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[Calibration Master]

ABCoLD wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

mrsph wrote...

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I've yet to hear anyone offer a justification for Akuze and Corporal Toombs. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt about not knowing about the thresher maw as Toombs said, they took at least Toombs, if not more who didn't survive their experiments, and tortured him, all in the name of SCIENCE! and humanity. Tell me, what part of 'human dominance' justifies treating humans as lab rats?

To build up immunity to thresher maw venom and poison all the aliens with it later.

Thresher Maws aren't poisonous

Yes they are. Try fighting a Thresher Maw on foot in ME1 and see for yourself when the Maw's venom spit hits you.

That's acid, thanks for playing. 

Who said that's acid? 

Also, an acid can be a form of poison (or a poison can be a form of acid, whatever). So yeah, go figure.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...
They blow up civilian transports, kidnap free citizens, sell arms to criminals and assassinate people for political ends.   What definition of terrorist are you operating from?!

None of that is terrorism unless they explicitly state "We're Cerberus. We did that. Fear us because we did that and do what we say".

When Cerberus does those things they do it on the hush hush.

Lol. You dont have to be discrete and actually say ``fear us`` to in incur fear.

So according to your flawed logic, most countries and a fair share of corporations and organisations are terroristic?

[Kid Buu]

Skullheart wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...
You mean the Alliance?

What was the Alliance doing during two years when the collectors started to abduct colonists?

And we need a shadow organization. Helping humanity with not being noted.

That was humanity`s fault for colonizing in the Terminus systems anyway.

And supposedly helping humanity does not justify everything Cerberus does.

I said we need an organization to look for human interest. But Cerberus is the only that fits that role.

If there can be any other group dedicated to human progression, without the evil thing of Cerberus, then I don't have any problem.

By example not everyone in Cerberus is evil and racist. There should be a better Cerberus with Miranda, Oleg and Brynn as the leaders.

No, they only willingly work for and support an organization that fits that descrption. Thats much better.
Supporting and looking out for humanity still does not justify everything they do. And its clear that the vast majority of things they do are in this category.

[Calibration Master]

jreezy wrote...

• ineluctably political in aims and motives
• violent – or, equally important, threatens violence
• designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target
• conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure
• perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity

^Sounds like Cerberus to me.

I don't know which games you have been playing, but that doesn't sound like Cerberus at all.

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Designed to have a far-reaching psychological repercussion beyond the immediate victim? Nope, Cerberus is not designed for that.

[Kid Buu]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...
They blow up civilian transports, kidnap free citizens, sell arms to criminals and assassinate people for political ends.   What definition of terrorist are you operating from?!

None of that is terrorism unless they explicitly state "We're Cerberus. We did that. Fear us because we did that and do what we say".

When Cerberus does those things they do it on the hush hush.

Lol. You dont have to be discrete and actually say ``fear us`` to in incur fear.

So according to your flawed logic, most countries and a fair share of corporations and organisations are terroristic?

Lol? Comprehention is your friend. I never said that, what I did say was that a terrorist organisation does not literally need to say ``fear us.`` You can be subtle. Or you can NOT be subtle but just not verbally say ``fear us.``

Honestly, its not a hard concept, Kaiser.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:47 .

[Calibrationmaster]

Cerberus needs to be destroyed, they are terrorists, murders, racists.

i Hope that in the new mass effect we have a mission to place a a big facking bomb on TIM´s house

[Kaiser Shepard]

Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...
They blow up civilian transports, kidnap free citizens, sell arms to criminals and assassinate people for political ends.   What definition of terrorist are you operating from?!

None of that is terrorism unless they explicitly state "We're Cerberus. We did that. Fear us because we did that and do what we say".

When Cerberus does those things they do it on the hush hush.

Lol. You dont have to be discrete and actually say ``fear us`` to in incur fear.

So according to your flawed logic, most countries and a fair share of corporations and organisations are terroristic?

Lol? Comprehention is your friend. I never said that, what I did say was that a terrorist organisation does not literally need to say ``fear us.`` You can be subtle.

The goals of their actions aren't to induce fear, hence they aren't a terroristic organisation. Simple as that.

[Kid Buu]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...
They blow up civilian transports, kidnap free citizens, sell arms to criminals and assassinate people for political ends.   What definition of terrorist are you operating from?!

None of that is terrorism unless they explicitly state "We're Cerberus. We did that. Fear us because we did that and do what we say".

When Cerberus does those things they do it on the hush hush.

Lol. You dont have to be discrete and actually say ``fear us`` to in incur fear.

So according to your flawed logic, most countries and a fair share of corporations and organisations are terroristic?

Lol? Comprehention is your friend. I never said that, what I did say was that a terrorist organisation does not literally need to say ``fear us.`` You can be subtle.

The goals of their actions aren't to induce fear, hence they aren't a terroristic organisation. Simple as that.

IDK. Looking at the definition of Terrorism, it seems like they fall under that category.

