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[Shifty-looking Chicken]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Big R Deezel wrote...

with ME3 coming out soon i decided to play through ME1 and 2 again. the only thing i havent decided on is the romance. ive come up with three different choice but dont know what to choose. what do yall think?

A) Romance ashley in ME1 and no one in ME2, staying faithful to ashley

Romance no one in ME1 and Miranda in ME2, staying faithful to Miranda, or

C) Romance ashley in ME1 then romance miranda in ME2 and see how everything plays out with the consequences that will aparently play a roll in ME3 for not staying faithful to one of them.

Let me know what yall think.

OPTION B!!

I played ME2 first. Months Later I played ME1. I STAYED LOYAL TO MIRI<3!!

Sorry for being LOUD. I just wanted to get My Point Across, Thank You VERY Much!

I also like to ENUNCIATE and EMPHASIZE at times!

YOU"RE QUITE RIGHT; CAPITAL LETTERS ARE FUN!

[Stalker]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Not talking with Ashley at all does it, IIRC. I made the mistake of talking with her on the Normandy...once. But as it is, my Shepard is relieved that he can treat Horizon as a break-up and doesn't need to confess that he never really loved her but just didn't manage to push her away at Ilos.

Miranda, though...she's the type to remove all thoughts of other women from Cyrus Shepard's mind.

I'm currently stuck there on my current, new playthrough. I have had the same thoughts, but I don't know if I should let myself getting ninjamanced on purpose.

Maybe it's the overall reputation of Shepard, seducing every squadmate he gets with some additional interesting side-plot in ME3... or he's only romancing Miranda, maybe rating her higher as the only LI ever...

Descisions, Descisions...

[Ieldra]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Not talking with Ashley at all does it, IIRC. I made the mistake of talking with her on the Normandy...once. But as it is, my Shepard is relieved that he can treat Horizon as a break-up and doesn't need to confess that he never really loved her but just didn't manage to push her away at Ilos.

Miranda, though...she's the type to remove all thoughts of other women from Cyrus Shepard's mind.

I'm currently stuck there on my current, new playthrough. I have had the same thoughts, but I don't know if I should let myself getting ninjamanced on purpose.

Maybe it's the overall reputation of Shepard, seducing every squadmate he gets with some additional interesting side-plot in ME3... or he's only romancing Miranda, maybe rating her higher as the only LI ever...

Descisions, Descisions...

I didn't let myself get ninja 'manced on purpose. It was an accident. I just decided to roll with it and give it a good in-character explanation afterwards, instead of replaying from first leaving the Citadel or letting Ashley die on Virmire.

That won't happen with Miranda in ME3 though. If necessary, I'll replay ten times to get the story exactly as I want it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

If necessary, I'll replay ten times to get the story exactly as I want it.

What do you mean by this?

edit: I know what you mean, but... damn... How do you want the story?

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[Stalker]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Not talking with Ashley at all does it, IIRC. I made the mistake of talking with her on the Normandy...once. But as it is, my Shepard is relieved that he can treat Horizon as a break-up and doesn't need to confess that he never really loved her but just didn't manage to push her away at Ilos.

Miranda, though...she's the type to remove all thoughts of other women from Cyrus Shepard's mind.

I'm currently stuck there on my current, new playthrough. I have had the same thoughts, but I don't know if I should let myself getting ninjamanced on purpose.

Maybe it's the overall reputation of Shepard, seducing every squadmate he gets with some additional interesting side-plot in ME3... or he's only romancing Miranda, maybe rating her higher as the only LI ever...

Descisions, Descisions...

I didn't let myself get ninja 'manced on purpose. It was an accident. I just decided to roll with it and give it a good in-character explanation afterwards, instead of replaying from first leaving the Citadel or letting Ashley die on Virmire.

That won't happen with Miranda in ME3 though. If necessary, I'll replay ten times to get the story exactly as I want it.

Exactly what I meant. It was an accident the first time, but I am playing it again (various reasons), and I could correct this mistake. I am not sure if I really should, though...

[DarkPsylocke26]

Ashley

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

If necessary, I'll replay ten times to get the story exactly as I want it.

What do you mean by this?

edit: I know what you mean, but... damn... How do you want the story?

