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[Zkyire]

MisterJB wrote...

Bioware's fault. You can't judge the character because of some obnoxious camera angles.
Believe me, no one hates those shots more than her fans.

That I agree with.

Wasn't a big fan of that. I may have seen her a little differently without those angles.

MisterJB wrote...
Hmmm...understandable, I suposse. Not the first time we have heard this complaint.

And yet, that is one of the things that makes her character complex. Mundane people like you and me look at her gifts and see blessings. And, while Miranda appreciates that they allow her to achieve the impossible, at her core she dislikes them and for understandable reasons.
And yet, why does Miranda outlook bother you? She does not allow her self loathing to prevent her from using her skills to help others.

See you're right, that's just it. I have no genetic enhancements (obviously) I'm a normal guy, so I can't see it from her perspective. And to me that's really where the character breaks down for me.  I understand that a person *could* feel bad about being born that way, but every time I put myself in her shoes I think "No way this is anything but awesome, what is she complaining about?"

MisterJB wrote...
And Miranda risked her life/freedom to save her sister, knowing that she can never meet her regardless of how much she wants to.
And Miranda joined Cerberus to protect and advance humanity despite knowing that she will be called a terrorist by the very people she is trying to help.

Fair point & fair point.

[Ieldra]

Zkyire wrote...
I can't bring myself to go through a proper romance with her as the LI because of that attitude. I can understand her reasons but I just can't *support* them.

And I wouldn't romance her if I didn't think she can grow beyond that attitude. If the writers won't let her grow beyond it, *then* I'll disown her. I have my suspicions of why the writers made her this way, and I do not support the underlying value system at all. But if she grows into what she could be, then it's all been worth it. 

And this bears repeating:

MisterJB wrote...
And Miranda risked her life/freedom to save her sister, knowing that she can never meet her regardless of how much she wants to. And Miranda joined Cerberus to protect and advance humanity despite knowing that she will be called a terrorist by the very people she is trying to help.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And I wouldn't romance her if I didn't think she can grow beyond that attitude. If the writers won't let her grow beyond it, *then* I'll disown her. I have my suspicions of why the writers made her this way, and I do not support the underlying value system at all. But if she grows into what she could be, then it's all been worth it. 

@bolded- How do you mean?

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
And I wouldn't romance her if I didn't think she can grow beyond that attitude. If the writers won't let her grow beyond it, *then* I'll disown her. I have my suspicions of why the writers made her this way, and I do not support the underlying value system at all. But if she grows into what she could be, then it's all been worth it. 

@bolded- How do you mean?

I suspect that her existence was intended to provide an Aesop about the supposed evils of creating life. For that reason, she could not be written as confident about her enhancements and she had to suffer from the fact she's genetically enhanced. After all, there would be no point in calling it evil if it didn't cause suffering, right?

What they likely overlooked is that this totally misses the point. The reason creating life is felt to be immoral by many people is that they feel it usurps the domain of their god(s), or to put it less religiously, that human biology is one of those things that should remain untouchable by human craft to some extent. That it causes suffering is just an unfounded hypothesis with no experimental validation, a kind of wishful thinking people adopt because they wish the creation of life to be immoral. It actually is as silly as Zkyire says it is.

My suspicion that this was, and may still be, the writers' intention is the main reason why I'm really worried about how Miranda's story arc will go in that regard. Because I don't just disagree with that mindset, I count myself an enemy of it and at the start of ME2, I had some hope that it would be subverted by Miranda's story. That was before I realized how thoroughly Paragon-centric the writing is and how much traditional notions of the sacred figure into ME's Paragon mindset at times.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[Durdens Wrath]

jorune24 wrote...

Option C.

You can't be unfaithful to Miranda in the first game because you haven't met her yet and it technically isn't cheating on Ashley to romance Miranda in the second game because as Shepherd you've been dead for two years and the fight you have with Ashley on Horizon is strong grounds for a break-up (arguable due to the reconciliatory letter afterwards). That way when you play ME3 the events can help you decide which you want to finally choose and like most others have pointed out it will be more fun and dramatic. Also according to the devs you can't romance an ME2 character in ME3 without previously romancing her/him/it so if you want the option to pick Miranda only options B and C are going to have that open for you.

That letter was too little too late from Ashley.  She burned all her bridges.  I'll gladly rub my "cheating" in her face if I can.

[Lady Amell]

They both are great characters and it basically goes for who you prefer and personal opinion.

For me it's Ash.

