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[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
That's meta-gaming which makes it an invalid argument.

Whatever, twerp. I don't want to play your incredibly childish games by pretending to see it from Shepard's POV, which achieves absolutely nothing.

"Whaaa, it's metagaming."

When that argument actually serves a purpose beyond being a massive circlejerk, maybe I'll care.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:01 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

dgcatanisiri wrote...
WHY do people believe that the Collector base full of Reaper technology, which is consistantly shown to indoctrinate anyone who studies it, let alone uses it, is the key to stopping the Reapers?

Because indoctrination is the reapers greatest weapon and they ARE going to use it agaisnt you. And only an utter and complete moron would not try to counter that weapon.
You can blow the base up, but indoctrination WILL happen once tthe reapers arrive, and your own forces will start turning traitor.
So yeah - research it before it's too late. Even if you loose a bunch of poeple, it's better than the alternative

The Reapers have been using their technology for millions of years. Everything that the Citadel races utilize is based upon technology that the Reapers left for them to use, which then means that species evolve to follow the paths that they want. There have even been hints in the story that this is the better alternative - Soveriegn says that the Reapers left the mass effect technology for sapients to find and follow the paths the Reapers desire, Matriarch Aethyta got the blue laughed off her ass by the complacent leaders for suggesting designing new technologies (anything that the people shown to be hiding from the truth of the Reapers disagree with is worth listening to) and Legion says that following their path, not a predetermined one is what the geth strive to attain.

Not what it means. You people keep making the same mistake a million times.

Dependancy on mass relays for travel is what it means. So the repaers can shut down the relay network and cripple everyone. That's it.

That doesn't mean all other tech based on ME fields. and it certanly doesn't mean indoctrination technology.

[Arppis]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

Seems like you really want to lose the humanity and have the excuse of acting like immortal person there.
It seems like you don't give a crap about fellow man, just want to use this sittulation as excuse to do as you want without being afraid of concequences. You are defending this point pretty hard.

It just seems pretty nihilistic.

:huh: Wut?

Excuse me, but htat the BIGGEST, FOULEST load of BS I ever heard.

Who gives you the right to sacrifice everyone in the galaxy for your petty morals?
Sacrifice your humanity? What the hell does that even mean? I bet you don't even know, or can define it.

Saying he doesn't give a crap about his fellow man, when you're happily condemn every man, woman and child in the galxy to death is beyond redicolous....

Just abusing power when there is way to avoid all that. It's something people use as excuse to do horrible things. It's not bullcrap, has happened all over history. Choosing the quicker way isn't always good for the humanity.

Sometimes you can't avoid the bad decissions, I get that. But some people here seem  to think those decissions are the only way forward. It's just lazy, un-empathic thinking. These people never sacrifice anything for themselves, they always sacrifice other people for their goals. And then they justify it with pretty words.

That's sociopathic behauvior just there. Just talking about general vibe some people give here.

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

What's the point of saving humanity if you lose your humanity?

That's not to say you can't kick butt, headbutt and shoot first but there is a line and it's not all that fine, it's pretty defined and definite... or should be.

Save humanity first and then you can feel guilty about it later if you must. That will be a luxury you've earned.

Survival comes first, so spare me the weepy moral arguments. I won't risk the destruction of the species for your personal moral code.

If the species doesn't have a moral code than it isn't worth saving.

Sez your moral code.
The same moral code that you put ABOVE all the children, women and everyone in the galaxy.

You are worse then Cerberus ever could be.

Yes let's ask Jack how safe women and children are from Cerberus.

[incinerator950]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
That's meta-gaming which makes it an invalid argument.

Whatever, twerp. I don't want to play your incredibly childish games by pretending to see it from Shepard's POV, which achieves absolutely nothing.

Hey kid, we don't want to see you complain about something in a previous edition, because you're using future events as a metagaming reason to set up your runs. 

I can play that game too, and quite frankly, don't care.  This topic shouldn't even be continuing until after ME 3 has been released and been completed.  

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
That's meta-gaming which makes it an invalid argument.