To avoid spoilers: to make decisions so that both the shape of the galaxy, Miranda's and Shepard's romance and their place in the galaxy come out in the end exactly as I want them. If possible. Aspects are a break-up of the political status quo, a general spirit of advancement and exploration after the war, and Miranda and Shepard as embodiments of that spirit, featuring things like a galaxy-wide roll-out of Lazarus technology, and Miranda using her father's technology to circumvent her infertility, thereby, among other things, making the point that what was done with a technology does not morally invalidate it. That does include Reaper technology (which will possibly not be Reaper technology any more since the Reapers won't exist any more).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:44 .

[naledgeborn]

Oddly enough I'm going for an Ash >> Jack playthrough this next one. Renegade decision maker with a Paragon disposition (Spacer/Ruthless). Should be an interesting game.

My canon is Liara >> Miri with an official break up after LotSB. And I have a Spacer set aside for Ash that made it through without "moving on".

My advice is go with option C. I heard Ash will say some nasty things about Miranda and vise-versa. Go with who ever you feel is right during the exchange in ME3.

[Creedio]

I really like them both! but I'm in love with Ashley
(I did option c in my first playthrough though)

[Brinker72]

I have the same problem as Mr Massakka.
Before this thread dies, I would like to finally decide for my playthrough. Hope you can help me with your opinion:

Path 1: Ninjamancing Ashley (without sex) and romancing Miranda, to stay with Miranda in ME3
+ possible interesting side-plot about "cheating"
(- this could impact negatively on the Miranda romance)
- After meeting Miranda, I don't really want to romance Ashley anymore
(+ however, without meeting Miranda, I would romance her)
- strange reputation of seducing every female squadmember
- working with the ex in ME3 

Path 2: Just romancing Miranda without touching Ashley
+ I prefer Miranda over Ashley
+ Miranda as the first and only LI
- Sounds weird, but I feel like cheating my own playthrough with rejecting a LI that I would have romanced without meeting Miranda

...please let me know what you would do, considering these Pro-Cons...or add more to explain your own opinion...
I need HELP!

Modifié par Brinker72, 24 janvier 2012 - 09:27 .

[Billabong2011]

Always Miranda (I'm sorry, I'm just so biased against Ashley because of that damn dog analogy!!!... otherwise, she's cool).

[BatmanPWNS]

Option C and get them both killed in ME3. *Evil Laugh*

[Ieldra]

Brinker72 wrote...
I have the same problem as Mr Massakka.
Before this thread dies, I would like to finally decide for my playthrough. Hope you can help me with your opinion:

Path 1: Ninjamancing Ashley (without sex) and romancing Miranda, to stay with Miranda in ME3
+ possible interesting side-plot about "cheating"
(- this could impact negatively on the Miranda romance)
- After meeting Miranda, I don't really want to romance Ashley anymore
(+ however, without meeting Miranda, I would romance her)
- strange reputation of seducing every female squadmember
- working with the ex in ME3 

Path 2: Just romancing Miranda without touching Ashley
+ I prefer Miranda over Ashley
+ Miranda as the first and only LI
- Sounds weird, but I feel like cheating my own playthrough with rejecting a LI that I would have romanced without meeting Miranda

...please let me know what you would do, considering these Pro-Cons...or add more to explain your own opinion...
I need HELP!

If I have problems choosing between two options I might like, my solution is always the same: multiple playthroughs. I have three for my main Shepard: two of them are: Wrex and Council alive, no Ashley romance; Wrex and Council dead, romanced Ashley. There is only one fixed element: my main Shepard will be with Miranda at the end.

[Stalker]

Brinker72 wrote...

I have the same problem as Mr Massakka.
Before this thread dies, I would like to finally decide for my playthrough. Hope you can help me with your opinion:

Path 1: Ninjamancing Ashley (without sex) and romancing Miranda, to stay with Miranda in ME3
+ possible interesting side-plot about "cheating"
(- this could impact negatively on the Miranda romance)
- After meeting Miranda, I don't really want to romance Ashley anymore
(+ however, without meeting Miranda, I would romance her)
- strange reputation of seducing every female squadmember
- working with the ex in ME3 

Path 2: Just romancing Miranda without touching Ashley
+ I prefer Miranda over Ashley
+ Miranda as the first and only LI
- Sounds weird, but I feel like cheating my own playthrough with rejecting a LI that I would have romanced without meeting Miranda

...please let me know what you would do, considering these Pro-Cons...or add more to explain your own opinion...
I need HELP!

