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[izmirtheastarach]

JeffZero wrote...

I know.

As you know, I know that you know.

[CaptainZaysh]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist.  He must know rules as fundamental as "show, don't tell."  He must know the story needs a strong protagonist.  It's inconceivable that he doesn't.

This is the question that was eating me: why is it so bad, so very bad?  And I think we have our answer.  Time limitations.  Time limitations force you to do imperfect work; extreme time limitations force you to choose between delivering dreadful work or not delivering.

Dietz was in the Navy, and he pays the rent with his writing.  He knows that delivering quality work is a lesser concern than the importance of actually delivering work, even if it's not great work, when needed.  Like Patton said, "A good plan, violently executed now, is better than the perfect plan next week."  I think he must have been given a stupid deadline, and done what he could within that deadline.  It's the only thing that can explain why it is so bad.  So very, very bad.

[didymos1120]

Honestly, though, I would have been content with the artlessness if he'd just gotten the details right and had coherent plot points.

[Tesla17]

I don't like his writing style. I don't like it at all. It feels expositional, while being overly simplistic. I've so far only read the prologue, but that felt contrived enough as it is.

"But most of all he didn’t like the Batarians themselves. Not because so many of them were pirates, slavers, but because they were aliens and therefore a threat to the human race. That made him an extremist, not to mention a racist, and that was fine with Leng."

Really? Really? Does Leng honestly admit to being a full fledged extremist? I cannot recall in Revelations any one time where he acknowledged himself as an extremist. He, like the Illusive man, thought their methods were what was necessary for the preservation of the human race. That seems to me that he doesn't fashion himself an extremist in the slightest.

[TMA LIVE]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist.  He must know rules as fundamental as "show, don't tell."  He must know the story needs a strong protagonist.  It's inconceivable that he doesn't.

This is the question that was eating me: why is it so bad, so very bad?  And I think we have our answer.  Time limitations.  Time limitations force you to do imperfect work; extreme time limitations force you to choose between delivering dreadful work or not delivering.

Dietz was in the Navy, and he pays the rent with his writing.  He knows that delivering quality work is a lesser concern than the importance of actually delivering work, even if it's not great work, when needed.  Like Patton said, "A good plan, violently executed now, is better than the perfect plan next week."  I think he must have been given a stupid deadline, and done what he could within that deadline.  It's the only thing that can explain why it is so bad.  So very, very bad.

Time was not the issue. He got the job back in 2010, around July. He had more then a year.

[izmirtheastarach]

Does anyone in the real world actually say "I'm a racist".

[CaptainZaysh]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Time was not the issue. He got the job back in 2010, around July. He had more then a year.

You don't know that.  Maybe he only had a short time to present the draft to the publishers.  The game launch date was pushed back, remember: maybe they originally thought they needed it by October so it would be typeset, edited, marketed, printed and distributed to be on the shelves in time.

[TMA LIVE]

I got the article right there. You don't believe an actual fact?

And the game being pushed back would only mean he'd have more time to work on it.

It was also meant to be release in December. So it also got extended.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 25 janvier 2012 - 03:48 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist. .

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

In fact, being a professional "writer" is about as vague and misinformed a label as any.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 25 janvier 2012 - 03:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

Read them yourself:

Dated: Jul 21, 2010

http://news.bigdownl...william-c-diet/

April 5, 2011
http://sf-fantasy.su...fect-novel.html

[TMA LIVE]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist. .

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

In fact, being a professional "writer" is about as vague and misinformed a label as any.

Profession just means you're a writer who's paid for his work.

Paul Anderson is paid for being the writer for the Resident Evil movies. You call him a professional writer?

[CaptainZaysh]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I got the article right there. You don't believe an actual fact?

I believe the article, I'm saying you're making an assumption that his deadline was a year after he was engaged.

TMA LIVE wrote...
And the game being pushed back would only mean he'd have more time to work on it.

It was also meant to be release in December. So it also got extended.

Okay.  Article in July, planned release for December.  Ten weeks from late July would mean the manuscript deadline was mid-October.

Could the publishers have wanted the manuscript a month and a half before release?  I'm no expert but that doesn't seem outrageous to me.  So maybe he did have a ten week deadline.  It'd answer a lot of questions for me.

(And just because the devs got an extension doesn't mean they'd go back to the author and say, hey, that manuscript we already paid you for, d'you wanna work on it for a couple more months?)

[TMA LIVE]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I got the article right there. You don't believe an actual fact?

I believe the article, I'm saying you're making an assumption that his deadline was a year after he was engaged.

TMA LIVE wrote...
And the game being pushed back would only mean he'd have more time to work on it.

It was also meant to be release in December. So it also got extended.

Okay.  Article in July, planned release for December.  Ten weeks from late July would mean the manuscript deadline was mid-October.

Wrong. Jul 2010 to December of 2011.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 25 janvier 2012 - 03:56 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

It's unreasonable to give someone ten weeks to write a novel and expect anything more than mediocrity.  Ten week novel deadlines are designs for mediocrity.  Which, when you think about it, might explain why game novels are really often quite mediocre.  The writers got to spend as much time on the whole novel as they might normally spend crafting a chapter.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist. .

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

In fact, being a professional "writer" is about as vague and misinformed a label as any.

Profession just means you're a writer who's paid for his work.

Paul Anderson is paid for being the writer for the Resident Evil movies. You call him a professional writer?

Yes? 

[TMA LIVE]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist. .

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

In fact, being a professional "writer" is about as vague and misinformed a label as any.

Profession just means you're a writer who's paid for his work.

Paul Anderson is paid for being the writer for the Resident Evil movies. You call him a professional writer?

Yes? 

Now would you say the quality of his writing is good, despite being "professional"?