[Peer of the Empire]

Either could be prettier
Ash by a slim margin

[Undead Potatoes]

A. I Dont like Miranda that much

[AgitatedLemon]

Durdens Wrath wrote...

jorune24 wrote...

Option C.

You can't be unfaithful to Miranda in the first game because you haven't met her yet and it technically isn't cheating on Ashley to romance Miranda in the second game because as Shepherd you've been dead for two years and the fight you have with Ashley on Horizon is strong grounds for a break-up (arguable due to the reconciliatory letter afterwards). That way when you play ME3 the events can help you decide which you want to finally choose and like most others have pointed out it will be more fun and dramatic. Also according to the devs you can't romance an ME2 character in ME3 without previously romancing her/him/it so if you want the option to pick Miranda only options B and C are going to have that open for you.

That letter was too little too late from Ashley.  She burned all her bridges.  I'll gladly rub my "cheating" in her face if I can.

 *Highfive*

[AxisEvolve]

I find Miranda more attractive but Ashley is more interesting.

It will be a tough call... probably Ashley though.

[shepard1038]

Just do A and B in different playthrought.

[AgitatedLemon]

Anyway, I'd pick Miranda. I liked Ashley in ME1, but ME2 killed my interest for her, and now I strongly dislike her. The leaks for ME3 haven't helped at all.

I like Miranda (She's my favorite video game character). She's plenty attractive, she has an interesting backstory, her romance is very nice (My favorite for male Shepard), and she's incredibly useful in combat.

Of course, all of this is just my opinion.

[Skullheart]

You should pick Ashley. Miranda isn't a true romance after all and she doesn't have a culmination like Ash.

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

You should pick Ashley. Miranda isn't a true romance after all and she doesn't have a culmination like Ash.

Huh?

[AxisEvolve]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

You should pick Ashley. Miranda isn't a true romance after all and she doesn't have a culmination like Ash.

Huh?

In the game files only a few characters have "true love" as an option. The rest are labeled as "meh" romances, basically.


Pretty lame but hopefully it's just insignificant labeling. 

[AgitatedLemon]

AxisEvolve wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

You should pick Ashley. Miranda isn't a true romance after all and she doesn't have a culmination like Ash.

Huh?

In the game files only a few characters have "true love" as an option. The rest are labeled as "meh" romances, basically.


Pretty lame but hopefully it's just insignificant labeling. 

Oh, yeah, that.

IIRC, only the "main" characters (Squad) are flagged as "true" romances (Plus a few new characters).

Oh well, I'll start a non-imported Shepard for that achievement, and then delete him. Both of my imports are staying with Miranda.

[AxisEvolve]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Oh, yeah, that.

IIRC, only the "main" characters (Squad) are flagged as "true" romances (Plus a few new characters).

Oh well, I'll start a non-imported Shepard for that achievement, and then delete him. Both of my imports are staying with Miranda.

Hmm... I don't see why romancing Miranda wouldn't get you that achievement. 

"
Establish or rekindle a romantic relationship. "

[AgitatedLemon]

AxisEvolve wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Oh, yeah, that.

IIRC, only the "main" characters (Squad) are flagged as "true" romances (Plus a few new characters).

Oh well, I'll start a non-imported Shepard for that achievement, and then delete him. Both of my imports are staying with Miranda.

Hmm... I don't see why romancing Miranda wouldn't get you that achievement. 

"
Establish or rekindle a romantic relationship. "

Unless whoever mined that bit of data missed something, it makes no sense at all.

Granted, "rekindle" could be referring to Garrus, Tali, or the VS, since all of them are former romances, and on the squad. /conspiracy

[Luan]

Why not both?

[AxisEvolve]

Luan wrote...

Why not both?

In reality a DudeShep should be given the option to have all these chicks. It's what 80% of guys would probably do in his shoes.

[Luan]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Luan wrote...

Why not both?

In reality a DudeShep should be given the option to have all these chicks. It's what 80% of guys would probably do in his shoes.

Heck yeah, my shep tries to get with as many chicks as possible.

[AgitatedLemon]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Luan wrote...

Why not both?

In reality a DudeShep should be given the option to have all these chicks. It's what 80% of guys would probably do in his shoes.

Eh, my Shepard(s) wouldn't do that.

The farthest he would go is a voluntary threesome.

[Harkmagic]

 Easy question, romance Ashley, stay faithful to her, and as a present let her shoot Miranda in the face.

[double02]

I'm doing A, but I say go C.