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[Skullheart]

The Krogan rise was fault of the krogans(they didn't respect asaris colonies). And in the case of the quarians it was all quarian fault (they first error was to investigate AI, the second was attacking and destroying the Geth).

But the council response in both cases was horrible, they are supposed to help the "lesser races" in case of need.

[CaptainZaysh]

If the point of the topic is to work out whether, on balance, Cerberus is a net good or a net evil, the fact that if we didn't have them all of galactic society would be Reaper chow seems pretty conclusively to put them in the "useful to have around" column.

[ABCoLD]

LTiberious wrote...

One more thing.

Cerberus is not willing to enslave other races. It wants to make Humans dominant in the galaxy. Which is a great idea.

Expand, explain, defend.

[Aimi]

MisterJB wrote...

Not that one. The "Having a seat on the Council implies that a species can deal with their problems and also help others with theirs".
Right, so now, humans have a problem. Some help would be nice.

Yeah, but humanity isn't a member of the Citadel Council. The Alliance is. The Hierarchy, Union, and Republics are in no way beholden to humanity outside the Alliance. Same train of thought: asari have a Council seat, Aria T'Loak is an asari from the Terminus, and Aria just lost a war with Cerberus over Omega. Should the Alliance have to help out Aria against Cerberus? Of course not.

[didymos1120]

mrsph wrote...

sorry, I copy pasted off a word document I wrote awhile ago and BSN hates it and I'm too lazy to fix it!

Before you paste, hit the "BBCode" button.  It won't screw up the formatting that way.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Calibration Master wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...
1. Humans are now on the council.
2. Humans now have Spectres.
If as you say Cerberus is the same as the council then why not just have things stay the same?

Collectors kidnap humans.
Human Councillor asks for aid from the Citadel Fleet.
Asari, Turian and Salarian Councillors vote against him, with the most hypocritical excuse ever.
3 to 1, we lose. Nothing happens, Collectors keep abducting humans.

If you chose right Shep got reinstated as a Spectre and allowed to investigate.

The "Spectre resinstatement" is just a hoax. I don't get it that people are actually so blind to fall for it.

Spectre-status means NOTHING in the Terminus system, where Shepard's investigation takes place during ME2. And Shepard ONLY gets "Spectre reinstament" if he/she promises to stay away from the Council and their business.

You mean like how people fell for T.I.M. saying they're "helping" humanity instead of just being a pawn?

Modifié par OmegaBlue0231, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:09 .

[redbaron76]

Very simple they work for reapers, kill TIM and rest of cerberus.

[TheCreeper]

Kid Buu wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

One more thing.

Cerberus is not willing to enslave other races. It wants to make Humans dominant in the galaxy. Which is a great idea.

Great? How?

I'm rather curious about that myself. The only thing special about Humanity is that Reapers want us, that is not a good thing. besides that (and Commander shepard) there is nothing about Humanity that makes us better enough that we deserve to dominate the galaxy.

[GodWood]

For humanity to dominate it has to appeal to the 'lesser species'. Meaning more species get more power and resources instead of having everything in the grubby hands of the big three.

[Armass81]

Human dominance is not a good idea, when you look at how we have operated in our history, what our worst men do with great power. All in all, abuse of power, fascism and racial segregation are sure to be on the horizon in such government.

When you look what the council has done, they have kept relative peace for 2000 years, even species under the great three have grown and prospered. They are still considered relatively free. Besides humans are now in the top 4, it might take time for us to gather political allies and sway in the council but at least we are now there. And quite fast too, think how long other species have waited, and still you keep complaining about humans not having enough power. We have been given so much in so short time. You people should be content for now...

Citadel space is not perfect, sure there are complaints and issues and things could be better. But it's damn near better than the alternative, rule under one species, even if that species were human. Cooperation is best thing here, 80 % of known intelligent species in the galaxy seems to understand this which is why they are part of the Citadel space. If you dont like it, you can always go to the Terminus systems and start an endless cycle of fighting with other species for dominance, you know like the batarians did.

I am still for the galactic federation where each species gets its representative or group of representatives to speak.

Modifié par Armass81, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:26 .

[Welsh Inferno]

On the council:

I play closer to Paragon usually but the Council definitely needs to be completely broken up and a new one be made, they really are annoying when they only look out for themselves. Get rid of those silly treaties which only help themselves.. Humanity doesn't need to outright lead it though. I'd prefer a Council where all races could have a representative. Equality. 

If Humanity leads it. Soon enough you will have Humans only looking out for Human interests.. While everyone else gets shafted.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:13 .

[Calibration Master]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...
1. Humans are now on the council.
2. Humans now have Spectres.
If as you say Cerberus is the same as the council then why not just have things stay the same?

Collectors kidnap humans.
Human Councillor asks for aid from the Citadel Fleet.
Asari, Turian and Salarian Councillors vote against him, with the most hypocritical excuse ever.
3 to 1, we lose. Nothing happens, Collectors keep abducting humans.

If you chose right Shep got reinstated as a Spectre and allowed to investigate.

