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[CaptainZaysh]

AVPen wrote...
Whew, thank god... can you imagine the sh*tstorm that would've come to BSN if that made its way into the novel? 

Dude, that is what he writes like!  :happy:

[DrwEddy]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The batarians have an embassy on the Citadel again? Since when?

I'm pretty sure they had one during ME2, since one of their news broadcasts was about them complaining to the Council about them cracking down on slavery.

At least some form of communication with the baterians must be going since there was the whole orbital mirror system thing that the "Baterian representative" responded to.

Really?  I thought the quarians were attempting to get back their embassy, the batarians. Besides, the batarians be dead in ME3.

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it is. Hendel becomes her private tutor at the end of Ascension and teaches her to deal with her Autisum off scene.
 How is that different?

Also she's gone years without being subjected to crazy Cerberus medical treatments, which might have either cause or certainly agravated her Autistic condition.

Even still, just handwaving the entire period is freaking ridiculous.

[XyleJKH]

Despite what you whiners are saying, I am not passing judgment by a couple of pages. But then again I keep forgetting that this is bsn. Anything, and I mean anything that constitutes a change will bring out the whaaaa I want my ME1 or my Drew-y back... Boooooo hooo lol

[Heimdall]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it is. Hendel becomes her private tutor at the end of Ascension and teaches her to deal with her Autisum off scene.
 How is that different?

Also she's gone years without being subjected to crazy Cerberus medical treatments, which might have either cause or certainly agravated her Autistic condition.

That might have been fine if Dietz had noted such  but he didn't.  He just carried on as if we had long known all these characters as they are now.

[Yuoaman]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

AVPen wrote...
Whew, thank god... can you imagine the sh*tstorm that would've come to BSN if that made its way into the novel? 

Dude, that is what he writes like!  :happy:

I don't know, there were maybe two or three lines that I didn't absolutely hate.

Maybe.

[didymos1120]

XyleJKH wrote...

Despite what you whiners are saying, I am not passing judgment by a couple of pages. But then again I keep forgetting that this is bsn. Anything, and I mean anything that constitutes a change will bring out the whaaaa I want my ME1 or my Drew-y back... Boooooo hooo lol

57 pages is a significant chunk of the entire novel.  It's a bit more than "a couple".

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:03 .

[Yuoaman]

XyleJKH wrote...

Despite what you whiners are saying, I am not passing judgment by a couple of pages. But then again I keep forgetting that this is bsn. Anything, and I mean anything that constitutes a change will bring out the whaaaa I want my ME1 or my Drew-y back... Boooooo hooo lol

A couple of pages? We just read most of the first act.

[CaptainZaysh]

XyleJKH wrote...

Despite what you whiners are saying, I am not passing judgment by a couple of pages. But then again I keep forgetting that this is bsn. Anything, and I mean anything that constitutes a change will bring out the whaaaa I want my ME1 or my Drew-y back... Boooooo hooo lol

Actually I think the Drew books were pretty s**t, as well.  Kahlee is a horror.  She's kind of worse than Gillian because Gillian I just don't care about.  Kahlee I actively want to fail.

[Heimdall]

XyleJKH wrote...

Despite what you whiners are saying, I am not passing judgment by a couple of pages. But then again I keep forgetting that this is bsn. Anything, and I mean anything that constitutes a change will bring out the whaaaa I want my ME1 or my Drew-y back... Boooooo hooo lol

Over 50 pages is hardly a couple.

[izmirtheastarach]

The whole thing is retcon, so nitpicking one thing or another doesn't much matter. Gillian and Nick have both aged 6 years in 3, Kai Leng is now just referred to as "Leng", everything in the universe is powered by "mass effect fields" without any other explanation. The book is poorly written.

[dreman9999]

Lord Aesir wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I wouldn't even know Gillian was autistic if I didn't know beforehand. Dietz has this horrid style of using brief sentences with few details to tell events more than describe them.

Um, do you even realize that children with autisum can grow up to be normal sussessful people.

http://www.parentdis...ks-with-autism/

Hell, Albert Einstein was even autistic.

I'm not saying I need it to be blindingly obvious in her behavior, though I wouldn't expect it to vanish completely considering how she acted in Ascension.  But in Ascension we were given glimpses into Gillian's mind and there is not the lightest similarity in the girl that appeared in Ascension to the girl that appeared in this excert in either behavior or what I could glean of her thoughts from her reactions and what Dietz outright told us she was thinking.

Ask yourself this question....When you were 17, were you anything like the person you were when you were13?
I'm sure I wasn't.

I've changed, but I;m not a completly different person.  Moreover, there are reasons behind that change,  These are the sort of things Dietz should mention.

We don't change to a diffrent person but during our teens we change drasticly, this includes alot of our personality.
Getting bent out of shape over this is point less because if she did getbetter,  alot of parts of her personality would change anyway. I don't need a guide to that because I understand this happen with people at that age. It's once were fully grown we stay stagnet and even then our personality many change over time any way.

She got better, getting bent out of shape because some of us want a bit more depth than that is pointless.  It's the same reason there was so much rage over Liara when ME2 came out.  When a character is much different that she was when we last encountered her, we'd like an explanation.  I'd like to know what life has been like during her time living with only one human being in a ship of aliens.  I'd like to know more than "she lived on the ship and then there was a pirate raid where she learned her father was dead and she swore revenge."  Some of that is disturbingly close to Dietz actual words.

But there is an explination......Hendel. That's it. Your not asking for explinations your asking for details.
That the same case with Liara.There was an explination, you just wanted details.