I am currently tending to path 2. As long as no one can convince me different, I will probably go with it.
I even have problems naming a single Con there, as your Con doesn't apply to me...

[Zkyire]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Miranda pisses me off so much.

"Look at me Shepard, I'm perfect. Do you see how perfect I am? I am absolutely perfect in every way. God I hate being so absolutely perfect. It's such a hard life being perfect in every way, knowing that everyone else knows you're perfect too. Pity me."

Ashley all the way.

---The Point---




---Your Head---

---How much you think I care---





---How much I actually care---

[AgitatedLemon]

Brinker72 wrote...

I have the same problem as Mr Massakka.
Before this thread dies, I would like to finally decide for my playthrough. Hope you can help me with your opinion:

Path 1: Ninjamancing Ashley (without sex) and romancing Miranda, to stay with Miranda in ME3
+ possible interesting side-plot about "cheating"
(- this could impact negatively on the Miranda romance)
- After meeting Miranda, I don't really want to romance Ashley anymore
(+ however, without meeting Miranda, I would romance her)
- strange reputation of seducing every female squadmember
- working with the ex in ME3 

Path 2: Just romancing Miranda without touching Ashley
+ I prefer Miranda over Ashley
+ Miranda as the first and only LI
- Sounds weird, but I feel like cheating my own playthrough with rejecting a LI that I would have romanced without meeting Miranda

...please let me know what you would do, considering these Pro-Cons...or add more to explain your own opinion...
I need HELP!

Do what I did. Both.

Of course, I'm personally making my Miranda-only playthrough my #1 canon.

[AgitatedLemon]

Zkyire wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Miranda pisses me off so much.

"Look at me Shepard, I'm perfect. Do you see how perfect I am? I am absolutely perfect in every way. God I hate being so absolutely perfect. It's such a hard life being perfect in every way, knowing that everyone else knows you're perfect too. Pity me."

Ashley all the way.

---The Point---




---Your Head---

---How much you think I care---





---How much I actually care---

Says a lot about your intelligence.

Missing the point, acknowledging it, then not caring.

And still holding a blind, idiotic hatred for the thing in question.

[Zkyire]

nelly21 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

She's annoyed because she was engineered to be "perfect" and hates it because she's unsure if all or any of her achievements, successes or failures are down to her engineering or down to "her".

This is the central reason that I find her to be one of the deepest characters in the game. She is engineered to be perfect in every way. But she isn't. Furthermore, she struggles with insecurities that reveal themselves the more you speak with her. Her romanced character is very different from her initial character. There are layers beneath the ice queen persona she hides behind. Ashley, on the other hand,  doesn't evolve at all. She is the same person post romance as she is pre romance as she is in ME 2. No complication, no layers. She wears who she is on her sleeves.

I find Miranda to be a better fit to Shep but I love Ashley as well. Like Jacob, she doesn't complain or need a crutch. But that is at the expense of complexity. They are who they are.

If your impression is that she only talks about her engineering, then you didn't get very far with Miranda. But hey it's your game. You play it however the hell you want.

I've only ever "romanced" Miranda on plays where I'd save it before hand, do the scenes, and then reload the save to continue as normal like it never happened.

I genuinely dislike her character.

Between the camera shots of her ass while she's asking you to help her, to her lamenting about her genetic enhancements. So many people would be thrilled to have accomplished half of what she has, and yet she's down about it. Even her lifespan which she notes will be longer than the average human lifespan, even that she says with a hint of regret.

It's like she's been given the world and all she can say is "...sigh".

It irks me.

Compared to Ashley, who has endured some humiliation because of her family history, yet she STILL chose to join the Alliance. Knowing she likely may never get far because of her family.

[Ieldra]

Perhaps it would be nice to keep this "my invisible friend is better than yours" out of this thread.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 09:58 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

If chickens ate popcorn, I would be having some right now.

[Zkyire]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Miranda pisses me off so much.

"Look at me Shepard, I'm perfect. Do you see how perfect I am? I am absolutely perfect in every way. God I hate being so absolutely perfect. It's such a hard life being perfect in every way, knowing that everyone else knows you're perfect too. Pity me."

