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[CaptainZaysh]

1136342t54 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Liselle was Aria's daughter.

And, 1136342t54, those are still protagonists - a protagonist doesn't have to be a hero.

And? The poster I responded to were saying name good novels that don't have heroes and gave it to him.

You've misunderstood, but it's my fault for using the word "hero" in place of the more accurate word "protagonist".  Obviously Great Expectations would be a pretty crummy story without Pip, right?  That's my point: this book has no Pip.

[Yuoaman]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Another small issue: why'd that volus say "Earth people"? Shouldn't he have said "Earth-clan"?

Noticed that to (though -clan seems to actually be a respectful form of address). But considering that this is the same novel with such gems as "Kai Leng hated them because they were aliens. That made him an extremist, not to mention a racist..." there are much bigger issues at hand.

I don't know, I saw that as unintentionally funny.

Well, I laughed.

[TMA LIVE]

Did Anderson get his job back? He says he was retired from the navy, yet is still called an Admiral, will continue to be called that in ME3?

[Yuoaman]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Liselle was Aria's daughter.

And, 1136342t54, those are still protagonists - a protagonist doesn't have to be a hero.

And? The poster I responded to were saying name good novels that don't have heroes and gave it to him.

You've misunderstood, but it's my fault for using the word "hero" in place of the more accurate word "protagonist".  Obviously Great Expectations would be a pretty crummy story without Pip, right?  That's my point: this book has no Pip.

Well The Wheel of Time is another series with a ton of tenuously related plotlines going off on their own except for when they have to intersect. While Rand is nominally the protagonist he usually gets the least screen time of the three main leads.

[TMA LIVE]

Yuoaman wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Another small issue: why'd that volus say "Earth people"? Shouldn't he have said "Earth-clan"?

At least that was done properly later.

BUT THAT FIRST TIME RUINED THE BOOK FOR ME.

Meh, I can live with that one, since he's talking about a group of people then an individual.

[Yuoaman]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Did Anderson get his job back? He says he was retired from the navy, yet is still called an Admiral, will continue to be called that in ME3?

I think he was just fired from his duties on the Citadel or something.

[Heimdall]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

A lot of stories don't have a clear hero or a hero at all. Not all stories need one to be a good story.

Again, that's bulls**t.  Name one.

A Song of Ice and Fire series, ever read them?

[didymos1120]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Did Anderson get his job back? He says he was retired from the navy, yet is still called an Admiral, will continue to be called that in ME3?

That's not that unusual.  Ex-military do sometimes get referred to by their former rank. See "Major Kyle" in ME1. As for ME3, I'm assuming he gets recalled to duty at some point.

[didymos1120]

C9316 wrote...

And I love how TIM seems like some cheap Mafia boss in this book. "Our credibility is at stake yo!" and that bit with the bioweapon that could apparently kill TIM needs to be scraped....

I'm also curious how this could possibly make their reputation so much worse than it already is.

[CaptainZaysh]

I actually thought the tailored bioweapon was quite a clever Macguffin. It establishes both (a) TIM is important enough and hard to kill enough that somebody is willing to tailor a bioweapon to end him and ( its very nature compels TIM to seek it urgently. Clever.

The bit I thought that was stupid was that it would be engineered then not deployed, but sold at an incredibly low security auction. Kai Leng should have been preventing its completion, not stealing it from a volus with a gavel.

ARGH THIS BOOK IS SO ANNOYING

[Yuoaman]

Lord Aesir wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

A lot of stories don't have a clear hero or a hero at all. Not all stories need one to be a good story.

Again, that's bulls**t.  Name one.

A Song of Ice and Fire series, ever read them?

Well ASOIAF has a lot of protagonists, but heroes are in very short supply - it, like WOT, has a lot of plot threads running concurrently, with none really getting precedence.

[C9316]

didymos1120 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

And I love how TIM seems like some cheap Mafia boss in this book. "Our credibility is at stake yo!" and that bit with the bioweapon that could apparently kill TIM needs to be scraped....

I'm also curious how this could possibly make their reputation so much worse than it already is.

Perhaps TIM thinks the council will stop dragging their feet and start sending spectres and the like to actively hunt them?

[1136342t54_]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Liselle was Aria's daughter.

And, 1136342t54, those are still protagonists - a protagonist doesn't have to be a hero.

And? The poster I responded to were saying name good novels that don't have heroes and gave it to him.

You've misunderstood, but it's my fault for using the word "hero" in place of the more accurate word "protagonist".  Obviously Great Expectations would be a pretty crummy story without Pip, right?  That's my point: this book has no Pip.

You could say that the novel wouldn't be the same without a few of the other characters to.  The book is told using multiple different view points. Done right it could make the book pretty good. Plus why do you need one character to root for to make it good? Gillian, Anderson and Kahlee can be used as characters you can root for. 

