring Reapers.

Geth and quarian fleets?

Quarians: Old ships, frail species and divided leadership.



Surely we will need every advantage we can get?

And so what if TIM takes the base? You took one, you can do it again. And considering the Alliance is now under attack and more willing to believe you, surely they would aid you with soldiers should you need to retake the base no?

TIM can't be trusted, it is that simple.

Agreed, but at the time he could have.  Then the script went into the last call. 

A Paragon would destroy the base.  Many players just blindly follow paragon routes because of full paragon runs.  Another good portion destroys the base because they dislike the Illusive Man, not because the Base was melting humans into a Reaper. 

As to the irony of saving a race that wouldn't have the morals to justify it, that's no different then damning them to dying. 

[Arppis]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

Seems like you really want to lose the humanity and have the excuse of acting like immortal person there.
It seems like you don't give a crap about fellow man, just want to use this sittulation as excuse to do as you want without being afraid of concequences. You are defending this point pretty hard.

It just seems pretty nihilistic.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

If the species doesn't have a moral code than it isn't worth saving.

Sez your moral code.
The same moral code that you put ABOVE all the children, women and everyone in the galaxy.

You are worse then Cerberus ever could be.

[Someone With Mass]

jaza wrote...

I'm find it ,frankly , incomprehensible how Paragons can blow up the base.

What exactly will we use to combat the Reapers? I've heard one guy mention Asari commandos, STG and Krogan as strengths but those are GROUND units, useless against the space-faring Reapers.

Geth and quarian fleets?

Quarians: Old ships, frail species and divided leadership.



Surely we will need every advantage we can get?

And so what if TIM takes the base? You took one, you can do it again. And considering the Alliance is now under attack and more willing to believe you, surely they would aid you with soldiers should you need to retake the base no?

I did it, because I believed that Cerberus would just keep all the good parts for themselves, and there's no point in keeping it if I won't benefit from it on the same level they would.

Because if they were so willing to share to help stop the Reapers, then there's plenty of inormation and technology they could share. Alas, Cerberus is lead by a delusional loser who thinks that controlling the Reapers is somehow better, despite the fact that he and his little crew can't even control a few geth.

Or, to play it with their own cards: It was a necessary loss.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arppis wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

Seems like you really want to lose the humanity and have the excuse of acting like immortal person there.
It seems like you don't give a crap about fellow man, just want to use this sittulation as excuse to do as you want without being afraid of concequences. You are defending this point pretty hard.

It just seems pretty nihilistic.

:huh: Wut?

Excuse me, but htat the BIGGEST, FOULEST load of BS I ever heard.

Who gives you the right to sacrifice everyone in the galaxy for your petty morals?
Sacrifice your humanity? What the hell does that even mean? I bet you don't even know, or can define it.

Saying he doesn't give a crap about his fellow man, when you're happily condemn every man, woman and child in the galxy to death is beyond redicolous....

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
I did it, because I believed that Cerberus would just keep all the good parts for themselves, and there's no point in keeping it if I won't benefit from it on the same level they would.

Which you didn't know for sure...but what the hell. And any benefit is better than no benefit.

Even if they don't give you evertything, they WILL use what they have against the reapers - because if they don't they'll be slushified too.

You're so concerned about thempossibly having better tech than everyone else, then you're again ignoring hte bigger issue - the reapers. Who cares if you neighbor gets a bigger gun than you, when you're both threatened by a third party and will definately die if you don't defeat it.



I'm gonna keep repeating my question untill one of you gathers to guts to answer it:
- how can you demand trust and cooperation between gvariosu factions, when you are wunwilling to do the same?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That doesn't make any sense.

Just because Cerberus might not share all of it you'd prefer it if nobody has it?

Anything which helps to defeat the Reapers benefits you, even if it isn't in your hands.

You missed the part where TIM isn't working to defeat the Reapers. He's working to control them. There's a difference.

So excuse me if I don't feel like handing over potential weapons of mass destruction to a very delusional extremist paramilitary group that writes everything bad they do off as necessary losses, even though it's not, since they're just trying to hide their raging incompetence.

[incinerator950]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

That doesn't make any sense.

Just because Cerberus might not share all of it you'd prefer it if nobody has it?

Anything which helps to defeat the Reapers benefits you, even if it isn't in your hands.

You missed the part where TIM isn't working to defeat the Reapers. He's working to control them. There's a difference.

So excuse me if I don't feel like handing over potential weapons of mass destruction to a very delusional extremist paramilitary group that writes everything bad they do off as necessary losses, even though it's not, since they're just trying to hide their raging incompetence.

Two Problems

A) This is after ME 2 is completed.
 You're using metagaming to allow you to make a decision.

Most of us couldn't have known outside of speculation that Cerberus would swap sides to try to control the Reapers.  

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I'm gonna keep repeating my question untill one of you gathers to guts to answer it:
- how can you demand trust and cooperation between gvariosu factions, when you are wunwilling to do the same?

Here's the thing. I'm not demanding crap from Cerberus. I want them to do the galaxy a big favor and burn in eternal hellfire.

Aw, they don't trust me. Well, too ****ing bad that the Reapers don't give a damn about that either.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

That doesn't make any sense.

Just because Cerberus might not share all of it you'd prefer it if nobody has it?

Anything which helps to defeat the Reapers benefits you, even if it isn't in your hands.

You missed the part where TIM isn't working to defeat the Reapers. He's working to control them. There's a difference.

So excuse me if I don't feel like handing over potential weapons of mass destruction to a very delusional extremist paramilitary group that writes everything bad they do off as necessary losses, even though it's not, since they're just trying to hide their raging incompetence.

Controlling the Reapers? Whatever are you taking about?

Edit: Damn you, Saph. You bloody ninja.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:58 .

[incinerator950]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

That doesn't make any sense.

Just because Cerberus might not share all of it you'd prefer it if nobody has it?

Anything which helps to defeat the Reapers benefits you, even if it isn't in your hands.

You missed the part where TIM isn't working to defeat the Reapers. He's working to control them. There's a difference.

So excuse me if I don't feel like handing over potential weapons of mass destruction to a very delusional extremist paramilitary group that writes everything bad they do off as necessary losses, even though it's not, since they're just trying to hide their raging incompetence.

Controlling the Reapers? Whatever are you taking about?

Apparently the Mission to mars describes Cerberus's intent, as well as TIM's message.  Also, it becomes confirmed that most of Cerberus ends up indoctrinated after ME2.