[TMA LIVE]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

It's unreasonable to give someone ten weeks to write a novel and expect anything more than mediocrity.  Ten week novel deadlines are designs for mediocrity.  Which, when you think about it, might explain why game novels are really often quite mediocre.  The writers got to spend as much time on the whole novel as they might normally spend crafting a chapter.

It's unreasonable to assume he was given 10 weeks for this book when you have no evidence to back that up.

[GMagnum]

aye mayb he wus typin da story den he had 2 use da bathroom he had 2 take number 2 den when he finish he flush da toilet n den da swirl of da toilet suk him inside he swirlin n da toilet n he lyke omg o noooooo wat happenin den he suk in2 da drain den he keep gettin suked by da water den he come out da pipe n he get up n luk around n he n da middle of nowhere den he see sumthin comin toward him he lyke omg wat dat den it com close n he hella horrifiy cuz it a man w/ nipples 4 legs den da dude say dat ur da chosen 1 2 save us frum da niptrix n den da dude is lyke wat da niptrix n da dude is lyke dat where all da nipple ppl r n den he lyke ok let go den da dude fly away w/ his nipples as wing w/ da writer on da dude bak den dey land in da nipple hq den da dude sit down n da chair n den he jack in2 da niptrix n den he meet w/ agent areola n den da writer say ur goin down areola den dey fite n den areola whoop dis dude azz den he lyke omg how do i win den his father appear as a hologram n den he lyke omg dad is dat u den he say do dat thing u saw i did 2 ur mom wen u walk in on us n da bedroom den da writer get up den twist areola nipple den areola omg nooooo dat my weakness den da writer kick da dude in da mouf n den he die den areola die n den he come bak 2 da land of nipple n den he lyke omg i save yall n den da nippel ppl lyke omg thnx u get 24/7 acces 2 female nipple den dey send him bak home n den he luk @ da clock n he only got an hour 2 write da story so he jump on da comp n den write da story den turn it in den he hella stress n den he go bak 2 nipple wurld 2 get sum more nipple 2 destress himself n not care about wat happen next n den he luk @ da horizon n den da credit roll tbh

[CaptainZaysh]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Wrong. Jul 2010 to December of 2011.

Hm!  I misread the year.  So how long did he have?

The article in question said...
he did say the Mass Effect[/i]novel was "... due to the publisher in early 2011."

So...five months, minimum.  That's still a tightish deadline (I think the typical novel takes a year) but not tight enough to explain why it's so bad.

[CaptainZaysh]

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's unreasonable to assume he was given 10 weeks for this book when you have no evidence to back that up.

Um, there's no need to be such a dick.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

It's unreasonable to give someone ten weeks to write a novel and expect anything more than mediocrity.  Ten week novel deadlines are designs for mediocrity.  Which, when you think about it, might explain why game novels are really often quite mediocre.  The writers got to spend as much time on the whole novel as they might normally spend crafting a chapter.

You have GOT to be trolling.

You take what Mr. Dietz said about the deadline of his Halo novel, apply it to Deception and act as if that's the only reasonable explanation?

Yeah, okay. You do that.

[CaptainZaysh]

GMagnum wrote...

aye mayb he wus typin da story den he had 2 use da bathroom he had 2 take number 2 den when he finish he flush da toilet n den da swirl of da toilet suk him inside he swirlin n da toilet n he lyke omg o noooooo wat happenin den he suk in2 da drain den he keep gettin suked by da water den he come out da pipe n he get up n luk around n he n da middle of nowhere den he see sumthin comin toward him he lyke omg wat dat den it com close n he hella horrifiy cuz it a man w/ nipples 4 legs den da dude say dat ur da chosen 1 2 save us frum da niptrix n den da dude is lyke wat da niptrix n da dude is lyke dat where all da nipple ppl r n den he lyke ok let go den da dude fly away w/ his nipples as wing w/ da writer on da dude bak den dey land in da nipple hq den da dude sit down n da chair n den he jack in2 da niptrix n den he meet w/ agent areola n den da writer say ur goin down areola den dey fite n den areola whoop dis dude azz den he lyke omg how do i win den his father appear as a hologram n den he lyke omg dad is dat u den he say do dat thing u saw i did 2 ur mom wen u walk in on us n da bedroom den da writer get up den twist areola nipple den areola omg nooooo dat my weakness den da writer kick da dude in da mouf n den he die den areola die n den he come bak 2 da land of nipple n den he lyke omg i save yall n den da nippel ppl lyke omg thnx u get 24/7 acces 2 female nipple den dey send him bak home n den he luk @ da clock n he only got an hour 2 write da story so he jump on da comp n den write da story den turn it in den he hella stress n den he go bak 2 nipple wurld 2 get sum more nipple 2 destress himself n not care about wat happen next n den he luk @ da horizon n den da credit roll tbh

That explanation actually makes as much sense as any, I've seen so far, tbh.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Just saying, he had no 10 week excuse. And neither did the guys reviewing his work.

It's got to be the explanation.  Seriously, the guy is a professional novelist. .

Yeah? He's a professional whose "profession" is writing for a living. That doesn't absolve him of mediocrity.

In fact, being a professional "writer" is about as vague and misinformed a label as any.

Profession just means you're a writer who's paid for his work.

Paul Anderson is paid for being the writer for the Resident Evil movies. You call him a professional writer?

Yes? 

Now would you say the quality of his writing is good, despite being "professional"?

Never ever said that, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[izmirtheastarach]

Anyone who has contributed to this thread could easily take a single pass through this book in a one work day, and correct most of the problems easiy. It's not that hard. Did Dietz not have a day or two to sit down and make sure this stuff was correct and made sense?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:04 .