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[dreman9999]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'll probably listen to the audio book or something... but this is honestly cringe worthy. How did Gillian age six years? How can you overlook something like that?

It's probably explain with Mass effect feilds.

[Heimdall]

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

[HeliusCarthaxis]

This does not sound good...at all...
Isn't the maximum age Gillian could possibly be now is 16, depending on when she was actually 12 and if this happens in 2183 or not? I haven't read the excerpt, so I don't know exactly what date it is (and it sounds like I won't be reading it at all...). I'm not even sure that's right actually.

Modifié par HeliusCarthaxis, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:17 .

[dreman9999]

Yuoaman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh goddamn, I just checked.

This guy had Gillian age six years when only three years have passed. HOW CAN YOU MESS THAT UP?

Don't you know

2186-2170=18...Duh!
/Sarcasum

On point, this makes me rage so much.

It's actually 2183-2186, but still just as bad.

She was born in 2170....
When she first came in the story she was 12 turning 13.


http://masseffect.wi...CE_-_2183_CE.29

[Yuoaman]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

The thing is, this style can be used well. Dietz, however, does not know how to use it well.

[Yuoaman]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh goddamn, I just checked.

This guy had Gillian age six years when only three years have passed. HOW CAN YOU MESS THAT UP?

Don't you know

2186-2170=18...Duh!
/Sarcasum

On point, this makes me rage so much.

It's actually 2183-2186, but still just as bad.

She was born in 2170....
When she first came in the story she was 12 turning 13.


http://masseffect.wi...CE_-_2183_CE.29

I know.

That's why I corrected you.

[Anacronian Stryx]

HeliusCarthaxis wrote...

This does not sound good...at all...
Isn't the maximum age Gillian could possibly be now is 16, depending on when she was actually 12 and if this happens in 2183 or not? I haven't read the excerpt, so I don't know exactly what date it is (and it sounds like I won't be reading it at all...)

Stop being silly - she's 18 and therefore useful in a romatic subplot.

[HeliusCarthaxis]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

HeliusCarthaxis wrote...

This does not sound good...at all...
Isn't the maximum age Gillian could possibly be now is 16, depending on when she was actually 12 and if this happens in 2183 or not? I haven't read the excerpt, so I don't know exactly what date it is (and it sounds like I won't be reading it at all...)

Stop being silly - she's 18 and therefore useful in a romatic subplot.

Oh, of course, how silly of me 

[Yuoaman]

Deception takes place in 2186, so at most Gillian is 17, and even that would be stretching it to the limit.

[Heimdall]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

HeliusCarthaxis wrote...

This does not sound good...at all...
Isn't the maximum age Gillian could possibly be now is 16, depending on when she was actually 12 and if this happens in 2183 or not? I haven't read the excerpt, so I don't know exactly what date it is (and it sounds like I won't be reading it at all...)

Stop being silly - she's 18 and therefore useful in a romatic subplot.

That's retrocontinuity for you.

[didymos1120]

HeliusCarthaxis wrote...

Edit: Actually, looks more like 15 is the max

No, sixteen.  Depends on when in the year she was born, and when in the year this takes place.

[dreman9999]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

http://www.parentdis...ks-with-autism/

Hell, Albert Einstein was even autistic.

[didymos1120]

Lord Aesir wrote...
 That's retrocontinuity for you.

That's giving too much credit.  It's just a @#$%-up.

[dreman9999]

Yuoaman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh goddamn, I just checked.

This guy had Gillian age six years when only three years have passed. HOW CAN YOU MESS THAT UP?

Don't you know

2186-2170=18...Duh!
/Sarcasum

On point, this makes me rage so much.

It's actually 2183-2186, but still just as bad.

She was born in 2170....
When she first came in the story she was 12 turning 13.


http://masseffect.wi...CE_-_2183_CE.29

I know.

That's why I corrected you.

Do you know I was joking?
and /Sarcasum mean joking.

[CaptainZaysh]

dreman9999 wrote...

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

Absolutely they can.  As a writer, though, you would normally be expected to tell the story of how they did that.  Skipping forward a few years and saying "in the meantime, Gillian got better" is, to say it mildly, a dreadful cop out.

[dreman9999]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

HeliusCarthaxis wrote...

This does not sound good...at all...
Isn't the maximum age Gillian could possibly be now is 16, depending on when she was actually 12 and if this happens in 2183 or not? I haven't read the excerpt, so I don't know exactly what date it is (and it sounds like I won't be reading it at all...)

Stop being silly - she's 18 and therefore useful in a romatic subplot.

That's retrocontinuity for you.

You mean all the jokes about her being a love intrest......Came true.

[Anacronian Stryx]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

HeliusCarthaxis wrote...

This does not sound good...at all...
Isn't the maximum age Gillian could possibly be now is 16, depending on when she was actually 12 and if this happens in 2183 or not? I haven't read the excerpt, so I don't know exactly what date it is (and it sounds like I won't be reading it at all...)

Stop being silly - she's 18 and therefore useful in a romatic subplot.

That's retrocontinuity for you.

You mean all the jokes about her being a love intrest......Came true.

That will teach people to write "For Li" after everything new...

Uhmm remeber that box guy?.. yeah he's comming too.

[Heimdall]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

http://www.parentdis...ks-with-autism/

Hell, Albert Einstein was even autistic.