[Yuoaman]

Lord Aesir wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it is. Hendel becomes her private tutor at the end of Ascension and teaches her to deal with her Autisum off scene.
 How is that different?

Also she's gone years without being subjected to crazy Cerberus medical treatments, which might have either cause or certainly agravated her Autistic condition.

That might have been fine if Dietz had noted such  but he didn't.  He just carried on as if we had long known all these characters as they are now.

This is probably Dietz's biggest problem. He feels the need to go into incredible detail over every bit of terminology and technology, because obviously the only people reading the fourth book in the series will have no familiarity with Mass Efffect. At the same time, though, he just gives passing mentions to important character details, which totally screws with the focus of the story.

[Heimdall]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

XyleJKH wrote...

Despite what you whiners are saying, I am not passing judgment by a couple of pages. But then again I keep forgetting that this is bsn. Anything, and I mean anything that constitutes a change will bring out the whaaaa I want my ME1 or my Drew-y back... Boooooo hooo lol

Actually I think the Drew books were pretty s**t, as well.  Kahlee is a horror.  She's kind of worse than Gillian because Gillian I just don't care about.  Kahlee I actively want to fail.

I sympathize, but Drew can write a helluva lot more eloquently than Dietz, and Drew doesn't write that eloquently...

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:01 .

[didymos1120]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

The whole thing is retcon, so nitpicking one thing or another doesn't much matter. Gillian and Nick have both aged 6 years in 3, Kai Leng is now just referred to as "Leng", everything in the universe is powered by "mass effect fields" without any other explanation. The book is poorly written.

Again: you're giving too much credit.  Retcons are deliberate.  All I see are errors by someone who doesn't know the material they're working with.

[Yuoaman]

dreman9999 wrote...
But there is an explination......Hendel. That's it. Your not asking for explinations your asking for details.
That the same case with Liara.There was an explination, you just wanted details.

There wasn't even a ****ing explanation - Dietz is just going on as if that major plot point from the last book she appeared in just walked off on his own.

[dreman9999]

Lord Aesir wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it is. Hendel becomes her private tutor at the end of Ascension and teaches her to deal with her Autisum off scene.
 How is that different?

Also she's gone years without being subjected to crazy Cerberus medical treatments, which might have either cause or certainly agravated her Autistic condition.

That might have been fine if Dietz had noted such  but he didn't.  He just carried on as if we had long known all these characters as they are now.

You mean after the massive blocks of over the top exposition he did in the book already.....You want him to do more?

[izmirtheastarach]

Yuoaman wrote...

This is probably Dietz's biggest problem. He feels the need to go into incredible detail over every bit of terminology and technology, because obviously the only people reading the fourth book in the series will have no familiarity with Mass Efffect. At the same time, though, he just gives passing mentions to important character details, which totally screws with the focus of the story.

It must be because it's his first book in the universe. Because it makes no sense to the market it serves. Who in the world is reading this book without having at least a general background in the Mass Effect universe.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:00 .

[dreman9999]

Yuoaman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But there is an explination......Hendel. That's it. Your not asking for explinations your asking for details.
That the same case with Liara.There was an explination, you just wanted details.

There wasn't even a ****ing explanation - Dietz is just going on as if that major plot point from the last book she appeared in just walked off on his own.

Did you not read the partin Ascension where it states Hendel became Gillian's personal tutor on the Quarian ship?

[Yuoaman]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it is. Hendel becomes her private tutor at the end of Ascension and teaches her to deal with her Autisum off scene.
 How is that different?

Also she's gone years without being subjected to crazy Cerberus medical treatments, which might have either cause or certainly agravated her Autistic condition.

That might have been fine if Dietz had noted such  but he didn't.  He just carried on as if we had long known all these characters as they are now.

You mean after the massive blocks of over the top exposition he did in the book already.....You want him to do more?

I'm not asking for exposition, I'm asking for character establishing scenes - maybe have Hendel and Gillian reminisce a little bit. MAYBE GIVE ME SOME ACTUAL CHARACTERS INSTEAD OF THROWING NAMES AROUND WITHOUT THE PROPER CHARACTER DETAILS.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

But there is an explination......Hendel. That's it. Your not asking for explinations your asking for details.
That the same case with Liara.There was an explination, you just wanted details.

Without details, and explanation isn't worth much.  And Hendel actually isn't offered as an explanation because Dietz simply doesn't even acknowledge that she was autistic in the first place.

[Anacronian Stryx]

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Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:04 .

[MisterJB]

So, I'm surprised by how well Gillian and Hendel are taking this whole "We'll work with an operative from Cerberus, the very organization we are hiding from and plan to exact bloody vengeance upon." thing.

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:03 .

[CaptainZaysh]

dreman9999 wrote...

You mean after the massive blocks of over the top exposition he did in the book already.....You want him to do more?

No no, characters develop through their actions.  This is what we're saying!  We want to see Gillian dealing with her autism.  We want her to overcome it.  We want to see her do it rather than be told in exposition that she overcame it through some really good tuition and now she can just concentrate on killing mooks.

[izmirtheastarach]

didymos1120 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

The whole thing is retcon, so nitpicking one thing or another doesn't much matter. Gillian and Nick have both aged 6 years in 3, Kai Leng is now just referred to as "Leng", everything in the universe is powered by "mass effect fields" without any other explanation. The book is poorly written.

Again: you're giving too much credit.  Retcons are deliberate.  All I see are errors by someone who doesn't know the material they're working with.

Did Bioware not have any control over this though? Oh well, we got three decent books from Drew.