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[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Why do you expect "smooth sailing and bliss" in humanites future? Survival is a struggle.  And turians, salarians and anyone else would do the EXACT SAME THING.

Then each of those races would declare themselves independent and work tirelessly to thwart each other.

That's what black ops are for.
To secrety gain more power/influence without provoking a direct conflict.

If they had an overpowering advantage, they'd milk it. But they don't.

Even though those EXTREME measures aren't needed at all, because Cerberus and its supporters consists of EXTREMELY delusional losers.

Given that even perfectly sensible things (like Horizon and CB) are something you consider EXTRREME...your value judgment  is worth nothing.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:22 .

[BoboIII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

BoboIII wrote...
Reapers are reapers. Its a part organic part machine life form. That's all we know about them. Anything else is just assumptions. It was never designed or build to work without it's organic part so I have no idea how I'm supposed to assume that suddenly in any reasonable time we are supposed to work that out.

We knoe the CORE is partially organic. The rest of hte reaper isn't.
And it has machien parts... actually 99% of it is machine parts.

It's like saying that dismantling Robocop won't help you at all, and you wont' be able to to use that knowledge to build better robots. It's silly.

Do you know how future shipyard will look? Do you know how reaper shipyard look? Even if reaper shipyard can be considered as shipyard. I'm drawing my conclusions from ME lore. There is no indication at any point that there are any parts around let alone working parts.

Common sense dictates otehrwise. If a reaper is built there, ti's built in it's entirety. Core AND shell. Do we know anotehr base where the reast can be built? No.
And parralel building is simply efficient. Any race with even a modicum of sense will build like that.

To postulate that reapers don't do it is to postulate that they are morons.

Better weapons, shields... off switch? Yeah, Harbringer made sure you find that there. I bet he made sure you find working indoctrination devices for that matter.

Harbringer can't physicly move technology. Look around you. Everything in that base is usefull.
The guns inside hte core (and shell). The power cell used in the base. Teh conduits. The electronics.

Every single one of those things can advane our science in many ways, an in multiple areas. Jsut a more efficient conductor or capacitor has million applications - both military adn civilian.

The idea that nothing usefull can come from the abse is so utteerly sensless, I can't even describe it. It's like lookign at the ocean and claimin it's not wet!

Yes, you found 3D printer that very well may be 100 times better then the one you already have but it's in enemy territory and you can't move it.

Sez who?

At the time you are in you don't know if it's trully secured even. I mean what, you fought few oculus thingies, one collector ship and few collectors on your way. Am I supposed to believe at that point that thats it? No more collectors in entire galaxy? It very well be true but not really any assurance for me, while I'm there that it is so. At that point I also, for sure, can only tell that only Normandy can even reach CB. Normandy, collectors and reapers. Nobody told me otherwise, nor that it can be done in any reasonable time.

If more collectors come they cen be fought off. Or you can blow the base THEN. FAce it - you can blow it at ANY time. All it takes is one press of a bottun.
Your'e jumping the gun here, by trying ot destroy the bease before even being sure if there IS any danger.

Shep cna quite litteraly place a detonator, go to a bar on the Citadel to chill, and as soon as he recievevs news that there's a trehat to the base, presss the little red bottun.
Whoopty-doo! What massive danger!

Following F22 analogy its like you capture US factory located let's say on Hawai. And F22 fleet is flying to get you. You will do what? Sit there and try to manufacture F22? I would grab what I can, set the charges and got the hell out of there.

Hold it as long as you can.
There no reasonto get heh hell now, when those F22's can arrive there in a year.
you wont' get another chance at this, so make maxium use of it.
your'e beign too wastefull

At the point while I'm in there I have too little info to justify keeping it. If it would be up to me I would ask some questions to EDI and TIM about security, possibilities, what EDI got, is there anything else in systems etc. to better estimate my situation. Instead i get to ask TIM if he wants to build his own reaper, with no answer...[/quote ]

You have everything yo uneed to justify keeping it.

If it's up to me, I would focus on Citadel. It is original reaper tech and they used it for their base of operations for milions of years. If things you hope to gain from CB exists, it's there. If nothing else, at least to try to unlock command codes and beat reapers in their own game aka cut them of from mass relay network.

