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#1476
Someone With Mass

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I know your reasoning well by now, dear. You don't ever stop.


It's intensely ironic that you're accusing me of repeating myself, when you're constantly referring to me as "dear". Which is in its incredibly unoriginal, because the whole Cerberus Defense Force is doing that. Not to mention that it's a little old by now, because it just makes you look so stuck up.

Funny how that works.

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HiroVoid

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Maybe you'll should stop insulting each other, and try to have a reasonable debate?

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Zatou

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Yeah. Dwarves always speak the truth.
So quit your ****ing.

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Phaedon wrote...

In that case, yours, on this topic is either non-existant, or fraudulent.


I see, so I imagined all of it. Maybe I'm imagining this too?

Phaedon wrote...

Supranational empathy has been noted during all major natural or otherwise, disasters, in recent times.


So has apathy.


Tribalism, and by tribalism I mean the proper use of the term, has actually almost ceased around the world, with the last tribes that remain to be generally maintaining their structure. You won't hear about new tribes being formed all of a sudden. Tribes are dead.


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That's not the kind of tribalism I'm talking about. Any group of related (be it through blood or geography or ideas, ect) of human is a "tribe".


Phaedon wrote...

While affection may not be spread evenly, there is no argument against the fact that the longer the sound of the human voice can go, the larger the human unions will be.


Indeed, but that doesn't mean internal divisions disappear. Nations can fall apart too and they do it more easily than they form.




Phaedon wrote...

"Empathy can motivate you to hate without any trouble "
Empathy is not the instinct that does that.


Sure it is.

Empathy of your tribe, necessitates hatred of another under the right circumstances.


Phaedon wrote...

"My group's needs before yours" is a deadly approach. Which further proves that your BS about supporting survivalism is well, BS.


It's not deadly; it's practical.

Phaedon wrote...

You directly do so.


Where did I say we were better off under tribalism? (or with tribalism) I don't think it is ideal, but it is necessary. It's also very natural.

Phaedon wrote...

The suggestion that humans, although progressively empathetic, have to always be divided is a direct contradiction to the fact that we are soft-wired to merge with one another.


We merge into groups, but not all the same group.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 31 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .


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Someone With Mass wrote...

It's intensely ironic that you're accusing me of repeating myself, when you're constantly referring to me as "dear". Which is in its incredibly unoriginal, because the whole Cerberus Defense Force is doing that. Not to mention that it's a little old by now, because it just makes you look so stuck up.

Funny how that works.


You should look in a morror sometime, SWM.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

BoboIII wrote...

I know what retcon is. If that particular example is retcon depends how is executed in ME3 in it's entirety.


You are a very good Biodrone. Bioware must be proud.


If you cared to read my whole post you would see words 'stupid writing' in there.

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iakus wrote...

I always thought the assumption with that phrase was "harder, but still reasonable"

Mordin, for all his cold calculation, still has ethical lines he will not cross.  For example, he doesn't experiment on "any species with members capable of calculus"  He sees such testing as disgusting and wasteful.  WIth thegenophage, he only used computer simulations, cloned tissue, corpses, and varren for the higher-level tests.  I don't believed we've yet seen the line TIM is unwilling to cross.


Following that quote you listed, there shouldn't have to be one. Previously, I thought your argument was that we don't see TIM's justification. That's extremely different from saying that  TIM must have ethical boundaries, which is still in defiance of Anderson's quote. 

Ultimately, if one's "line" begins at genocide and ends at human experimentation, I think the person has bigger issues to consider than simply ethics.

And it's not just what alternatives could have been taken,. but what was the point to begin with?  Why were these tasks so important that such brutal methods were deemed necessarry?  Jack Bauer had a ticking clock.  WHat did Jack Harper have?

And the Alliance already had BAaT, and later the Grissom Academy.  What was so important about developing stronger biotics they had to kill a bunch of kids to make one?  If these things were seen as necessary, what was the necessity?


But you listed the necessity; forge stronger human biotics. My point is this: unless you're asserting that Cerberus is killing people for the lolz, which doesn't seem to be the case based on our interactions with TIM, they are always doing it with higher goals in sight. You may not like the goals, but it's not torture for mindless pleasure.

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Yeah, that's enough insults and fighting.


LOCKDOWN!



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