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[didymos1120]

And what's with this Level One, Level Two, Level Three classification of biotics nonsense? Did Dietz get confused by the amp designations or something? Nothing like this has ever been used before in any of the games, comics or novels.

[Wulfram]

DarthCaine wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

They still have vagina, one that use to give birth to their children.

You don't know that, it was never said.

For all you know, Asari are all She-Males

Not unless Liara is rather poorly endowed

[Anacronian Stryx]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm confused. How can blood and guts get sucked out, yet mass effect feels can make a body fall down hard to the ground, within the same room?

They were in a vacuum but the book does mentions that the artificial gravity was still on.

[Brownfinger]

Eh, Dietz.
He's a good enough writer, but I think that when it comes to a universe as meticulous and deep as Mass Effect, I'd prefer to read material from someone who knows the universe backward and forward.

Just finished Invasion, for instance. Fantastic stuff.

[TMA LIVE]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm confused. How can blood and guts get sucked out, yet mass effect feels can make a body fall down hard to the ground, within the same room?

They were in a vacuum but the book does mentions that the artificial gravity was still on.

Which confuses me. If you got gravity, how is blood and guts getting sucked, instead of just falling down?

[KotorEffect3]

Boy the nitpickers have come out today.

[Wulfram]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Boy the nitpickers have come out today.

How rare on the BSN!

[YNation913]

The PLC wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Miranda has the whole 'I'm perfect' thing going for her. That might have something to do with it. But this Gillian thing is just inexcusable. 

Its not the fact that she looks young but she is too old to actually be genetically engineered to have enhanced biotic abilities. That would have had to happen before Humans actually knew much of anything about biotics.

Oh... right. Didn't know that. It's still a more understandable screw up than Gillian's age. 

If they can contrive a way for a biotic Shepard to not have been involved with BAaT, there's probably a special circumstance regarding Miranda's acquisition of biotics after birth (likely something her father forced her into).

[didymos1120]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Boy the nitpickers have come out today.

It's one thing to have a few errors, but the book is consistently getting stuff wrong every few pages or so.  Some of it spectacularly wrong: e.g. Gillian being 2-3 years older than she should be.  That's not a good sign.  This stuff should have been caught by an editor, at the very least.

[What a Succulent Ass]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Boy the nitpickers have come out today.

Asking for basic coherence and fact-checking isn't nitpicking.

[Tazzmission]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Boy the nitpickers have come out today.

i know right?

[ArkkAngel007]

It's obvious after the first few paragraphs that Dietz did very little to go over the material before writing. Not nitpicking, but when you can pull anything you need to know from the wiki that you can just do a Google search on...it just really makes it hard for me to excuse the way he handled it. Say what you will about his atrocious narrative skills (Stephenie Meyer at least kept her books moving along at a good pace), but Dietz at least put a lot of work into The Flood. Here, I don't see that same level of attention to detail, which is rather ironic since that is what he tries so hard to focus on.

I'll still read the book and probably still enjoy the story like I did with the others, but I can tell that it's going to be a bit rough to go through.

[Tazzmission]

AwesomeName wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

And what's with this Level One, Level Two, Level Three classification of biotics nonsense? Did Dietz get confused by the amp designations or something? Nothing like this has ever been used before in any of the games, comics or novels.

I'm guessing it's just something they do at "the Cube" - sort of like how a martial arts dojo have different coloured belts - rather than a some sort of galactic standard.

actually the level 2 and 3 stuff is explained in me1 when you talk to chawkwas about kaiden as a biotic.


so it isnt really anything new

[didymos1120]

Tazzmission wrote...


actually the level 2 and 3 stuff is explained in me1 when you talk to chawkwas about kaiden as a biotic.


so it isnt really anything new

Actually, those are implant designations, not a classification of strength.  As I already said.

[didymos1120]

AwesomeName wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

And what's with this Level One, Level Two, Level Three classification of biotics nonsense? Did Dietz get confused by the amp designations or something? Nothing like this has ever been used before in any of the games, comics or novels.

I'm guessing it's just something they do at "the Cube" - sort of like how a martial arts dojo have different coloured belts - rather than a some sort of galactic standard.