The citadel was DESIGN for lesser races to find it.
The CB was not.
The whole poitn of hte Citadel was for us to use it. They WANT us to do it.
They DON'T want us in the CB.


Do the math.....

What is robocop without human inside it? What is reaper without reaper core inside it? Reaper parts were raining all over citadel for that matter.

I looked around me and saw an automated facility without any engineers and operated remotely via 'assuming control'. If I'm to suppose that reapers have left anything useful against them there for me to find, I would be ignorant and assuming that reapers are uterly stupid.

I have no idea how much time i have till the reapers come. I have no idea if there are any collectors out there. It may be none, it may be 100 collector ships just about to pass O4 relay. Sitting there with Nomandy is not very good idea. When TIM called me, did he happen to mantion 'hey, we were able to reverse engineer that IFF and we are about to send some ships to reinforce CB. btw, also seems there no collector threat out there anymore'. No, he didn't and i have better thing to do then sit there in hope that nothing bad happens.

Being able to remotly detonate CB from citadel through mass relay network is new to me. If this can be confirmed, you may have a point on this one.

Citadel is there for organics to find it. And use it without never trully understand it's function. Main citadel control is never ment to be found by organics. It is also reapers front door and main base of operation for their usual invasions. It also controls mass relay network. If focusing on citadel secrets is not usefull, I don't know what it is.

My reasoning doesn't make sense to you no matter how I put it. I'm fine with it. Same way your reasoning doesn't make sense to me no matter how you put it. I hope we can agree to disagree and move on.

Modifié par BoboIII, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:39 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Given that even perfectly sensible things (like Horizon and CB) are something you consider EXTRREME...your value judgment  is worth nothing.

You call sacrificing over 300 000 people to confirm what everyone already knew "perfectly sensible" ? 

Oh, man. That's a new low for you.

[Il Divo]

Damn, I can feel the tension rising in here.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Given that even perfectly sensible things (like Horizon and CB) are something you consider EXTRREME...your value judgment  is worth nothing.

You call sacrificing over 300 000 people to confirm what everyone already knew "perfectly sensible" ? 

Oh, man. That's a new low for you.

Where did you get that number?

And yes, it's perfectly sensible.
Name ONE thing Cerberus could have done that would have had a better outcome. Just one. Go ahead!

The Collectors were targeting colonies. All the Alliance sent was a few marines and 4 turrets. So what would be your alternative?

[nitefyre410]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Given that even perfectly sensible things (like Horizon and CB) are something you consider EXTRREME...your value judgment  is worth nothing.

You call sacrificing over 300 000 people to confirm what everyone already knew "perfectly sensible" ? 

Oh, man. That's a new low for you.

Where did you get that number?

And yes, it's perfectly sensible.
Name ONE thing Cerberus could have done that would have had a better outcome. Just one. Go ahead!

The Collectors were targeting colonies. All the Alliance sent was a few marines and 4 turrets. So what would be your alternative?

 


I may not like T.I.M... Cerebus is shady as all hell but  if there is one thing I don't like more than is ineptitude on the Allaince part  and the  right Delusional Denial on the Councils part... 

[Lotion Soronarr]

BoboIII wrote...
What is robocop without human inside it? What is reaper without reaper core inside it? Reaper parts were raining all over citadel for that matter.

Robocop without the human parts is a robot.  (Alex Murphy isn't "inside" it technicly. It's not a suit).
A Reaper without the gooey parts is a starship.

And damaged reaper parts of which only a small fraction were recovered?

I looked around me and saw an automated facility without any engineers and operated remotely via 'assuming control'. If I'm to suppose that reapers have left anything useful against them there for me to find, I would be ignorant and assuming that reapers are uterly stupid.

No, you'd be stupid to assume an entire giant friggin faciltiy that builds super-ships has nothing usefull in it.

I have no idea how much time i have till the reapers come. I have no idea if there are any collectors out there. It may be none, it may be 100 collector ships just about to pass O4 relay. Sitting there with Nomandy is not very good idea. When TIM called me, did he happen to mantion 'hey, we were able to reverse engineer that IFF and we are about to send some ships to reinforce CB. btw, also seems there no collector threat out there anymore'. No, he didn't and i have better thing to do then sit there in hope that nothing bad happens.

