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[Yuoaman]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm reading through the stuff again and could it just be that the levels introduced are simply used at the Cube to determine what facilities are appropriate for the person based on the ability they demonstrate?

Damn, just saw that they use the level system later on and I just missed it.

THERE GOES THAT THEORY.

[MisterJB]

The batarians have an embassy on the Citadel again? Since when?

[TMA LIVE]

didymos1120 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm reading through the stuff again and could it just be that the levels introduced are simply used at the Cube to determine what facilities are appropriate for the person based on the ability they demonstrate?

It comes up twice more: once as the reason Gillian's on the boarding team ('cause she's a LEVEL THREE doncha' know) Gillian, and later Kahlee brings it up to the C-Sec people working on Nick's case. And everyone just knows what it means.

Anderson: Didn't you know Shepard? You're a Level 3 biotic!

Shepard: Oh course I know, Andseron. I've been called that the entire time. Didn't you know? Har har har!

[Yuoaman]

Revelation - Ascension - Retribution - and now Deception.

[Yuoaman]

MisterJB wrote...

The batarians have an embassy on the Citadel again? Since when?

I'm pretty sure they had one during ME2, since one of their news broadcasts was about them complaining to the Council about them cracking down on slavery.

[didymos1120]

Yuoaman wrote...

Damn, just saw that they use the level system later on and I just missed it.

THERE GOES THAT THEORY.

I thought that's what it was at first myself, and even thought "Oh, that's kinda clever.  Just the sort of thing some business based on getting people to biotically spar for prestige would come up with." *keeps reading* "@#$%!"

[MisterJB]

Yuoaman wrote...

Revelation - Ascension - Retribution - and now Deception.

Redemption - Incursion - Inquisition - Evolution - Invasion.

[CaptainZaysh]

Multiple protagonists is good.

Off screen protagonists is good.

No protagonists, which is the problem I believe Dietz has served us here, is not good. If you guys are seriously about to argue against protagonists in fiction you might want to pause a second before you type the next message.

Gillian, Anderson and Kahlee can be used as characters you can root for.

They certainly could be. However, I contend, they are not. If Dietz wanted people to root for them he should have had them display some admirable character traits in dire situations then put them through hell. He didn't. I'd have liked Anderson if he'd defended his protege's Reaper claims at risk of his career. I'd have liked Gillian if she'd had to cope with not only finding out her father had died but with trying to display her grief "normally" so the crew would still like her and not think the 18 year old autistic biotic savant was a monster.

But they didn't. Anderson walked to a meeting and had a meeting. Gillian killed some mooks and reacted in cliché. Meh. S**t protagonists, s**t story.

[wellactually12]

Wow......

You know, I've always have been very public with my criticsm of Mac's way of writing and I perfered Drew's but this new guy...

Overall my approval rating for mac just got a +40

Also, we need to do one of two things,

1. Totally disregard this noveland its relevance to the ME Universe

Or

2. Twitter the crap oyt him and/or the real me writers to edit these mistakes!

[Anacronian Stryx]

Yuoaman wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The batarians have an embassy on the Citadel again? Since when?

I'm pretty sure they had one during ME2, since one of their news broadcasts was about them complaining to the Council about them cracking down on slavery.

At least some form of communication with the baterians must be going since there was the whole orbital mirror system thing that the "Baterian representative" responded to.

[Yuoaman]

Oh goddamn, I just checked.

This guy had Gillian age six years when only three years have passed. HOW CAN YOU MESS THAT UP?

[CaptainZaysh]

Commdor wrote...

It says on page one that the bio-weapon had already been stolen, that's how it ended up in that auction in the first place. I'm guessing that whoever stole it thought that no one would be able to track it to Khar'shan or they would have taken more precautions. Another possibility is that the thief wasn't aware that Cerberus knew about the weapon and had no reason to think anyone would try to get it back.

Don't you realise that the theft of the bioweapon from its creator is far more interesting and elegant than its theft from a fat volus and two stupid security guards in some hokey auction?

[Yuoaman]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Commdor wrote...

It says on page one that the bio-weapon had already been stolen, that's how it ended up in that auction in the first place. I'm guessing that whoever stole it thought that no one would be able to track it to Khar'shan or they would have taken more precautions. Another possibility is that the thief wasn't aware that Cerberus knew about the weapon and had no reason to think anyone would try to get it back.