I'm not saying I need it to be blindingly obvious in her behavior, though I wouldn't expect it to vanish completely considering how she acted in Ascension.  But in Ascension we were given glimpses into Gillian's mind and there is not the lightest similarity in the girl that appeared in Ascension to the girl that appeared in this excert in either behavior or what I could glean of her thoughts from her reactions and what Dietz outright told us she was thinking.

[Yuoaman]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

Absolutely they can.  As a writer, though, you would normally be expected to tell the story of how they did that.  Skipping forward a few years and saying "in the meantime, Gillian got better" is, to say it mildly, a dreadful cop out.

This, when we last saw her Gillian was, quite frankly, an absolute mess. Just skipping over all of it is just ridiculous.

[dreman9999]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

Absolutely they can.  As a writer, though, you would normally be expected to tell the story of how they did that.  Skipping forward a few years and saying "in the meantime, Gillian got better" is, to say it mildly, a dreadful cop out.

You think they should take the time to reflect on that?
BS.
She had a dedicated personal tutour who was more of a father for 4(I mean 5 based on theis crasy books timeline.)
years. She turned out well, he did a great job. End story arc about that.

[dreman9999]

Lord Aesir wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

http://www.parentdis...ks-with-autism/

Hell, Albert Einstein was even autistic.

I'm not saying I need it to be blindingly obvious in her behavior, though I wouldn't expect it to vanish completely considering how she acted in Ascension.  But in Ascension we were given glimpses into Gillian's mind and there is not the lightest similarity in the girl that appeared in Ascension to the girl that appeared in this excert in either behavior or what I could glean of her thoughts from her reactions and what Dietz outright told us she was thinking.

Ask yourself this question....When you were 17, were you anything like the person you were when you were13?
I'm sure I wasn't.

[Heimdall]

dreman9999 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

Absolutely they can.  As a writer, though, you would normally be expected to tell the story of how they did that.  Skipping forward a few years and saying "in the meantime, Gillian got better" is, to say it mildly, a dreadful cop out.

You think they should take the time to reflect on that?
BS.
She had a dedicated personal tutour who was more of a father for 4(I mean 5 based on theis crasy books timeline.)
years. She turned out well, he did a great job. End story arc about that.

I think Dietz should have taken the time to link the character we knew in Ascension with this one aside from some name dropping.

[Heimdall]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

http://www.parentdis...ks-with-autism/

Hell, Albert Einstein was even autistic.

I'm not saying I need it to be blindingly obvious in her behavior, though I wouldn't expect it to vanish completely considering how she acted in Ascension.  But in Ascension we were given glimpses into Gillian's mind and there is not the lightest similarity in the girl that appeared in Ascension to the girl that appeared in this excert in either behavior or what I could glean of her thoughts from her reactions and what Dietz outright told us she was thinking.

Ask yourself this question....When you were 17, were you anything like the person you were when you were13?
I'm sure I wasn't.

I've changed, but I;m not a completly different person.  Moreover, there are reasons behind that change,  These are the sort of things Dietz should mention.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Yuoaman wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

Absolutely they can.  As a writer, though, you would normally be expected to tell the story of how they did that.  Skipping forward a few years and saying "in the meantime, Gillian got better" is, to say it mildly, a dreadful cop out.

This, when we last saw her Gillian was, quite frankly, an absolute mess. Just skipping over all of it is just ridiculous.

..One day Gillian woke up and felt a change in her body, It might be because of the accelerated aging but she noticed that her bosom was larger and hair began to appear in new places, She realized that she was becoming an adult and just decided to be normal, After all if she was normal and wore make-up like all the other girls she would find a boy and marry him and then her life would be complete..

[1136342t54_]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

"A lot of stories don't have a clear hero or a hero at all.  Not all stories need one to be a good story."

This is what you said "You've misunderstood, but it's my fault for using the word "hero" in place of the more accurate word "protagonist". 

I want him to do something in the book, please.  Is that an unreasonable expectation of the author?  That he will have the protagonist do something in the book?

They have done plenty so far in the first 50 pages. Anderson has literally done the impossible. He actually got the Council to consider the Reaper's existence instead of them just dismissing it. Shepard could never do it even after a Reaper attacked the Citadel.

Gillian is the main reason why the Quarians were able to beat back the slavers.

Which is fine.  So why don't I care about her quest for vengeance?  It's because Dietz has given me no reason to like Gillian, or want her to succeed.  She is a very bad protagonist because the reader has no reason to care about what she wants to achieve.  The loss of a parent is a profound moment in a person's life; autistic people often process grief in atypical ways.  Is this not an incredible opportunity for a writer to really make us feel something for this girl?  How isolated she is, because she doesn't even grieve like everybody else?

Like I said before I believe what Cerberus did to her was possibly the cause of her mental disorder. Since she stopped taking those drugs she has likely gotten much better. Doesn't mean I don't think it could have been done better but your previous post stating she isn't coping normally is off since someone will be reasonably pissed and sad if there parent was killed.

"Autistic girl swears vengeance in order to please the soldiers she's with, and only during the quest for vengeance comes to terms with her grief" is a hell of a f**king story.  Gillian is the protagonist in that one.  But that one ain't Deception.

Actually that sounds kinda stupid. That would be implying that she wants to get vengeance to impress the soldiers around her instead of the fact that her father was killed.

Deception so far isn't good but the initial sound of your idea doesn't sound good either.