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[incinerator950]

It was confirmed to be six months.  Six months of peace, I can think of a lot of men and women who would give a lot more for that right now. 

[ParagonForLife]

incinerator950 wrote...

It was confirmed to be six months.  Six months of peace, I can think of a lot of men and women who would give a lot more for that right now. 

6 months of peace....theres no peace the alliance is still fighting agianst geth an pirates theres still fighting going on nothing has changed from Arrival to ME3 expect that now everything Sheppard has said is being discounted because people think hes a terrorist 

[Lotion Soronarr]

ParagonForLife wrote...
Cerberus has a goal that cant be achived without millions dying Cerberus thinks that blood is the messure of victory and that there must be sacrifices

Wut?

Sacrifice 1000 people to save millions seems like a worthy trade off Sacrifice millions to save hundreds of millions still seem like a good trade? how about sacrificing a billion to save billions you keep doing that you will run out of people to sacrifice you do your best to save everyone thats why I didnt like Arrival at all I whould have let the reapers come but Bioware likes RPG games where they force events

:lol::lol:

[Lotion Soronarr]

ParagonForLife wrote...
umm  contact the Council and the Alliance and tell them what you found and if they dont show then ill blow it up rather then have Cerberus have it

And the Council would be better with the CB because....? What makes you think they won't abuse it?

Also, you weren't given that option in the game. You are only given two.

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...
umm  contact the Council and the Alliance and tell them what you found and if they dont show then ill blow it up rather then have Cerberus have it

And the Council would be better with the CB because....? What makes you think they won't abuse it?

Also, you weren't given that option in the game. You are only given two.

The council is flawed but we know that Cerberus is way more likely to abuse than the council is.  TIM even says he would have used it to secure human dominance.  Cerberus is an extremist with an extremist agenda.  I am way more likely to trust it in the hands of legitimate governments (plural) than in the hands of xenophobic extremists.  LS if you even try to  twist this around somehow and say cerberus is somehow more trustworthy than you have truly gotten lost in your own madness.

[111987]

ParagonForLife wrote...

Sacrifice 1000 people to save millions seems like a worthy trade off Sacrifice millions to save hundreds of millions still seem like a good trade? how about sacrificing a billion to save billions you keep doing that you will run out of people to sacrifice you do your best to save everyone thats why I didnt like Arrival at all I whould have let the reapers come but Bioware likes RPG games where they force events 

What are you talking about? You can in fact let the Reapers come.

www.youtube.com/watch

Still think saving those Batarians wasn't worth it?

Modifié par 111987, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:40 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...
umm  contact the Council and the Alliance and tell them what you found and if they dont show then ill blow it up rather then have Cerberus have it

And the Council would be better with the CB because....? What makes you think they won't abuse it?

Also, you weren't given that option in the game. You are only given two.

The council is flawed but we know that Cerberus is way more likely to abuse than the council is.  TIM even says he would have used it to secure human dominance.  Cerberus is an extremist with an extremist agenda.  I am way more likely to trust it in the hands of legitimate governments (plural) than in the hands of xenophobic extremists.  LS if you even try to  twist this around somehow and say cerberus is somehow more trustworthy than you have truly gotten lost in your own madness.

He doesn't say that. Quit lying your ass off.
He said his goal is to save humanity from the reapers. By any means.

If you asked Udina he's say teh same. As would the Turan councilor (about turians). As would the Asari and salarian. TIM's statemetn is the msot normal statement I cna think of.
Soemthing every normal person with such big responsiblity would say.


And no, the Council isn't less likely to abuse it. They have been abusing their position for eons.
Being a givernment in no way means anything. Governemnt can be corrupt, duplicious and will do horrible things in secret.

The mad one is you...Actually, not so much mad as dellusional and a hypocrite.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

He doesn't say that. Quit lying your ass off.
*fifteenlayersofcrapsnip*

Yes, he does.

"Against the Reapers and beyond."

[BoboIII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

BoboIII wrote...

You may call CB a shipyard and reapers starships. It doesn't change the fact that CB is producing reapers and reapers are part organic part machines. You can't just remove organic part from a reaper, place Joker inside and drive it around. It's not that simple.

Actually it is.
Not much different than removing the wheel out of the car and replacing it with a computer...or something.
It's just a matter of connecting proper input and outputs...and that is IF you are using all default repaer stuff, and don't simply replace the entire engine controls with your own.

Harbringer deleting all relevant data and EDI not gaining anything is not out the question at all. If you keep the base, data still wont be there.

teh machinery will. Working exampels of tech will. you cna extract data from those.

Omni tool analogy is ment for comparision. Maybe guns are not made by omni tools but are made by some machine that works on omni tool concept.