Don't you realise that the theft of the bioweapon from its creator is far more interesting and elegant than its theft from a fat volus and two stupid security guards in some hokey auction?

That bioweapon was stolen two dozen times before we ever saw it - each of which were more interesting.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Hey. He was not just a "fat volus."

He was a well-dressed fat volus.

[Kaidan Fan]

Yuoaman wrote...

Revelation - Ascension - Retribution - and now Deception.

Thank you so much!

[Yuoaman]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Hey. He was not just a "fat volus."

He was a well-dressed fat volus.

He was probably roly-poly, too.

[1136342t54_]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Multiple protagonists is good.

Off screen protagonists is good.

No protagonists, which is the problem I believe Dietz has served us here, is not good. If you guys are seriously about to argue against protagonists in fiction you might want to pause a second before you type the next message.

How are we arguing against protagonists?

They certainly could be. However, I contend, they are not. If Dietz wanted people to root for them he should have had them display some admirable character traits in dire situations then put them through hell. He didn't. I'd have liked Anderson if he'd defended his protege's Reaper claims at risk of his career.

He did. He even risked treason to get Shepard to fight the Reapers. Anderson was the first one to believe him about the Reapers. He also constantly argued for the Reapers existing everytime he had a chance. 

Do you want him to stab himself and write "The Reapers are coming." in his own blood in the Council chambers to get the point across?

I'd have liked Gillian if she'd had to cope with not only finding out her father had died but with trying to display her grief "normally" so the crew would still like her and not think the 18 year old autistic biotic savant was a monster.

If someone has the power to kill someone with their mind and finds out their father died its likely that person would want justice or revenge. Most people would want the person who did that to pay.

But they didn't. Anderson walked to a meeting and had a meeting. Gillian killed some mooks and reacted in cliché. Meh. S**t protagonists, s**t story.

Anderson already argued for the Reapers for a few years. What else you expect him to do yell some more?

[CaptainZaysh]

Kaidan Fan wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Revelation - Ascension - Retribution - and now Deception.

Thank you so much!

Personally, though, I'd recommend Abstention.

[Barhador]

Beyond horrible. A simultaneous butchering of the Mass Effect lore and the English language.

[Seboist]

So is it safe to say Dietz wrote "The Flood 2.0" ?

[dreman9999]

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh goddamn, I just checked.

This guy had Gillian age six years when only three years have passed. HOW CAN YOU MESS THAT UP?

Don't you know

2186-2170=18...Duh!
/Sarcasum

On point, this makes me rage so much.

[Heimdall]

I'll probably listen to the audio book or something... but this is honestly cringe worthy. How did Gillian age six years? How can you overlook something like that?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Rule 1 in writing = Know your material.

[CaptainZaysh]

1136342t54 wrote...

How are we arguing against protagonists?

"A lot of stories don't have a clear hero or a hero at all.  Not all stories need one to be a good story."

1136342t54 wrote...
He did. He even risked treason to get Shepard to fight the Reapers. Anderson was the first one to believe him about the Reapers. He also constantly argued for the Reapers existing everytime he had a chance. 

Do you want him to stab himself and write "The Reapers are coming." in his own blood in the Council chambers to get the point across?

I want him to do something in the book, please.  Is that an unreasonable expectation of the author?  That he will have the protagonist do something in the book?

1136342t54 wrote...
If someone has the power to kill someone with their mind and finds out their father died its likely that person would want justice or revenge. Most people would want the person who did that to pay.

Which is fine.  So why don't I care about her quest for vengeance?  It's because Dietz has given me no reason to like Gillian, or want her to succeed.  She is a very bad protagonist because the reader has no reason to care about what she wants to achieve.  The loss of a parent is a profound moment in a person's life; autistic people often process grief in atypical ways.  Is this not an incredible opportunity for a writer to really make us feel something for this girl?  How isolated she is, because she doesn't even grieve like everybody else?

"Autistic girl swears vengeance in order to please the soldiers she's with, and only during the quest for vengeance comes to terms with her grief" is a hell of a f**king story.  Gillian is the protagonist in that one.  But that one ain't Deception.

[Yuoaman]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh goddamn, I just checked.

This guy had Gillian age six years when only three years have passed. HOW CAN YOU MESS THAT UP?

Don't you know

2186-2170=18...Duh!
/Sarcasum

On point, this makes me rage so much.

It's actually 2183-2186, but still just as bad.