As I said- renmote detonator. It takes 5 second to set up.

And if you took the base once, you can take it again.

Being able to remotly detonate CB from citadel through mass relay network is new to me. If this can be confirmed, you may have a point on this one.

Why not? Doesnt' TIM communicate to you while your'e on the CB and he is in his office?
A remote detonator is nothing more than a singnal.

Citadel is there for organics to find it. And use it without never trully understand it's function. Main citadel control is never ment to be found by organics. It is also reapers front door and main base of operation for their usual invasions. It also controls mass relay network. If focusing on citadel secrets is not usefull, I don't know what it is.

Precisely why they won't put anything in there that isn't 100% necessary. Precisely why they will hide or booby-trap anything that is usefull. They know you will eb there. Tehy are counting on it.

The CB is their home turf. They never intended anyone to get their hands on it and the tech inside.

Not saiyng that researching the Citadel sin't usefull - heck I'm all for it. Stupid council races didn't do nothing in that regard.
But the thing is that against the reašpers you need everything you can get. Why limit your options?
Why just the Citadel? The Claggedon weapon? Or whatever?

Look everywhere. Dig up everything you can. Make use of everything you find. No resource should be squandered unless it's ABSOLUTELY necessary.

[Lotion Soronarr]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And yes, it's perfectly sensible.
Name ONE thing Cerberus could have done that would have had a better outcome. Just one. Go ahead!

The Collectors were targeting colonies. All the Alliance sent was a few marines and 4 turrets. So what would be your alternative?

 


I may not like T.I.M... Cerebus is shady as all hell but  if there is one thing I don't like more than is ineptitude on the Allaince part  and the  right Delusional Denial on the Councils part...

To be fair, it was Terminus territory. Sending a large force would be problematic...
But given that colonies are dissapearing, tensions with the Batarians should have been risked.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

See, I never liked that line because it frames the issue incorrectly. It's not a matter of whether another potential route exists; it's a matter of whether there is a reasonable chance of the other way succeeding. If we have a one in a million chance of saving a million lives with no casualties, that's being incredibly unrealistic. In those circumstances, you're still far better off in sacrificing the thousands.

I always thought the assumption with that phrase was "harder, but still reasonable"

See above. The only thing which separates TIM from Mordin is that he's not willing to allow his heart to bleed all over the table in front of Shepard. TIM has never painted himself as a saint, is aware that his methods are questioned by others, and takes those actions anyway.  I don't need TIM to break down and explain to me how painful these actions are for him.

Mordin, for all his cold calculation, still has ethical lines he will not cross.  For example, he doesn't experiment on "any species with members capable of calculus"  He sees such testing as disgusting and wasteful.  WIth thegenophage, he only used computer simulations, cloned tissue, corpses, and varren for the higher-level tests.  I don't believed we've yet seen the line TIM is unwilling to cross.

It's pretty much shown the second that we are provided a motivation for Cerberus which extended farther than "world domination". It was shown by their efforts to aid Shepard with the Collectors. The issue is that you're asking for TIM to explain each individual act which you have taken issue with, and that's simply not in the cards given his character. TIM emphasizes one very important aspect to Shepard; his goal is to advance human interests. He's aware that there are costs as well, but is committed to his position, no different than Mordin. That he doesn't talk about how all the alternate options he could have taken doesn't indicate that it didn't happen. As with any leader, he must consider the most efficient course of action.

Well, Cerberus has so many things to answer for from the first game.  And Shepard may possibly have been the victim of one of their earlier projects.  One which is conspicuously absent from being mentioned even by the weak justifications we're given.

And it's not just what alternatives could have been taken,. but what was the point to begin with?  Why were these tasks so important that such brutal methods were deemed necessarry?  Jack Bauer had a ticking clock.  WHat did Jack Harper have?

 However much of the justification is implicit in the experiment; Subject Zero's experiments had the end goal of improving human biotics, the use of David was intended as a means to control the Geth and AI, etc.  