Again - how do you know?

You have machine, you load schematic in it, machine produces gun. Without schematic there is no gun and no way of studying the gun. Same as if you have 3D printer. You design 3D model on the computer, connect printer to a computer, send to print, printer makes real 3D model out of block of raw material. If you want to study that 3D model you either need the model itself or design from the computer. Examining printer will get you nowhere. Examining printer connected to a wiped computer will also get you nowhere. Unless you like that printer and want to use it for making your own designs. If thats the case, go ahead, use it. I don't need it, I have my own 3D printer and IF i managed to get any relevant data from the computer before it was wiped out, I'll use it on my printer without being concerned about any side effects and whatnot from the system I'm not familiar with.

And if that printer is 100 times more advanced then yours? You'd still consider it nothing?
You might have your own printer, but this one is a lotbetter.

It's like saying "who needs thanix, we have our own guns!"

Even if you consider that production line is bound to have parts in it waiting to be assembled as it would be normal with any production line, this is not exactly the case. Normal production line is ment for serial production and has products in various stages of building along the line itself. This is not the case with CB, at least not at the point when you are there. CB is producing one reaper. There are no reapers in various stages of production along the line. It's just one reaper in production. Even if line exists as we understand it, it would be empty. If parts are not directly syntesized on the reaper, they are produced there on spot and build into it right away. All that assuming if thats how it works and not by some reaper thech - human goo mix that is pumped in the reaper and purposed there.

Do you know how shipyards work? Different parts of a ship are produced simountaniously and put together. It's called efficiency. If reaper do it one-by-one then they are retarded.

Did you ever see a carrier being built? It look like some  took a lightsaber and hacked a normal carrier into neat slices....

Possible Cerberus scenario is just that, one possible scenario. Yes, there is many possible ways to deal with it and there are none to deal with reapers that we know of. But, I have yet to see how is keeping CB way to deal with them. In best case scenario it may be an asset, not very meaningfull in the big picture, nothing more.

The CB is a source of info. We may find a weakness. OR new technology. Better weapons .Better shields. Defense agaisnt indoctrination. an off switch. Lots of possiblities.
The CB gives you a good CHANCE to find something usefull.
Destrying it gives you nothing.

Reapers are reapers. Its a part organic part machine life form. That's all we know about them. Anything else is just assumptions. It was never designed or build to work without it's organic part so I have no idea how I'm supposed to assume that suddenly in any reasonable time we are supposed to work that out.

Do you know how future shipyard will look? Do you know how reaper shipyard look? Even if reaper shipyard can be considered as shipyard. I'm drawing my conclusions from ME lore. There is no indication at any point that there are any parts around let alone working parts.

Better weapons, shields... off switch? Yeah, Harbringer made sure you find that there. I bet he made sure you find working indoctrination devices for that matter.

Yes, you found 3D printer that very well may be 100 times better then the one you already have but it's in enemy territory and you can't move it. At the time you are in you don't know if it's trully secured even. I mean what, you fought few oculus thingies, one collector ship and few collectors on your way. Am I supposed to believe at that point that thats it? No more collectors in entire galaxy? It very well be true but not really any assurance for me, while I'm there that it is so. At that point I also, for sure, can only tell that only Normandy can even reach CB. Normandy, collectors and reapers. Nobody told me otherwise, nor that it can be done in any reasonable time.

Following F22 analogy its like you capture US factory located let's say on Hawai. And F22 fleet is flying to get you. You will do what? Sit there and try to manufacture F22? I would grab what I can, set the charges and got the hell out of there.

At the point while I'm in there I have too little info to justify keeping it. If it would be up to me I would ask some questions to EDI and TIM about security, possibilities, what EDI got, is there anything else in systems etc. to better estimate my situation. Instead i get to ask TIM if he wants to build his own reaper, with no answer...

Maybe I'm assuming some things in reasoning to destroy CB but, from my point of view, I would have to assume a lot more and more unlikely things to think that i need to keep it.

If it's up to me, I would focus on Citadel. It is original reaper tech and they used it for their base of operations for milions of years. If things you hope to gain from CB exists, it's there. If nothing else, at least to try to unlock command codes and beat reapers in their own game aka cut them of from mass relay network.

[marstor05]

ParagonForLife wrote...

Sacrifice 1000 people to save millions seems like a worthy trade off Sacrifice millions to save hundreds of millions still seem like a good trade? how about sacrificing a billion to save billions you keep doing that you will run out of people to sacrifice you do your best to save everyone thats why I didnt like Arrival at all I whould have let the reapers come but Bioware likes RPG games where they force events

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That deserves /unlimited facepalms....

