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[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Also, there's an auction house full of non-batarians.

What's wrong with that one?

The Hegemony is very isolationist, exercises strict control over information, and barely allows its own population to travel, and they're gonna let a bunch of off-worlders with their non-batarian ideas wander about freely?  I don't goddamn think so.  If this were a very restricted, designated trading locale, kinda like pre-Commodore Perry Japan, I could see it...maybe.  But as is it's nonsense.  Just look at the Codex about Arathoht, an unimportant backwater world:

Aratoht is rumored to have military bases on its surface and throughout its solar system, though details are heavily restricted by the Hegemony's Ministry of Information Control. Human merchant ships rarely come to the planet, outcompeted by local companies that benefit from heavy economic protections. The average Aratoht citizen only sees humans on the news, usually featured in stories of trials and executions of accused spies.

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 janvier 2012 - 10:25 .

[CroGamer002]

Sylvianus wrote...

You're in Karshan, that isn't any small colony, that is their homeworld within their space closed.

The Batarians cut themself from the outside. Their space is totally enclosed, they want complete control over their populations and cut all sources of outside influence.

Having rich foreigners within the territory is nonsense, since they can deliver another message than their propaganda, and those can propagate the ideals harmful to their caste system. What they do not want.

What I read, seemed to be in a liberal system, with money and If there were auction, they wouldn't let it to happen in Karshan, their Homeworld. the batarians in their space are paranoid and are afraid of spies everywhere.

PFT-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

You really think some rich aholes would go and spread liberal propaganda?

They don't give a rats ass what's happening to people.

They only want money.

[didymos1120]

So, was feeling mischievous:

@PatrickWeekes @bellecanto114 @annlemay @Sylvf1: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/… So ME writers (and editor)... any thoughts?

[CroGamer002]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Also, there's an auction house full of non-batarians.

What's wrong with that one?

The Hegemony very isolationist, exercises strict control over information, and barely allows its own population to travel, and they're gonna let a bunch of off-worlders with their non-batarian ideas wander about freely?  I don't goddamn think so.  If this were a very restricted, designated trading locale, kinda like pre-Admiral Perry Japan, I could see it...maybe.  But as is it's nonsense.  Just look at the Codex about Arathoht, an unimportant backwater world:

Aratoht is rumored to have military bases on its surface and throughout
its solar system, though details are heavily restricted by the
Hegemony's Ministry of Information Control. Human merchant ships rarely
come to the planet, outcompeted by local companies that benefit from
heavy economic protections. The average Aratoht citizen only sees humans
on the news, usually featured in stories of trials and executions of
accused spies.

You also forgot that Batarian Hegemony is very corrupted among leadership.

Big bribes to officials would let some rich aholes to go to some places that all outsiders ain't allowed.

So, it doesn't mean they would walk freely through their territory.
Just some parts.
Parts that are for rich people only.
So no contact with civilians.
Plus they would tracked as well.

[Sylvianus]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

You're in Karshan, that isn't any small colony, that is their homeworld within their space closed.

The Batarians cut themself from the outside. Their space is totally enclosed, they want complete control over their populations and cut all sources of outside influence.

Having rich foreigners within the territory is nonsense, since they can deliver another message than their propaganda, and those can propagate the ideals harmful to their caste system. What they do not want.

What I read, seemed to be in a liberal system, with money and If there were auction, they wouldn't let it to happen in Karshan, their Homeworld. the batarians in their space are paranoid and are afraid of spies everywhere.

PFT-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

You really think some rich aholes would go and spread liberal propaganda?

They don't give a rats ass what's happening to people.

They only want money.

First, this is not what I insinuated. But anyway, any smart government that wants to be isolationist, which base their propaganda on false realities, does not want foreigners that could potentially contradict what they repeat all the time with their nationalist discourse.

Do you think that the Communists left the rich English, the rich American to do their bidding in Moscow ? lol.

And people suffer a caste system, they know only slavery,. such a counter-example lifestyle liberal could appear totally attractive, as it was attractive to the Polish, the Czechs, the Hungarians when they realized how the Western world seemed to live better than them. They then realized how propaganda was a lie, about strangers the bad guys, the strangers less smart, etc,  just by looking at the world with their own eyes and without propaganda to blind them.

If the batarian controls everything, that's precisely for that. they fear for their cast system and their culture.

Reread your history lessons, and you will see that if you base your system on propaganda, you do not allow a liberal system.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:48 .

[CroGamer002]

^Slavery and communism are quite not the same thing.

Also, slavery is kinda like capitalism if you didn't know.

It's just that most countries in world don't allow trade in people since it violates human rights.
And is less profitable.