And the Alliance already had BAaT, and later the Grissom Academy.  What was so important about developing stronger biotics they had to kill a bunch of kids to make one?  If these things were seen as necessary, what was the necessity?

Overlord I can kinda understand, which is in part what made the ending so horrifying.  And one of the few Cerberus Projects I kinda understood the reasoning for (and why I kinda felt dirty for understanding)

[Lotion Soronarr]

iakus wrote...
Mordin, for all his cold calculation, still has ethical lines he will not cross.  For example, he doesn't experiment on "any species with members capable of calculus"  He sees such testing as disgusting and wasteful.  WIth thegenophage, he only used computer simulations, cloned tissue, corpses, and varren for the higher-level tests.  I don't believed we've yet seen the line TIM is unwilling to cross.

And what good did his "ehtics" do to the dead krogan?

And it's not just what alternatives could have been taken,. but what was the point to begin with?  Why were these tasks so important that such brutal methods were deemed necessarry?  Jack Bauer had a ticking clock.  WHat did Jack Harper have?

A ticking clock...till the reapers arive.

[DJBare]

Il Divo wrote...

Damn, I can feel the tension rising in here.

I don't, I just visualize Lotion and Saphra snickering to each other in PM's

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Where did you get that number?

And yes, it's perfectly sensible.
Name ONE thing Cerberus could have done that would have had a better outcome. Just one. Go ahead!

The Collectors were targeting colonies. All the Alliance sent was a few marines and 4 turrets. So what would be your alternative?

Well, for one thing, they could have, you know, not used that colony as bait? Perhaps tell the Alliance about it as well? No? Oh right, because TIM thinks he knows best.

Horizon had about 650 000 people. Half the colony was abducted. Do the math.

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, for one thing, they could have, you know, not used that colony as bait?

Then the Collectors would have hit another colony and taken far more people.

And where exactly were all the cerburus troops, you know, dressed as civilians, ready to protect the "human" colonists, they go in, try to retrieve the colonists while Shepard deals with the targeting system, dang, if only TIM was able to plan beyond his own greed for power, too bad.

[incinerator950]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

And where exactly were all the cerburus troops, you know, dressed as civilians, ready to protect the "human" colonists,

What good would Cerberus troops have been? Without Mordin's counter-measure, which was only read at the last minute, they'd just be fodder for the Collectors.

You should know by now, not even the Alliance has troops to defend locations unless it is a Vital point.  Sending a Cerberus Company wouldn't have accomplished anything either, without that countermeasure.  The Alliance was reinforcing large colonies and evacuating small ones, so they wouldn't have been able to respond.  By baiting the Collectors, you ensure the reaction force (Shepard's Cell) was able to reitaliate. 

Unfortunate, but waiting to trap the Collectors at a relaywouldn't have done much anyway.  Every ship that encounters it ends up spaced.

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...
What good would Cerberus troops have been? Without Mordin's counter-measure, which was only read at the last minute, they'd just be fodder for the Collectors.

See, I knew you would come up with a better plan than me, I'm impressed, all TIM had to do was replace the colonists with his own people, good plan, well done.

[CerberusSoldier]

The alliance has done bad things like use Shepard as a pawn in killing 300,000 Batarians

[BoboIII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

BoboIII wrote...
What is robocop without human inside it? What is reaper without reaper core inside it? Reaper parts were raining all over citadel for that matter.

Robocop without the human parts is a robot.  (Alex Murphy isn't "inside" it technicly. It's not a suit).
A Reaper without the gooey parts is a starship.

And damaged reaper parts of which only a small fraction were recovered?

I looked around me and saw an automated facility without any engineers and operated remotely via 'assuming control'. If I'm to suppose that reapers have left anything useful against them there for me to find, I would be ignorant and assuming that reapers are uterly stupid.

No, you'd be stupid to assume an entire giant friggin faciltiy that builds super-ships has nothing usefull in it.