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...
 
Sacrifice 1000 people to save millions seems like a worthy trade off Sacrifice millions to save hundreds of millions still seem like a good trade? how about sacrificing a billion to save billions you keep doing that you will run out of people to sacrifice you do your best to save everyone thats why I didnt like Arrival at all I whould have let the reapers come but Bioware likes RPG games where they force events 

One of the dumbest things I ever heard. So in your first playthrough of Mass Effect 3 you won't mind just letting the Reapers win then?

I don't think a lot changed... Shepard was sitting in a cell, the galaxy didn't prepare sh*t. At least if the reapers would arive then, Shepard would still have Normandy and his crew already at his disposal. I mean Reapers arived and STILL started with batarians. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

He doesn't say that. Quit lying your ass off.
*fifteenlayersofcrapsnip*

Yes, he does.

"Against the Reapers and beyond."

He doesn't say what you think he does. You sooo love to read into thing...

You dont' know what that means, and neither does it matter.

He wants to stop the reapers and is dedicated to it. Cerberus is a resource and an ally. The CB is a resource, and a vital one at that.

It is foolish to throw either away.

And I still stand by my claim of hypocrisy. Neither you, nor any other cerberus-hater managed to even put a dent in it.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...
 
Sacrifice 1000 people to save millions seems like a worthy trade off Sacrifice millions to save hundreds of millions still seem like a good trade? how about sacrificing a billion to save billions you keep doing that you will run out of people to sacrifice you do your best to save everyone thats why I didnt like Arrival at all I whould have let the reapers come but Bioware likes RPG games where they force events 

One of the dumbest things I ever heard. So in your first playthrough of Mass Effect 3 you won't mind just letting the Reapers win then?

I don't think a lot changed... Shepard was sitting in a cell, the galaxy didn't prepare sh*t. 

Doesn't matter, a galaxy-wide extinction was delayed.

No, no I agree. It was a logical choice. Just that it is a shame that it was completely pointless. I mean this guy that didn't want to kill the batarians himself, could still save the galaxy. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 30 janvier 2012 - 12:42 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]BoboIII wrote...
Reapers are reapers. Its a part organic part machine life form. That's all we know about them. Anything else is just assumptions. It was never designed or build to work without it's organic part so I have no idea how I'm supposed to assume that suddenly in any reasonable time we are supposed to work that out.[/quote]

We knoe the CORE is partially organic. The rest of hte reaper isn't.
And it has machien parts... actually 99% of it is machine parts.

It's like saying that dismantling Robocop won't help you at all, and you wont' be able to to use that knowledge to build better robots. It's silly.


[quote]
Do you know how future shipyard will look? Do you know how reaper shipyard look? Even if reaper shipyard can be considered as shipyard. I'm drawing my conclusions from ME lore. There is no indication at any point that there are any parts around let alone working parts.[/quote]

Common sense dictates otehrwise. If a reaper is built there, ti's built in it's entirety. Core AND shell. Do we know anotehr base where the reast can be built? No.
And parralel building is simply efficient. Any race with even a modicum of sense will build like that.

To postulate that reapers don't do it is to postulate that they are morons.


[quote]
Better weapons, shields... off switch? Yeah, Harbringer made sure you find that there. I bet he made sure you find working indoctrination devices for that matter.[/quote]

Harbringer can't physicly move technology. Look around you. Everything in that base is usefull.
The guns inside hte core (and shell). The power cell used in the base. Teh conduits. The electronics.

Every single one of those things can advane our science in many ways, an in multiple areas. Jsut a more efficient conductor or capacitor has million applications - both military adn civilian.

The idea that nothing usefull can come from the abse is so utteerly sensless, I can't even describe it. It's like lookign at the ocean and claimin it's not wet!



[quote]
Yes, you found 3D printer that very well may be 100 times better then the one you already have but it's in enemy territory and you can't move it. [/quote]

Sez who?

[quote]
At the time you are in you don't know if it's trully secured even. I mean what, you fought few oculus thingies, one collector ship and few collectors on your way. Am I supposed to believe at that point that thats it? No more collectors in entire galaxy? It very well be true but not really any assurance for me, while I'm there that it is so. At that point I also, for sure, can only tell that only Normandy can even reach CB. Normandy, collectors and reapers. Nobody told me otherwise, nor that it can be done in any reasonable time.[/quote]

If more collectors come they cen be fought off. Or you can blow the base THEN. FAce it - you can blow it at ANY time. All it takes is one press of a bottun.
Your'e jumping the gun here, by trying ot destroy the bease before even being sure if there IS any danger.

