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[PMC65]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You're missing the point; handing over your friend's dead body to a black ops group that they're probably against is not something a reasonable person does.  And she doens't rationalize it differently, it's just because she couldn't stand to be without Shepard.  That's rather obsessive and dark, not charming.  Then she has various keepsakes of Shepard (which would be normal if it wasn't a piece of the armor you were wearing while you died).

And this seems to be a very bitter pill for her.

"I couldn't let you go," never seemed a declaration of love but an admission of failure on her part.

That is why I loved that line ... the pain, the failure, the weakness. 

Me at the screen: "Girlfriend, join the club! How I wish that I had been stronger when ..."

[BlueMagitek]

PMC65 wrote...

Don't get me started on how they had the whole Benezia getting gunned down in front of Liara. That should have been handled differently ... but oh, well. Whoot there it is!

I knew that red sand was responsible for some crazy crap in the game ... Looking at Miranda agreeing with the destruction of the collector base.

Eh, it happens.  It's the Krogan blood, ya see.

Yeah, the ending bit was handled pretty badly.  Everyone hates you despite their opinion beforehand if you keep the base and all love you if you destroy it. ~_~

I'm thinking that last part was either purposefully changed or not finished.

[Barquiel]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You're missing the point; handing over your friend's dead body to a black ops group that they're probably against is not something a reasonable person does.  And she doens't rationalize it differently, it's just because she couldn't stand to be without Shepard.  That's rather obsessive and dark, not charming.  Then she has various keepsakes of Shepard (which would be normal if it wasn't a piece of the armor you were wearing while you died).

And she does this, with the same line of thinking (must get Shepard back because of my emotions), regardless of how you treat her in ME 1, or when you save her in ME 1. 

"I really think you should let the dead rest. This isn't what I brought Shepard back for..."

Liara doesn't really like the resurrection idea.

[BlueMagitek]

PMC65 wrote...

And this seems to be a very bitter pill for her.

"I couldn't let you go," never seemed a declaration of love but an admission of failure on her part.

That is why I loved that line ... the pain, the failure, the weakness. 

Me at the screen: "Girlfriend, join the club! How I wish that I had been stronger when ..."

If you're strong enough to abandon your friend to the SB after getting back your other friend's body, I really wouldn't worry about your strength.

And even if she didn't have the strength, that's part of the obsession I was talking about.  It isn't very good and it creeps me out.

Barquiel wrote...

"I really think you should let the dead rest. This isn't what I brought Shepard back for..."

Liara doesn't really like the resurrection idea.

She goes along with it though.  She could have cremated Shepard and be done with it, but she goes for it anyway.

[Barquiel]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

"I really think you should let the dead rest. This isn't what I brought Shepard back for..."

Liara doesn't really like the resurrection idea.

She goes along with it though.  She could have cremated Shepard and be done with it, but she goes for it anyway.

She didn't know why Cerberus wants Shepard body. She just agreed because TIM mentioned the involvement of the collectors.

So in the end, she is on some cerberus station...alone...and Miranda tells her that Cerberus wants to bring Shepard back. What was she supposed to do, steal Shepard body (again^_^) and fight her way out?

Modifié par Barquiel, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:20 .

[Ryzaki]

Uh...and she tells Shep that she couldn't let her friend die.

I'm gonna go with what I experienced in the game. She gave Shep to Cerberus so he wouldn't stay dead. A romanced Shep she "couldn't let go." (pretty sure the same applies for a non-romanced Shep but she has enough tact not to say such).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:20 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Frankly having Shep's busted armor in a case is where my Shep started getting distrubed.

I rarely talked to her in the first game, and never got the "I want to screw you, Commander" speech. When Lair rolled around, I stood and stared at the case for 45 seconds, thinking it was some sort of rock.

Me: What the hell IS that?
Shepard: It's a piece of my old armour....
Me: OMGLOLWUT
Vasir: Looks like somebody didn't like you much.
Me: Moar like somebody liked me a little too much. Amirite?

So yes. That happened.

[PMC65]

BlueMagitek wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Don't get me started on how they had the whole Benezia getting gunned down in front of Liara. That should have been handled differently ... but oh, well. Whoot there it is!

I knew that red sand was responsible for some crazy crap in the game ... Looking at Miranda agreeing with the destruction of the collector base.

Eh, it happens.  It's the Krogan blood, ya see.