[Renegade Wolf]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, was feeling mischievous:

@PatrickWeekes @bellecanto114 @annlemay @Sylvf1: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/… So ME writers (and editor)... any thoughts?

They are probably pretty annoyed at how poorly the book deals with the universe they worked hard to build

Modifié par Renegade Wolf, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:57 .

[.jpg.exe]

Mesina2 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

"The species is asexual."

Eh, no they're not.

They are mono-gender

Well they don't technically reproduce sexually.

They still have vagina, one that use to give birth to their children.

Actually its called an Azure? haha Go LOTSB

[What a Succulent Ass]

We don't actually know what the azure is. Only that it's somewhere about the arse.

[Sylvianus]

@ Mesina But slavery is not a threat to their propaganda, they are slaves, treated like animals and do not deserve attention for the population. Slavery is profitable, not liberal.

A liberal system allows the transmission of information, capital, and allows freedom of movement for foreigners. Which is totally not the case for the Batarian space. they control everything and don't allow anything.

The only ones that can be present are spectres, foreigner vessels that patrol without their permission, slaves, diplomats.

But you will never see a " galactic auction " with full of strangers, woooz, which advertising has been made across the galaxy for the greatest number of buyers, where ? In Karshan... Eeer what ? . It is not logical.

It's a simple invitation for spies: " Hey everyone come on all to my home. " When actually, they fear spies and do everything possible to avoid that.

Do you think it's believable when you look at the information about Batarians ?

Especially about humans, that is thing that bugs me the most. Yeah, any human can travel to Karshan....

It is not logical to me.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 janvier 2012 - 09:07 .

[didymos1120]

Oh, besides the fact that the age is wrong, there's another issue with this:

At eighteen Gillian qualified as an adult...

Not on a quarian ship, she don't. Nobody qualifies as an adult in quarian society unless they've completed their Pilgrimage. Age don't matter for jack.

[TobyHasEyes]

 Salarian Council member is a hero

[El Mito]

Doesn't anyone at Bioware edit this book? I mean, wtf?

[Someone With Mass]

Dietz really dun goofed with the time frame.

By the time Gillian's 18 years old, the Reaper invasion has been going on for about three years. I think Cerberus and the rest of the galaxy couldn't care less about her at that point.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dietz really dun goofed with the time frame.

By the time Gillian's 18 years old, the Reaper invasion has been going on for about three years. I think Cerberus and the rest of the galaxy couldn't care less about her at that point.

And Anderson is still trying to convince Council that Reapers are real.


But somehow I think that would happen even after we defeat Reapers for good.

[didymos1120]

Leng offered the invitation to the guard on the right who passed it in front of a scanner. The electronic document was real, having been purchased from a local businessman at considerable expense, and the batarian nodded respectfully.

The batarian nodded respectfully. To a human. On the batarian homeworld.  What.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 09:43 .

[Icinix]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dietz really dun goofed with the time frame.

By the time Gillian's 18 years old, the Reaper invasion has been going on for about three years. I think Cerberus and the rest of the galaxy couldn't care less about her at that point.

Whahaaaa? That is a huge and epic miss! How did they manage that?

[didymos1120]

Icinix wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dietz really dun goofed with the time frame.

By the time Gillian's 18 years old, the Reaper invasion has been going on for about three years. I think Cerberus and the rest of the galaxy couldn't care less about her at that point.

Whahaaaa? That is a huge and epic miss! How did they manage that?

You think that's bad?  Dietz couldn't even get the ending of ME1 right.  Apparently, Sovereign's total failure to open the Citadel relay counts as successfully springing the trap.

[Icinix]

didymos1120 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dietz really dun goofed with the time frame.

By the time Gillian's 18 years old, the Reaper invasion has been going on for about three years. I think Cerberus and the rest of the galaxy couldn't care less about her at that point.

Whahaaaa? That is a huge and epic miss! How did they manage that?

You think that's bad?  Dietz couldn't even get the ending of ME1 right.  Apparently, Sovereign's total failure to open the Citadel relay counts as successfully springing the trap.

*brain explodes*

I wonder if they ever get these game novel writers to actually play / read / check the source first?

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

You think that's bad?  Dietz couldn't even get the ending of ME1 right.  Apparently, Sovereign's total failure to open the Citadel relay counts as successfully springing the trap.

Oh, he shouldn't get paid for the book just because of that.

[didymos1120]

As you know, I'm bumping this thread.

[Icinix]

*brain explodes again*

[ZLurps]

To say something positive, I find Deception hilarious. I'm going to buy it just because it appears to be so bad that it's actually good.

I also give Dietz credit for inspiring this thread, I'v been lurking on board sometimes and just had a feeling that one thing this forum could use some laugh to lighten up a bit. At least I find this thread almost as hilarious as this novel. :-D