I have no idea how much time i have till the reapers come. I have no idea if there are any collectors out there. It may be none, it may be 100 collector ships just about to pass O4 relay. Sitting there with Nomandy is not very good idea. When TIM called me, did he happen to mantion 'hey, we were able to reverse engineer that IFF and we are about to send some ships to reinforce CB. btw, also seems there no collector threat out there anymore'. No, he didn't and i have better thing to do then sit there in hope that nothing bad happens.

As I said- renmote detonator. It takes 5 second to set up.

And if you took the base once, you can take it again.

Being able to remotly detonate CB from citadel through mass relay network is new to me. If this can be confirmed, you may have a point on this one.

Why not? Doesnt' TIM communicate to you while your'e on the CB and he is in his office?
A remote detonator is nothing more than a singnal.

Citadel is there for organics to find it. And use it without never trully understand it's function. Main citadel control is never ment to be found by organics. It is also reapers front door and main base of operation for their usual invasions. It also controls mass relay network. If focusing on citadel secrets is not usefull, I don't know what it is.

Precisely why they won't put anything in there that isn't 100% necessary. Precisely why they will hide or booby-trap anything that is usefull. They know you will eb there. Tehy are counting on it.

The CB is their home turf. They never intended anyone to get their hands on it and the tech inside.

Not saiyng that researching the Citadel sin't usefull - heck I'm all for it. Stupid council races didn't do nothing in that regard.
But the thing is that against the reašpers you need everything you can get. Why limit your options?
Why just the Citadel? The Claggedon weapon? Or whatever?

Look everywhere. Dig up everything you can. Make use of everything you find. No resource should be squandered unless it's ABSOLUTELY necessary.

Robocop without a human part is not a robot. Reaper without it's organic part is not a starship. Simple as that. Sure, there are some of base starship elements there, but thats all. Nothing really new. After all, all known technology is actually based on reapers technology. That was their intention.

If that giant facility was building multiple reapers aka multiple starships I would expect to find every kind of technology around. But it wasn't, it was building one reaper, just one. Stil, there wasn't any production line with parts going to be assembled into the reaper. There were tubes with human goo pumping into the reaper.

TIM uses quantum entanglement to comunicate with you. I don't see that as standard remote detonation device. Besides, if there was option to remotely detonate CB I would certainly took it and do the deed from safe distance. Instead, for some reason Shepard activates device and runs out like hell trying to outrun explosion. Why he don't do it remotely, like pragia, I have no idea, I can only assume that for some reason it couldn't be done.

Yes, i took CB once. I took it because i did a complete surprise attack. There is nothing in universe to guarantee me I'll be able to do it again. If there are 100 ships waiting to retake CB, they wont do the same mistake again and leave the base practically unguarded. Until someone confirm me that base is trully secured I would be ignorant to assume that it is. While I'm in there, it may be the only chance to take it down. All other options comes with a lot of 'if'.

Unless I metagaming, I can't justify keeping CB in that particular moment while Shepard is inside. Then again, if I do matagaming keeping CB is giving CB to known enemy as well. So...

I did my choice and only time can tell if it's right or wrong.

[Someone With Mass]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The alliance has done bad things like use Shepard as a pawn in killing 300,000 Batarians

I guess you'd have prefered if the Reapers had killed Shepard and used the Alpha relay to go to the Citadel and taken control of the entire mass relay network and never give anyone a fighting chance to begin with instead.

[nitefyre410]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And yes, it's perfectly sensible.
Name ONE thing Cerberus could have done that would have had a better outcome. Just one. Go ahead!

The Collectors were targeting colonies. All the Alliance sent was a few marines and 4 turrets. So what would be your alternative?

 


I may not like T.I.M... Cerebus is shady as all hell but  if there is one thing I don't like more than is ineptitude on the Allaince part  and the  right Delusional Denial on the Councils part...

 




To be fair, it was Terminus territory. Sending a large force would be problematic...
But given that colonies are dissapearing, tensions with the Batarians should have been risked.

  

Large force yes that would be very problematic  but some serious black ops work , small teams  even if you just   come to understand the nature of threat. 

and Ashely and 4 cannons  is not a serious attempt in my eyes. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:11 .