Ashley all the way.

---The Point---




---Your Head---

---How much you think I care---





---How much I actually care---

Says a lot about your intelligence.

Missing the point, acknowledging it, then not caring.

And still holding a blind, idiotic hatred for the thing in question.

Step One: Read my second post in this thread.

Step Two: Stop being an internet hardman.

[Zkyire]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Perhaps it would be nice to keep this "my invisible friend is better than yours" out of this thread.

"Miranda OR Ashley."

Implying people disscuss *why* they prefer to choose one over the other?

"Miranda because Miranda is awesome!"

or

Ashley because Ashley is awesome!"

With nothing to compare the two isn't much of a discussion.

o.O

Modifié par Zkyire, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:02 .

[Ieldra]

Zkyire wrote...
Between the camera shots of her ass while she's asking you to help her, to her lamenting about her genetic enhancements. So many people would be thrilled to have accomplished half of what she has, and yet she's down about it. Even her lifespan which she notes will be longer than the average human lifespan, even that she says with a hint of regret.

It's like she's been given the world and all she can say is "...sigh".

The reason she feels like that is that her father mistreated her. You are correct: she should recognize her enhancements as something useful and really, really desirable. That she doesn't is, as I see it, one of her character flaws. But it has a reason and it will be dealt with. That's character growth.

Also, there actually is some concern that genetically enhanced people might not be able to see their enhanced abilitiesas their own. It's stupid, really, but people aren't always rational about such things, especially if they've grown up in dysfunctional families.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[MisterJB]

Zkyire wrote...
Between the camera shots of her ass while she's asking you to help her,

Bioware's fault. You can't judge the character because of some obnoxious camera angles.
Believe me, no one hates those shots more than her fans.
 

to her lamenting about her genetic enhancements. So many people would be thrilled to have accomplished half of what she has, and yet she's down about it. Even her lifespan which she notes will be longer than the average human lifespan, even that she says with a hint of regret.

It's like she's been given the world and all she can say is "...sigh".

It irks me.

Hmmm...understandable, I suposse. Not the first time we have heard this complaint.

And yet, that is one of the things that makes her character complex. Mundane people like you and me look at her gifts and see blessings. And, while Miranda appreciates that they allow her to achieve the impossible, at her core she dislikes them and for understandable (even if I don't agree with her) reasons.
And yet, why does Miranda outlook bother you? She does not allow her self loathing to prevent her from using her skills to help others.

Compared to Ashley, who has endured some humiliation because of her family history, yet she STILL chose to join the Alliance. Knowing she likely may never get far because of her family.

And Miranda risked her life/freedom to save her sister, knowing that she can never meet her regardless of how much she wants to.
And Miranda joined Cerberus to protect and advance humanity despite knowing that she will be called a terrorist by the very people she is trying to help.

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:11 .

[Zkyire]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...
Between the camera shots of her ass while she's asking you to help her, to her lamenting about her genetic enhancements. So many people would be thrilled to have accomplished half of what she has, and yet she's down about it. Even her lifespan which she notes will be longer than the average human lifespan, even that she says with a hint of regret.

It's like she's been given the world and all she can say is "...sigh".

The reason she feels like that is that her father mistreated her. You are correct: she should recognize her enhancements as something useful and really, really desirable. That she doesn't is, as I see it, one of her character flaws. But it has a reason and it will be dealt with. That's character growth.

Also, there actually is some concern that genetically enhanced people might not be able to see their enhanced abilitiesas their own. It's stupid, really, but people aren't always rational.

Well she comes off as spoiled to me.

Like an incredibly rich child who has been given all the wealth in the world and then feels sad that they never got to prove themselves.

It's a valid point to be sure.

But it can still make one stand back and note: Amidst all the poverty and suffering in the world.. you're complaining because you are better than everyone else? You're complaining because you've been given more opportunities than everyone else?


It's like, she was born that way. It'd be like if Grunt complained "..Shepard, am I only such a good fighter because I'm a genetically engineered Krogan?"

Or Jack like "I only accomplish what I can because of my biotics.."

It's who she is. It's who she was born as. But she sort of acts like she's had something taken from her.

I can't bring myself to go through a proper romance with her as the LI because of that attitude. I can understand her reasons but I just can't *support* them.