Whatever, twerp. I don't want to play your incredibly childish games by pretending to see it from Shepard's POV, which achieves absolutely nothing.

"Whaaa, it's metagaming."

When that argument actually serves a purpose, maybe I'll care.

It serves a purpose, but of course, since it torpedoes your arguments and makes you look liek a moron, you are all too happy to ignore it..

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

When that argument actually serves a purpose, maybe I'll care.

Then why should we care about anything you write?

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:02 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

That doesn't make any sense.

Just because Cerberus might not share all of it you'd prefer it if nobody has it?

Anything which helps to defeat the Reapers benefits you, even if it isn't in your hands.

You missed the part where TIM isn't working to defeat the Reapers. He's working to control them. There's a difference.

If he gets control of them, he effectivey defeats them.

But, by following your (lack of) logic, you'd never give that base to anyone.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 28 janvier 2012 - 11:07 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well if you want to discuss this from a meta-perspective then sure, there's little reason to save the base.

I don't think that makes for very lively discussion though.

I prefer arguing from in-universe as this is a role playing game.

A lively discussion.

You mean the same crap that's been going on for two years now? Wow. So exciting.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It serves a purpose, but of course, since it torpedoes your arguments and makes you look liek a moron, you are all too happy to ignore it..

If you want to talk about the same crap over and over and over again for another month, be my guest.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Then why should we care about anything you write?

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I'm gonna keep repeating my question untill one of you gathers to guts to answer it:
- how can you demand trust and cooperation between gvariosu factions, when you are wunwilling to do the same?

Here's the thing. I'm not demanding crap from Cerberus. I want them to do the galaxy a big favor and burn in eternal hellfire.

Aw, they don't trust me. Well, too ****ing bad that the Reapers don't give a damn about that either.

Your'e not answering hte question - yoiu are dodging it. But I'll make it more edetailed, since you obviously do not get it...

How can you come to the quarians and ask them to make piece with the Geth?
How can you ask Krogans to work with Turians and Salarians?

How can you demend for every other faction to burrs their hatchets anmd get over their trust issues and hatered - when you yourself utterly refuse to do the same? Shouldn't Shepard lead by example?

Oh, and if your answer is "but they are Cerberus", then I'll coutner with: 
Krogan/Quarian: "but they are Salarian/Turian/Geth"

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
You always come back so you must like it.

Yeah, because I have a small hope something new will show up one day, but it always turns out to be the pathetic Cerberus Defense Force, talking about the same tiresome crap all the damn time.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

A lively discussion.

You mean the same crap that's been going on for two years now? Wow. So exciting.

You always come back so you must like it.

He must like getting torn apart on a regular basis.


Kinky little fellow, ain't he?

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I'm gonna keep repeating my question untill one of you gathers to guts to answer it:
- how can you demand trust and cooperation between gvariosu factions, when you are wunwilling to do the same?

Here's the thing. I'm not demanding crap from Cerberus. I want them to do the galaxy a big favor and burn in eternal hellfire.

Aw, they don't trust me. Well, too ****ing bad that the Reapers don't give a damn about that either.

Your'e not answering hte question - yoiu are dodging it. But I'll make it more edetailed, since you obviously do not get it...

How can you come to the quarians and ask them to make piece with the Geth?
How can you ask Krogans to work with Turians and Salarians?

How can you demend for every other faction to burrs their hatchets anmd get over their trust issues and hatered - when you yourself utterly refuse to do the same? Shouldn't Shepard lead by example?

Oh, and if your answer is "but they are Cerberus", then I'll coutner with: 
Krogan/Quarian: "but they are Salarian/Turian/Geth"

Because timmyboy has no intention of working peacefully with the other species. 

[DJBare]

jaza wrote...
I acknowledged that in my first post, thank you.

What I was saying is that we would be able to retake the base when/if he captures it.

In the mean time while you are preparing to take back the base it's already being used, a bit late for the poor suckers already being experimented on huh?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
You always come back so you must like it.

Yeah, because I have a small hope something new will show up one day, but it always turns out to be the pathetic Cerberus Defense Force, talking about the same tiresome crap all the damn time.