Yeah, the ending bit was handled pretty badly.  Everyone hates you despite their opinion beforehand if you keep the base and all love you if you destroy it. ~_~

I'm thinking that last part was either purposefully changed or not finished.

It's even more stupid when some of your squad votes "yes, keep is wise" (Mordin & Grunt for example) on the CB and then do an about face on the Normandy. Something was off there with ALL of your crew having the same "Destroy the base - good / Keep the base - bad" opinion. Really?

Red sand strikes again!

[Ryzaki]

More like keep the base = good, give it to Cerberus = Horrible and WTF are you thinking?

[What a Succulent Ass]

A romanced Shep she "couldn't let go." (pretty sure the same applies for a non-romanced Shep but she has enough tact not to say such).

No she doesn't. The dialogue is the same for romanced or unromanced Shepards.

[Ryzaki]

Random Jerkface wrote...

A romanced Shep she "couldn't let go." (pretty sure the same applies for a non-romanced Shep but she has enough tact not to say such).

No she doesn't. The dialogue is the same for romanced or unromanced Shepards.

Good grief Liara.

[PMC65]

BlueMagitek wrote...

And even if she didn't have the strength, that's part of the obsession I was talking about.  It isn't very good and it creeps me out.

No debate here on that ...

Even my one Shepard that romanced her is really concerned about her "obsessive" trait but not as much as the non-romanced ones. Well, PV Shepard never gave it a second thought because he just isn't that "deep" ... He prefers to focus on what is today. Period. 

Her "obsessiveness" is part of her strength and weakness ... I have a friend who is researching cancer and he is really obsessive about it ... that is a good thing for humanity, although I'm not sure if it is really a good thing for him. It makes him happy, so I would say its good. Liara was obsessive about the protheans, which was a positive obsession in that it might help defeat the reapers ... just as her obsession with Shepard had a positive effect. Creepy in her potential motivation but positive in outcome.

Now will her obsession turn dark as in "It's either me or death, Shepard!" Probably not ... or at least my non-romanced Shepards hope not.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Good grief Liara

Imagine my surprise when I got to Illium.

Liara: Did Cerberus ever tell you how they recovered your body? I gave it to them. I gave you to them, Shepard.
Shepard: You gave my body to Cerberus? Why?
Liara: Because I couldn't let you go.
Me: Wat?

And then Lair happened. Had to go replay ME after that, where I learnt that she'd wanted Shepard's vagina since the first game.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

More like keep the base = good, give it to Cerberus = Horrible and WTF are you thinking?

Who else could claim the base?  The Council or Alliance?  In the middle of the Terminus Systems?  Why, there aren't even any Quarian settlements to bomb, no reason for them to get involved.

Barquiel wrote...

She didn't know why Cerberus wants Shepard body. She just agreed because TIM mentioned the involvement of the collectors.

So
in the end, she is on some cerberus station...alone...and Miranda tells
her that Cerberus wants to bring Shepard back. What was she supposed to
do, steal Shepard body (again[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]) and fight her way out?

Biotically rip Shepard apart to prevent desecration.  :innocent:

PMC65 wrote...

It's even more stupid when some of your
squad votes "yes, keep is wise" (Mordin & Grunt for example) on the
CB and then do an about face on the Normandy. Something was off there
with ALL of your crew having the same "Destroy the base - good / Keep
the base - bad" opinion. Really?

Red sand strikes again! ../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png

Yeah, what's what I was referring to.   ~_~

Next up, indoctrinated people on red sand.  Who were exposed to the Prothean Beacon.  'n stuff.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Who else could claim the base?  The Council or Alliance?  In the middle of the Terminus Systems?  Why, there aren't even any Quarian settlements to bomb, no reason for them to get involved.

Hey I never accused the pro-keeping the base people of thinking it through.

Random Jerkface wrote...

Good grief Liara

Imagine my surprise when I got to Illium.

Liara: Did Cerberus ever tell you how they recovered your body? I gave it to them. I gave you to them, Shepard.
Shepard: You gave my body to Cerberus? Why?
Liara: Because I couldn't let you go.
Me: Wat?

And then Lair happened. Had to go replay ME after that, where I learnt that she'd wanted Shepard's vagina since the first game.