[CerberusSoldier]

Someone With Mass wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The alliance has done bad things like use Shepard as a pawn in killing 300,000 Batarians

I guess you'd have prefered if the Reapers had killed Shepard and used the Alpha relay to go to the Citadel and taken control of the entire mass relay network and never give anyone a fighting chance to begin with instead.

   



No killing the 300,000 in order to stop the reapers is fine and I totally agree with that but for Shepard to have to be brought up on charges when in essence its really taking the sword up the butt because the alliance is so afraid of sticking up for humanity and its needs would rather make Shepard pawn so the batarians won't go to war with them .

[Lotion Soronarr]

BoboIII wrote...
Robocop without a human part is not a robot. Reaper without it's organic part is not a starship. Simple as that. Sure, there are some of base starship elements there, but thats all. Nothing really new. After all, all known technology is actually based on reapers technology. That was their intention.

No, Robocop wihout the human parts IS a robot. The only difference between a robot and robocop was that a human brain controlled the mechanical body. You could replace the brain with a control chip.

Same thing with the reapers. The "shell" is a starhip. The core is the brain.The reaper is technicly a starship. A living one.

And no the the last one. There will be new things. you know, the first car engine and a jet engine are all based on the same principle - combustion. Are you saying they are the same?
Reaper tech is far more advanced than ours. There is undeniable. Prothean tech jumped humanity technologicly by 200 years. Reaper tech could jump it even more.
It is said so in-game.

If that giant facility was building multiple reapers aka multiple starships I would expect to find every kind of technology around. But it wasn't, it was building one reaper, just one. Stil, there wasn't any production line with parts going to be assembled into the reaper. There were tubes with human goo pumping into the reaper.

What part of "you only seen 0.001 of the entire internal volume" escapes you? Have you any idea how long hte game would last if you went all around the base? Heck, you only visited a small part of the Collector Cruiser and it is only a fraction of the size of the base!!

And shipyards generally build ship one by one within a single drydock. Yet they still work on different parts of a single ship at once. Because it's the SMARTEST WAY TO DO IT. Some things just naturaly lead to something.
Serisously, you are arguming some really stupid stuff here.

TIM uses quantum entanglement to comunicate with you. I don't see that as standard remote detonation device. Besides, if there was option to remotely detonate CB I would certainly took it and do the deed from safe distance. Instead, for some reason Shepard activates device and runs out like hell trying to outrun explosion. Why he don't do it remotely, like pragia, I have no idea, I can only assume that for some reason it couldn't be done.

If you choose the option to blow it up, Shepard doesn't wait at all. So it's a moot point.
A remote detonator is a logical possibility and plusible in-universe.

All other options comes with a lot of 'if'.

and takign it out comes also with a lot of if's.
Like "what if there was something of value left?"
"What if we need hte base to win?"
"What if htere are no more collectors?"

As I said - you're jumping the gun. There was no indication any Collector ships were on their way, was there?

Unless I metagaming, I can't justify keeping CB in that particular moment while Shepard is inside.

Funny that's it's exactly hte opposite. I cna't justify blowing it up wihout heavy metagaming.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, for one thing, they could have, you know, not used that colony as bait? Perhaps tell the Alliance about it as well? No? Oh right, because TIM thinks he knows best.

A colony would have been hit either way. It was unavoidable.

And they DID tell the Alliance. Why do you think Ashley was there?

And if the Alliance did bring the navy in? The Collectors would have picked another colony to attack.

Horizon had about 650 000 people. Half the colony was abducted. Do the math.

And all of your alternatives end up with far more peoplel abducted, no damage to the Collector ship and no info...
Brilliant Sherlock! I'm glad you're not the one defending me.

[Lotion Soronarr]

DJBare wrote...
And where exactly were all the cerburus troops, you know, dressed as civilians, ready to protect the "human" colonists, they go in, try to retrieve the colonists while Shepard deals with the targeting system, dang, if only TIM was able to plan beyond his own greed for power, too bad.

Where would Cerberus get 300 000 troopers?
How would it get them to the colony wihout anyone noticing? How woudl it get the colonists out? Or to agree with their presence?
Of what use would they be against the collecor ship and seeker swarms?
What about all the other colonies that might get hit?


Obviously you aren't familiar with efficient use of resources...