[didymos1120]

double post

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:41 .

[1136342t54_]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

A lot of stories don't have a clear hero or a hero at all. Not all stories need one to be a good story.

Again, that's bulls**t.  Name one.

A Song of Ice and Fire series, ever read them?

Well ASOIAF has a lot of protagonists, but heroes are in very short supply - it, like WOT, has a lot of plot threads running concurrently, with none really getting precedence.

I was going to mention this also. It has a lot of protagonists but not a singular one they simply focus on.

[didymos1120]

C9316 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

And I love how TIM seems like some cheap Mafia boss in this book. "Our credibility is at stake yo!" and that bit with the bioweapon that could apparently kill TIM needs to be scraped....

I'm also curious how this could possibly make their reputation so much worse than it already is.

Perhaps TIM thinks the council will stop dragging their feet and start sending spectres and the like to actively hunt them?

Damage is done. Stealing the body will just make it worse than it already is. Which is why it's not a good plot point.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:36 .

[Yuoaman]

I'm reading through the stuff again and could it just be that the levels introduced are simply used at the Cube to determine what facilities are appropriate for the person based on the ability they demonstrate?

[TMA LIVE]

I'm actually surprised TIM thinks the body is bad for his image. I thought he didn't care about that.

[Commdor]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I actually thought the tailored bioweapon was quite a clever Macguffin. It establishes both (a) TIM is important enough and hard to kill enough that somebody is willing to tailor a bioweapon to end him and ( its very nature compels TIM to seek it urgently. Clever.

The bit I thought that was stupid was that it would be engineered then not deployed, but sold at an incredibly low security auction. Kai Leng should have been preventing its completion, not stealing it from a volus with a gavel.

ARGH THIS BOOK IS SO ANNOYING

It says on page one that the bio-weapon had already been stolen, that's how it ended up in that auction in the first place. I'm guessing that whoever stole it thought that no one would be able to track it to Khar'shan or they would have taken more precautions. Another possibility is that the thief wasn't aware that Cerberus knew about the weapon and had no reason to think anyone would try to get it back.

[C9316]

didymos1120 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

And I love how TIM seems like some cheap Mafia boss in this book. "Our credibility is at stake yo!" and that bit with the bioweapon that could apparently kill TIM needs to be scraped....

I'm also curious how this could possibly make their reputation so much worse than it already is.

Perhaps TIM thinks the council will stop dragging their feet and start sending spectres and the like to actively hunt them?

Damage is done. Stealing the body will just make it worse than it already is. Which is why it's not a good plot point.

Well judging from TIM's track record in the books his lights aren't all on up stairs....

[TMA LIVE]

Can we actually throw our omni-tools in the garbage?

[didymos1120]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm reading through the stuff again and could it just be that the levels introduced are simply used at the Cube to determine what facilities are appropriate for the person based on the ability they demonstrate?

It comes up twice more: once as the reason Gillian's on the boarding team ('cause she's a LEVEL THREE doncha' know), and later Kahlee brings it up to the C-Sec people working on Nick's case. And everyone just knows what it means.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:47 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Also weapons apperently not shoot at relavistic speeds - Lets go low for fairness sake and say 75% of C.

C=299 792 458 m/s * 75% = 224 844 343 m/s.
Projectile (again for fairness sake lets put it at the lowest of a grain of sand just for fun sake) 0.17 mg.(0,00017 g)

And the result is that the guns do 902 kilo TNT damage on impact.. hate to be in the room when they fire those.

[didymos1120]

Commdor wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I actually thought the tailored bioweapon was quite a clever Macguffin. It establishes both (a) TIM is important enough and hard to kill enough that somebody is willing to tailor a bioweapon to end him and ( its very nature compels TIM to seek it urgently. Clever.

The bit I thought that was stupid was that it would be engineered then not deployed, but sold at an incredibly low security auction. Kai Leng should have been preventing its completion, not stealing it from a volus with a gavel.

ARGH THIS BOOK IS SO ANNOYING

It says on page one that the bio-weapon had already been stolen, that's how it ended up in that auction in the first place. I'm guessing that whoever stole it thought that no one would be able to track it to Khar'shan or they would have taken more precautions. Another possibility is that the thief wasn't aware that Cerberus knew about the weapon and had no reason to think anyone would try to get it back.

Here's what really needed to be explained: why a bunch of humans and aliens who weren't slaves were traipsing around the batarian homeworld with minimal problems, a world that is the seat of a notoriously insular, xenophobic and extremely totalitarian government.

[Kaidan Fan]

Since you guys are discussing the books, could anyone tell me what order to read them in and how many there are? I thought maybe it would help pass the time until March if I read them. Thanks!