The "Spectre resinstatement" is just a hoax. I don't get it that people are actually so blind to fall for it.

Spectre-status means NOTHING in the Terminus system, where Shepard's investigation takes place during ME2. And Shepard ONLY gets "Spectre reinstament" if he/she promises to stay away from the Council and their business.

You mean like how people fell for T.I.M. saying they're "helping" humanity instead of just being a pawn?

Not sure what you're talking about.

[Kid Buu]

GodWood wrote...

For humanity to dominate it has to appeal to the 'lesser species'. Meaning more species get more power and resources instead of having everything in the grubby hands of the big three.

Every race should have a representative. None should be dominant.

[Skullheart]

I don't want human domination (too much problem dealing with aliens). What I want is an independent humanity that doesn't need aliens to survive in the galaxy.

The problem is that BW wrote Cerberus as an evil organization who only wants power to rule all over the galaxy.

Mankind needs an organization to kept humanity safe and to investigate human advance.

[Volus Warlord]

Kid Buu wrote...


Every race should have a representative. None should be dominant.

 Sorry pal. That's not the way things work. 

[Kid Buu]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...


Every race should have a representative. None should be dominant.

 Sorry pal. That's not the way things work. 

Hence why I said SHOULD. Please comprehend what people say.

[Kid Buu]

Skullheart wrote...

I don't want human domination (too much problem dealing with aliens). What I want is an independent humanity that doesn't need aliens to survive in the galaxy.

The problem is that BW wrote Cerberus as an evil organization who only wants power to rule all over the galaxy.

Mankind needs an organization to kept humanity safe and to investigate human advance.

You mean the Alliance?

[GodWood]

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...
For humanity to dominate it has to appeal to the 'lesser species'. Meaning more species get more power and resources instead of having everything in the grubby hands of the big three.

Every race should have a representative. None should be dominant.

Such a system is unrealistic and is quite frankly the opposite of what we have.

At least with human dominance the other races have more power and are not being crushed under the 3 council species.

[Calibration Master]

Armass81 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...
1. Humans are now on the council.
2. Humans now have Spectres.
If as you say Cerberus is the same as the council then why not just have things stay the same?

Collectors kidnap humans.
Human Councillor asks for aid from the Citadel Fleet.
Asari, Turian and Salarian Councillors vote against him, with the most hypocritical excuse ever.
3 to 1, we lose. Nothing happens, Collectors keep abducting humans.

If you chose right Shep got reinstated as a Spectre and allowed to investigate.

The "Spectre resinstatement" is just a hoax. I don't get it that people are actually so blind to fall for it.

Spectre-status means NOTHING in the Terminus system, where Shepard's investigation takes place during ME2. And Shepard ONLY gets "Spectre reinstament" if he/she promises to stay away from the Council and their business.

Do you think USA would grand you the powers of the CIA and want you to operate within their country if they knew you were now part of Al-Qaida?

The council appointing Shepard back to spectres is quite remarkable if you think about it. They even give him a change to come back afterwards. Thats quite merciful. Altough the alliance would probably still prosecute him...

Consider this: He just appears out of nowhere and is now part of a known terrorist organization... I mean what would you do?

For the last time: Cerberus is not a terrorist organisation. They don't fit the profile of "terrorist" one bit. Cerberus is an Alliance black ops organisation, nothing more, nothing less.

Seriously, it annoys me greatly that people are eager to shout "TERRORISTS" while they don't even know what they're talking about. Even the BioWare writers themselves apperantly don't know what "terrorist" really means.

[LordJeyl]

Skullheart wrote...No Ceberus = No Normandy (they encouraged the alliance to co-develop the ship with the turians)
No Normandy = No travel to Ilos (any other ship would have been destroyed by the geth ships on orbit).
No Shep traveling to ilos = Saren activates the Citadel, and critical mission failure.

We're not saying that Cerberus shouldn't have existed. I'm sure even at the time when they encouraged the co-development of the Normandy, nobody knew what their real intentions were. Their methods may be sound, but their goals are dangerous, racist and destructive. 

[Kid Buu]

GodWood wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...
For humanity to dominate it has to appeal to the 'lesser species'. Meaning more species get more power and resources instead of having everything in the grubby hands of the big three.

Every race should have a representative. None should be dominant.

Such a system is unrealistic and is quite frankly the opposite of what we have.

At least with human dominance the other races have more power and are not being crushed under the 3 council species.

You dont KNOW that. Humanity being in control could be even worse.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:15 .

[Skullheart]

Well, imo the council shouldn't exist. It's a system were only the council species are favored.

[Kid Buu]

Skullheart wrote...

Well, imo the council shouldn't exist. It's a system were only the council species are favored.

Hence why I said every species affected should get a say. Apparently though, people like it when only ONE gets a say.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:16 .

[JGray]

Skullheart wrote...

Mankind needs an organization to kept humanity safe and to investigate human advance.

I believe that DW Griffith said something very similar in 'Birth of a Nation'.