And now my Shep wants to run screaming. Run Shep run!

edit: Wait though. I'm pretty sure she says "I couldn't let my best friend die!" to a non-romanced Shep after he asks why she gave him to Cerberus. Then Shep shuts up like that's some sort of world winning arguement and not complete tripe.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[Billabong2011]

Quite frankly I thought the character of Liara PERIOD in LotSB was better than ME1 Liara, Kaidan, and Ashley combined. The bickering during the car chase? PRICELESS! And not just funny, but it really gave her and Shepard some life, as well as some vitality to the plausibility of their relationship, friendship, romance, or otherwise. One of the strongest character relationship demonstrations, IMHO.

[What a Succulent Ass]

That's quality in character interaction, not quality in character.

[Asari_Party]

Liara's romance was well done. It is nicely woven into the story.
Ashley is one of the better written love interests too (at least in ME1), but her character is not my cup of tea.
Kaidan is boring to romance, imo.

[BatmanPWNS]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Good grief Liara

Imagine my surprise when I got to Illium.

Liara: Did Cerberus ever tell you how they recovered your body? I gave it to them. I gave you to them, Shepard.
Shepard: You gave my body to Cerberus? Why?
Liara: Because I couldn't let you go.
Me: Wat?

And then Lair happened. Had to go replay ME after that, where I learnt that she'd wanted Shepard's vagina since the first game.

I agree when she first said she couldn't let me go I was like:

<_<

My gosh, she should really tone her obession down.

[Yuqi]

I agree with Roxy,Kaiden is boring...lol

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...


Hey I never accused the pro-keeping the base people of thinking it through.

You say it as though giving the base to Cerberus is a bad thing. 

[What a Succulent Ass]

Yuqi wrote...

I agree with Roxy,Kaiden is boring...lol

Nah, I wouldn't say he's boring - he's actually the sort of guy I'd go for IRL. His romance, though, like all ME romances (and some more than others) was poorly executed.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
You say it as though giving the base to Cerberus is a bad thing. 

They could very easily see it as such.

And given TIM's slasher smile at the end I'm inclined to agree.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

They could very easily see it as such.

And given TIM's slasher smile at the end I'm inclined to agree.

Eh, I'd rather let someone who is *probably* on my side have all that knowledge than just destroying it.

But I do not want to turn this into a Base decision topic, so I'm going to leave it at that.

I've never run a FemShep to romance Kaiden, but I don't think I can seperate him from Carth (not that there was anything wrong with Carth; I liked the guy).  I mean, does FemShep really want to be step mother to an angsty Sith Trainee?  

[FryPanNN]

Long post, be warned!

You know, I've wrote about this some time ago and it's good to know that there are a lot of people that didn't like the way they took the Liara arc too. I do understand the ones who defend the character and it's good that they will get a satisfying experience in ME3 finishing their story of friendship/love with her.

But there is still us, the ones who stopped caring for Liara after ME1. Thinking in Shepard's perspective, fighting an immeasurable force of destruction (The Reapers) and Cerberus, a rogue group that do twisted experiments with husks, rachni, etc. in ME1, then dying, being resurrected by that group to continue fighting the Reapers is bad enough.

You are with people you don't trust, who do things you (probably) don't approve, most of your old friends disapprove what you're doing, they don't trust you anymore, but you are there for the greater good, to save the galaxy with the only group willing to do something about it. You're still in charge, at least, don't need to do things their way at all.
This is my choice (oh irony) to work with Cerberus, I'm not forcing anyone to join them, but asking them to save the galaxy.

If I could choose to stay dead, I will damn sure stay. I've done my part, destroyed Sovereign, and the rest of the galaxy should finish what I've started. But that is not what happens, so I will continue the damn fight with anyone who chooses to help me.

Then Liara tells me (only because I insist, doing her quests or giving intel on the Shadowbroker) that she is the one responsible for me ending up with Cerberus in the first place, because "she couldn't let me go" and the game forces me to keep being friendly with her?

Don't tell me  that is a good thing to do, because it's because of her that I'm alive. I saved her ass too on Therum years ago, but I didn't ask anything from her, she chose to help me. Certainly not giving my body to a terrorist group which I was fighting before, with her!
The game says no one in recorded history has been resurrected before, but Liara believes the Illusive Man, (an alien, leader of this group she was fighting at my side) just because he tells her he wants Shepard revived.

If she has recovered my body from the Collectors but given me a proper burial, I would be the most grateful dead body on the galaxy, but she instead gave me to Cerberus.

I can't even start to say the stupid things that happened at that point, in another post, maybe.

Modifié par FryPanNN, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:16 .