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[Anacronian Stryx]

This book is pure MST3K material.

[didymos1120]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

This book is pure MST3K material.

Oh, I'm totally MSTing the hell out this thing. It must be done.

[AresXX7]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, was feeling mischievous:

@PatrickWeekes @bellecanto114 @annlemay @Sylvf1: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/… So ME writers (and editor)... any thoughts?

I really hope you get a response. I would love to see what they have to say, considering Casey gave a positive review of the book a while back. (can't remember if it was in a tweet or an interview though)


Edit: found it - 

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/101362747836604417

"Finished my final review of the #MassEffect Deception novel. A really fun lead-in to #ME3! Kai Leng is a badass. January 31 release."

Modifié par AresXX7, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[didymos1120]

AresXX7 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

So, was feeling mischievous:

@PatrickWeekes @bellecanto114 @annlemay @Sylvf1: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/… So ME writers (and editor)... any thoughts?

I really hope you get a response. I would love to see what they have to say, considering Casey gave a positive review of the book a while back. (can't remember if it was in a tweet or an interview though)


Edit: found it - 

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/101362747836604417

"Finished my final review of the #MassEffect Deception novel. A really fun lead-in to #ME3! Kai Leng is a badass. January 31 release."

See, this is what happens when you try to do this stuff while in mid-production on a AAA title and you're also running about going to conventions and the like. If they're gonna do this stuff, they need to assign someone to sit there and vet the hell out of the material.  Treat it like it's a paper submitted for peer-review and go in looking for screw-ups.

It worked with Drew Karpyshyn because he knew the material. Dietz sorely lacks such an advantage.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[Rivercurse]

JeffZero, great work with that parody a few pages back!

On topic, I'd imagine people have already checked whether or not Dietz is on twitter?

Edit - Ah yes, here he is!  https://twitter.com/#!/wcdietz

Go nuts

Edit 2 - https://twitter.com/...808627081023488 Well I've asked the question.  He doesn't seem like a prolific user though so I doubt we'll get a reply..

Modifié par Rivercurse, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:54 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

I am simply stunned by the failure of this novel.

[TheCreeper]

You know what this reminds of me of, C.S Goto 40k books, the guy writes generic sci-fi novels and then applies a thin coat of Warhammer 40k to this, I feel like the guy was writing for some other setting and then slightly edited it to be a Mass Effect story.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

It sucks, because this is the first Mass Effect novel that I'll be actively avoiding. There are simply too many character and lore inconsistencies for me to enjoy this.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

A lot of stories don't have a clear hero or a hero at all. Not all stories need one to be a good story.

Again, that's bulls**t.  Name one.

A Song of Ice and Fire series, ever read them?

Well ASOIAF has a lot of protagonists, but heroes are in very short supply - it, like WOT, has a lot of plot threads running concurrently, with none really getting precedence.

Which is a serious problem. Those books just barely pass because they're written so damn well and the characters are fleshed out.


But this Deception? (Because, let's face it, the title is the only accurate thing about the book. It's a lie and travesty to the rest of the Mass Effect series.) This is utter bullcrap. I mean, hell, all of the information is on the wiki. He could've taken a minute or two for each and every one of these errors and found out what things are actually like. This is disgusting. Even the comics were better!

[Bad King]

Renegade Wolf wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

So, was feeling mischievous:

@PatrickWeekes @bellecanto114 @annlemay @Sylvf1: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/… So ME writers (and editor)... any thoughts?

They are probably pretty annoyed at how poorly the book deals with the universe they worked hard to build

Not if it makes them moar money.

[izmirtheastarach]

Bad King wrote...

Renegade Wolf wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

So, was feeling mischievous:

@PatrickWeekes @bellecanto114 @annlemay @Sylvf1: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/… So ME writers (and editor)... any thoughts?

They are probably pretty annoyed at how poorly the book deals with the universe they worked hard to build

Not if it makes them moar money.

Makes who more money? Do you think the ME3 team is going to receive bonuses because some terrible book sold well? And hopefully it doesn't do well, and maybe the message will get through to EA.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:25 .

[Zandercode]

I tried to give it a chance after reading that other short exerpt, but after this... I'm usually not one to be negative but there are simply no redeeming qualities so far. The lore is reliably wrong, the style is choppy and list-y, already I've spotted nearly a dozen basic grammatical errors so far, there has been no real hook or reason to care about the characters, Gillian's reaction to the news of her father's death and her resolution to seek vengeance comes way too fast without any sort of build up, the pace is too fast at times when some description is needed and too slow due to unnecessary exposition that is rarely even correct in the first place at times there is no reason to slow down, and so on. It really looks quite simply terrible, and I mean that in the most constructive way possible.

Modifié par Zandercode, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:52 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Zandercode wrote...