Well, it's easy to defend this position. Especially with the quality of arguments you are presenting.

I can understand why you're getting tired  - I mean, you folk constatnly try again aned again with cvariations of flimsy arguments, only to be beaten every time with the same few rebuttals.
I bet it feels kinda like playing tennis with a wall. Very irritating (unless you are Chuck Norris)

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Your'e not answering hte question - yoiu are dodging it. But I'll make it more edetailed, since you obviously do not get it...

How can you come to the quarians and ask them to make piece with the Geth?
How can you ask Krogans to work with Turians and Salarians?

How can you demend for every other faction to burrs their hatchets anmd get over their trust issues and hatered - when you yourself utterly refuse to do the same? Shouldn't Shepard lead by example?

Oh, and if your answer is "but they are Cerberus", then I'll coutner with: 
Krogan/Quarian: "but they are Salarian/Turian/Geth"

Because timmyboy has no intention of working peacefully with the other species. 

Not an answer.
What if a Quarioan admiral goes : "Geth have no intention of working peacefully with us." And any thing you bring forth is dismissed as lies.

Krogan have no intention of working peacefully with the Salarians.
I dont' need proof, I KNOW. The magical unicorn told me.


You got no argument (then again you never did)
Everytihng you have rests soley on your hatered and irrational mistrust of Cerberus, hypocrisy and double standards.

[Arppis]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Because timmyboy has no intention of working peacefully with the other species. 

How do you know? In ME2 he seems to have plans to work peacefully with them. At the very least he's shown no actual hostility to anyone.

Truly Cerberus is reaching out for allies in this fight. Even the quarians were willing to lend an olive branch. The Council as well doesn't seem all that concerned or troubled by Cerberus. It's only the Paragon types and the Alliance who aren't willing to play nice. (and the turians)

Because he says at the end: "POWER TO THE CERBERUS IS POWER TO THE HUMANITY! AGAINST REAPERS AND BEYOND, blah blah", he really is all that pro-human. He wants humanity to sit as ruler of galaxy, not working WITH other spieces.

He keeps a lot of things from Shepard really, it's a big reason not to trust him.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Because timmyboy has no intention of working peacefully with the other species. 

How do you know? In ME2 he seems to have plans to work peacefully with them. At the very least he's shown no actual hostility to anyone.

Truly Cerberus is reaching out for allies in this fight. Even the quarians were willing to lend an olive branch. The Council as well doesn't seem all that concerned or troubled by Cerberus. It's only the Paragon types and the Alliance who aren't willing to play nice. (and the turians)

The quarians sent Veetor's omni-tool info because Shepard was on the case and Tali probably vouched for Shepard despite the fact the Shepard had to work with cerberus.  And I did not see cerberus reach out to anyone in ME 2.  The council wasn't happy about shepard working with cerberus but they agreed to look the other way for the time being as long as he stayed out of their hair.

[Arppis]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Your'e not answering hte question - yoiu are dodging it. But I'll make it more edetailed, since you obviously do not get it...

How can you come to the quarians and ask them to make piece with the Geth?
How can you ask Krogans to work with Turians and Salarians?

How can you demend for every other faction to burrs their hatchets anmd get over their trust issues and hatered - when you yourself utterly refuse to do the same? Shouldn't Shepard lead by example?

Oh, and if your answer is "but they are Cerberus", then I'll coutner with: 
Krogan/Quarian: "but they are Salarian/Turian/Geth"

Because timmyboy has no intention of working peacefully with the other species. 

Not an answer.
What if a Quarioan admiral goes : "Geth have no intention of working peacefully with us." And any thing you bring forth is dismissed as lies.

Krogan have no intention of working peacefully with the Salarians.
I dont' need proof, I KNOW. The magical unicorn told me.


You got no argument (then again you never did)
Everytihng you have rests soley on your hatered and irrational mistrust of Cerberus, hypocrisy and double standards.

Past actions count ALOT. As I said, socipaths have a lot of excuses to cover them.