[didymos1120]

Calibration Master wrote...

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Well, since Invasion actually.

[Calibration Master]

ABCoLD wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

Nope. You're wrong.

A black ops organisation is not per definition backed by their government. A black ops organisation can also be backed by a corporation, like Cerberus, who is backed by Cord-Hislop Aerospace industries.

And when a black ops organisation goes rogue, it does not automatically mean they're terrorists. Terrorists try to inflict fear on the general public and their enemies. The main goal of a terrorist act is to inflict fear. Terrorists use fear as a means to an end. Cerberus doesn't do that.

Cite references.

Use Wikipedia. It's not that hard.

Here ya go: http://en.wikipedia....Black_operation


But if you look up "black ops" anywhere else, you'll always find something along the lines of: "a covert operation so planned as to permit plausible denial by the sponsor."

Read the last part: BY THE SPONSOR


Not a single source says that this sponsor has to be a government. This sponsor can also ba e company, which is the case for Cerberus (their sponsor is Cord-Hislop Aerospace and a few Alliance officials that pay Cerberus under the table).

Modifié par Calibration Master, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:52 .

[Apocsapel91]

When it comes to Cerberus, I can't give a straight answer on how I feel about them. They've done enough to warrant my hate, but also, their actions have often prevented disaster. I guess the best way I can put it is that I agree with most (not all) of their goals, but I have severe qualms about their methods.

[Calibration Master]

didymos1120 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Well, since Invasion actually.

Haven't read Invasion yet.

[didymos1120]

jreezy wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

IDK. Looking at the definition of Terrorism, it seems like they fall under that category.

Yeah the stuff in my post was from the definition of Terrorism

That's not "the definition".  There really is no one definition of terrorism, which is a big part of why we continually have these arguments about Cerberus.  Those are some characteristics that one researcher set forth as common to terrorist organizations.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:57 .

[Kid Buu]

They are a terrorist black ops group .

[ABCoLD]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The goals of their actions aren't to induce fear, hence they aren't a terroristic organisation. Simple as that.

Insurgent forces in middle eastern countries the US operates in plant roadside IEDs.  They know these devices won't deter or cause fear in US forces, or make them leave.  By your definition their actions are not terroristic.

[Kid Buu]

Calibration Master wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Well, since Invasion actually.

Haven't read Invasion yet.

Its probably as bad as every comic that is about cerberus- of wait, thats all of them.

[Calibrationmaster]

Calibration Master wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Well, since Invasion actually.

Haven't read Invasion yet.

i finished last night , cerberus is ****ing disgusting , read the novels too.

[Calibration Master]

Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...
They blow up civilian transports, kidnap free citizens, sell arms to criminals and assassinate people for political ends.   What definition of terrorist are you operating from?!

None of that is terrorism unless they explicitly state "We're Cerberus. We did that. Fear us because we did that and do what we say".

When Cerberus does those things they do it on the hush hush.

Lol. You dont have to be discrete and actually say ``fear us`` to in incur fear.

So according to your flawed logic, most countries and a fair share of corporations and organisations are terroristic?

Lol? Comprehention is your friend. I never said that, what I did say was that a terrorist organisation does not literally need to say ``fear us.`` You can be subtle.

The goals of their actions aren't to induce fear, hence they aren't a terroristic organisation. Simple as that.

IDK. Looking at the definition of Terrorism, it seems like they fall under that category.

Look at the definition of black operation, or covert operation, or paramilitairy. It seems like they fit that definition much more. Cerberus doesn't fit the definition of terrorism at all. Cerberus falls under the caterogy black ops / covert ops / paramilitairy.

Modifié par Calibration Master, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:57 .

[Kid Buu]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Well, since Invasion actually.

Haven't read Invasion yet.

i finished last night , cerberus is ****ing disgusting , read the novels too.

they are just as bad in the novels. IMO Cerberus ruined ME.

Cerberus and everyone that works for them needs to and will die in ME3.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:57 .

[Calibration Master]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Calibration Master wrote...

Threatens violence? Since when does Cerberus threaten with violence?

Well, since Invasion actually.

Haven't read Invasion yet.

i finished last night , cerberus is ****ing disgusting , read the novels too.

I've read the novels. All of them. I've also read the comics. All except for Invasion.

[JGray]

I suppose the technicality doesn't matter. Terrorist. Black ops. Paramilitary. Well funded militia. Corporation.

Their deeds are what the thread was established to judge.

[Skullheart]

Kid Buu wrote...
No, they only willingly work for and support an organization that fits that descrption. Thats much better.

They joined Cerberus by its ideals. Together they can create a better organization than cerberus and still look for human interests.

Supporting and looking out for humanity still does not justify everything they do. And its clear that the vast majority of things they do are in this category.

I want shadow organization with pro-human goals, just that not as incometent or ruthless as Cerberus. Or you are against of any pro-human group willingly to make thing possible?