Shep cna quite litteraly place a detonator, go to a bar on the Citadel to chill, and as soon as he recievevs news that there's a trehat to the base, presss the little red bottun.
Whoopty-doo! What massive danger!



[quote]
Following F22 analogy its like you capture US factory located let's say on Hawai. And F22 fleet is flying to get you. You will do what? Sit there and try to manufacture F22? I would grab what I can, set the charges and got the hell out of there.[/quote]

Hold it as long as you can.
There no reasonto get heh hell now, when those F22's can arrive there in a year.
you wont' get another chance at this, so make maxium use of it.
your'e beign too wastefull


[quote]
At the point while I'm in there I have too little info to justify keeping it. If it would be up to me I would ask some questions to EDI and TIM about security, possibilities, what EDI got, is there anything else in systems etc. to better estimate my situation. Instead i get to ask TIM if he wants to build his own reaper, with no answer...[/quote ]

You have everything yo uneed to justify keeping it.


[quote]
If it's up to me, I would focus on Citadel. It is original reaper tech and they used it for their base of operations for milions of years. If things you hope to gain from CB exists, it's there. If nothing else, at least to try to unlock command codes and beat reapers in their own game aka cut them of from mass relay network.
[/quote]

The citadel was DESIGN for lesser races to find it.
The CB was not.
The whole poitn of hte Citadel was for us to use it. They WANT us to do it.
They DON'T want us in the CB.


Do the math.....

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

He doesn't say what you think he does. You sooo love to read into thing...

You dont' know what that means, and neither does it matter.

He wants to stop the reapers and is dedicated to it. Cerberus is a resource and an ally. The CB is a resource, and a vital one at that.

It is foolish to throw either away.

And I still stand by my claim of hypocrisy. Neither you, nor any other cerberus-hater managed to even put a dent in it.

You know what the ultimate hypocrisy is?

Securing your freedom while robbing everyone else of it. That is what Cerberus is trying to do.

By the way, what do you think "AND BEYOND" means? There's no secret message in that. No bull**** play with words. It means that he'll use the technology against anyone he thinks is an enemy of humanity Cerberus.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

One, that isn't hypocrisy.

Two, that isn't what Cerberus is trying to do.

You are extremely gullible if you think that Cerberus won't suppress other races or take things away from them because Cerberus' delusional leader thinks that every race out there is after his head. Then again, if he keeps up with the raging stupidity, they will be.

Wait, let's add other human factions to that as well, since he thinks that Cerberus should be the only one.

But oh wait, they're the ones who have been suppressing humanity's advancements, even though humanity has been given everything they have pointed at for the last thirty years, while other races on their level haven't been given even a fraction of that.

I agree with Saren on that one. Humanity consists of spoiled little brats that needs to learn their place.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 janvier 2012 - 12:58 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
You know what the ultimate hypocrisy is?

Demanding something from othesr you're not willign to give yourself?
Holding a clear double standard and ingoring it despite all evidence to the contrary?

Just like Shep does when he demands the races to work together - regardless of THEIR resons. Becasue they don't matter. THEIR crimes, attrocities, reasoning and hatered have to all be ignored or forgotten..because Shep wants it.

Securing your freedom while robbing everyone else of it. That is what Cerberus is trying to do.

Now if you could only prove that...
Too bad you can't. TIM sez exactly what he sez. Word for word. You can infer all you want, but at no point does TIM Admit what you imply he does.

But you know what? The galaxy is a harsh place. Cerberus wants to maek humantiy number 1. That isnt' a crime.
In fact, the galaxy as it is, it's a smart thing.

You're either dominating or are dominated. Period. To belive otherwise is to dellude oneself.

By the way, what do you think "AND BEYOND" means? There's no secret message in that. No bull**** play with words. It means that he'll use the technology against anyone he thinks is an enemy of humanity Cerberus.

And why shouldn't he?
Are reapers the only threat in the galaxy? Will humanity be without foes after the reapers?

Why do you expect "smooth sailing and bliss" in humanites future? Survival is a struggle.  And turians, salarians and anyone else would do the EXACT SAME THING.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 30 janvier 2012 - 12:57 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Why do you expect "smooth sailing and bliss" in humanites future? Survival is a struggle.  And turians, salarians and anyone else would do the EXACT SAME THING.

Then each of those races would declare themselves independent and work tirelessly to thwart each other.

It's funny how Cerberus is the only secret faction that can't exist without going for the EXTREME measures, like injecting soldiers with thresher maw venom or kidnapping children and torturing them to "break down their mental barriers".

Even though those EXTREME measures aren't needed at all, because Cerberus and its supporters consists of EXTREMELY delusional losers.