That's what I thought too, until it came up again in the Gillian section.  We're supposed to think it's a general classification system...that we've never ever heard of despite two novels having large parts set at an academy for biotic children. 

[ArkkAngel007]

AwesomeName wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

And what's with this Level One, Level Two, Level Three classification of biotics nonsense? Did Dietz get confused by the amp designations or something? Nothing like this has ever been used before in any of the games, comics or novels.

I'm guessing it's just something they do at "the Cube" - sort of like how a martial arts dojo have different coloured belts - rather than a some sort of galactic standard.

L1, L2, L3, L5, (haven't seen any L4s to my knowledge) and the guys who went from the L2 to L3 implants (there was a mission focused on it in the original).  They were used rather heavily in ME1, but were only mentioned in the character building and upgrades menu of ME2.  These correlate to the biotic implant necessary to focus dark matter, and are an indication of levels of strength and stability.

However, peaks and valleys of said strengths, as well as focus, are dependent on the individual (or species).  Asari for example, do not have a classification, because they do not need implants to manipulate dark matter.

Dietz though should have kept it to L[insert number], though, because while an L5 is basically stronger than and L2 at a minimal level, an L2 having a peak in their abilities can possibly outmatch an L5.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:04 .

[Wulfram]

Having some sort of numerical biotic rating makes sense to me, even if it hasn't appeared in the setting before. Though I'd expect there to be more than just 3 ranks really.

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:02 .

[didymos1120]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


L1, L2, L3, L5, (haven't seen any L4s to my knowledge) and the guys who went from the L2 to L3 implants (there was a mission focused on it in the original).  They were used rather heavily in ME1, but were only mentioned in the character building and upgrades menu of ME2.  These correlate to the biotic implant necessary to focus dark matter, and are an indication of levels of strength and stability.

No, they don't indicate innate strength. They are designations of implant models only. L2 implants are said to "spike higher" but be less safe than L3's, but that's completely different from being an indicator of innate biotic potential or acquired skill, which is how this "level" stuff is described in the excerpt (which tops out at "Level Three", not five).

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:06 .

[CaptainZaysh]

A bigger problem than the numerous lore errors is that so far the story is dreadfully boring, and there is no protagonist.

[Brownfinger]

didymos1120 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Boy the nitpickers have come out today.

It's one thing to have a few errors, but the book is consistently getting stuff wrong every few pages or so.  Some of it spectacularly wrong: e.g. Gillian being 2-3 years older than she should be.  That's not a good sign.  This stuff should have been caught by an editor, at the very least.

This.
It's really not unreasonable to expect accuracy to the source material. I don't know why any sensible fan would settle for a clumsy interpetation.

[ArkkAngel007]

Wulfram wrote...

Having some sort of numerical biotic rating makes sense to me, even if it hasn't appeared in the setting before. Though I'd expect there to be more than just 3 ranks really.

There was a booklet included in the Mass Effect Collectors Edition that went surprising in-depth on the subject.  Biotics are organized by species and biotic implants was the basic message of it, though it went into detail on the various races and the different implants. 

But, it seems this book (which I take with a grain of salt) seems to have some leveling system that really, to me, doesn't fit well.  So much goes into biotics is that it's hard to really classify them.  Sure, implants can help someone reach their potential, but only to a point.  Peaks, valleys, uncontrollable outbursts, focus time, skill...you can keep going.  Some species are stronger than others (Asari are very powerful, while Krogan are rather weak) as well, which complicates it further.

If anything, he should have just had a remark on how proficient the biotics were or guess at the implant.  Better yet, generalizing the point is probably better than pulling a (supposedly) false-detail out of thin air.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:14 .

[TMA LIVE]

didymos1120 wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

And what's with this Level One, Level Two, Level Three classification of biotics nonsense? Did Dietz get confused by the amp designations or something? Nothing like this has ever been used before in any of the games, comics or novels.

I'm guessing it's just something they do at "the Cube" - sort of like how a martial arts dojo have different coloured belts - rather than a some sort of galactic standard.

That's what I thought too, until it came up again in the Gillian section.  We're supposed to think it's a general classification system...that we've never ever heard of despite two novels having large parts set at an academy for biotic children. 

Well, L2, L3 and L5 have been thrown around. Aren't they short for Level 2, Level 3, and Level 5?