I tried to give it a chance after reading that other short exerpt, but after this... I'm usually not one to be negative but there are simply no redeeming qualities so far. The lore is reliably wrong, the style is choppy and list-y, already I've spotted at nearly a dozen basic grammatical errors so far, there has been no real hook or reason to care about the characters, Gillian's reaction to the news of her father's death and her resolution to seek vengeance comes way too fast without any sort of build up, the pace is too fast at times when some description is needed and too slow due to unnecessary exposition that is rarely even correct in the first place at times there is no reason to slow down, and so on. It really looks quite simply terrible, and I mean that in the most constructive way possible.

Yep. I don't think anyone say down to read this hoping it would be terrible. But once you read it you can't pretend that it's not. 

[AVPen]

didymos1120 wrote...

Oh, besides the fact that the age is wrong, there's another issue with this:

At eighteen Gillian qualified as an adult...

Not on a quarian ship, she don't. Nobody qualifies as an adult in quarian society unless they've completed their Pilgrimage. Age don't matter for jack.

God dammit, Deitz is really pissin' me off with all these errors (particulary all the errors on the quarians, for some reason). <_<

Thank god I didn't have any plans to buy this book in the first place. 

[Elvis_Mazur]

Well, I have to admit I wouldn't be a bit disappointed about the plot holes if it weren't for you guys. The whole thing about that girl's age is, for example, something I don't remember. I only remember that she was very young.

I really hope they are not counting on that, because it would be very shameful.

[izmirtheastarach]

PetrySilva wrote...

Well, I have to admit I wouldn't be a bit disappointed about the plot holes if it weren't for you guys. The whole thing about that girl's age is, for example, something I don't remember. I only remember that she was very young.

I really hope they are not counting on that, because it would be very shameful.

Apologies for having just read Ascension. The kids in the book are twelve. And any basic knowledge of the timeline tells you that only three years have passed between these books. It's not a huge leap, but it's an incredibly stupid one. Why couldn't they be 16? What difference would that have made to anything? Even what we've seen of Dietz clumsy plot would not be affected. In fact it would make more sense. Why does Nick, an adult, have these babysitters? Why do his parents make it sound like he is a child in their care? Bizarre.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:13 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

They're not his parents.

[izmirtheastarach]

Random Jerkface wrote...

They're not his parents.

No, I mean his actual parents.

"Nick’s father was furious.He blamed Anderson and Kahlee for his son’s disappearance, calling them “careless” and “negligent.

If I'm Anderson, I'd wonder why these people are making it sound like I was in charge of their adult son. Like I should have kept him on a leash or something. Also why this man keeps asking me for permission to do things as though he's asking if we can go for ice cream or something.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[Wulfram]

If Gillian was 16, you'd expect people to stop her going off on some crazy quest for vengeance.

[izmirtheastarach]

Wulfram wrote...

If Gillian was 16, you'd expect people to stop her going off on some crazy quest for vengeance.

Who is going to stop her? She can toss you around like a rag-doll.

[Wulfram]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Who is going to stop her? She can toss you around like a rag-doll.

Well, at the least you'd expect people to try to stop her.  It would be a significantly different story if she was a runaway who'd used her powers to steal a ship from the Quarians.

[izmirtheastarach]

Wulfram wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Who is going to stop her? She can toss you around like a rag-doll.

Well, at the least you'd expect people to try to stop her.  It would be a significantly different story if she was a runaway who'd used her powers to steal a ship from the Quarians.

It would also be a significantly different story if she was actually the same troubled Autistic girl from Ascension. But she's not. She's just a generic 18 year old girl now.

[AVPen]

Wulfram wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Who is going to stop her? She can toss you around like a rag-doll.

Well, at the least you'd expect people to try to stop her.  It would be a significantly different story if she was a runaway who'd used her powers to steal a ship from the Quarians.

And as I recall, stealing a ship in the quarian society is a capital offense, so yeah, that would make a more interesting story.... though doesn't look like Dietz is going that route, instead just having the quarians stupidly give a 16 year old (oh, sorry, Dietz, I mean an "18 year old") human girl the new ship they recently gained (and star ships, which I don't need to remind BSN readers, are one of the quarians' most prized resources).

Modifié par AVPen, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:12 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

It's a running joke it must be, Somebody must have asked Dietz "why don't you just have the quarians turn over a spaceship(As you know their most precious items) to a human girl of ..hmm lets say 16-18 years of age, Her tutor and a guy who openly admits to be a Cerberus agent?"

And Dietz must have taken it as a challenge.

[izmirtheastarach]

AVPen wrote...

And as I recall, stealing a ship in the quarian society is a capital offense, so yeah, that would make a more interesting story.... though doesn't look like Dietz is going that route, instead just having the quarians stupidly give a 16 year old (oh, sorry, Dietz, I mean an "18 year old") human girl the new ship they recently gained (and star ships, which I don't need to remind BSN readers, are one of the quarians' most prized resources).

And,much to Hendel’s amazement, she was right.

And, because I (Dietz) couldn't come up with anything more interesting, she was right.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:18 .