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[FDrage]

Personally one of the reward for "being loyal" is the import at least so far from Me1 to ME2 seeing some of the things etc. While the impact might not have been big, however the one play throught that I played without an import didn't "feel right" to me ... didn't feel complete

[LPPrince]

I wish imports mattered more and were more drastic, but you can only ask for so much.

Still, I think that little game mechanic is a reward in and of itself.

[Rudy Lis]

LPPrince wrote...

I wish imports mattered more and were more drastic, but you can only ask for so much.

Yeah, like calculating little possibility that you sacrificed your LI in ME1 (not on purpose), but remained faithful, for example?

jreezy wrote...

Sounds like an everyday argument on BSN.

I'm pretty sure you perfectly understood what I mean.
Or you want to follow BSN customs?

[SykoWolf]

I've been playing ME since it came out but I believe bioware does what it feels is right, remember it was there artistic vision that created the series in the first place, I have to believe they know what's right for mass effect

[Yuqi]

What's the big deal seriously? I jumped into this series at ME2. If they hadn't have made things understandable for new players, I would have quit after ten minutes. (I hadn't even heard of mass-effect until mid-last year.)

[Rudy Lis]

Yuqi wrote...

What's the big deal seriously? 

We just want notice that we are remembered! Some dogtags and greeting card with "thank you for being with us since 1996 (if you provide them with CD-keys from their old games)" and some in-game mails from 2185 Bioware PR Chris Priestly VII with little appreciation for for "very long service".
I will not specify am I joking or not.

[geekeffect]

I've been a fan of this series since the first game. I think the reward is the fact that your connection with the game, its world and characters, goes deeper.
Having said that, I'd like to add the following:
1) People who buy ME3 have a right to play it and access its content without restrictions. Those of us who played previous games of the series benefit from importing save games and, therefore, unlock certain situations or circumstances that are specific to our previous choices. Which is a big benefit. But I don't think we should get special "trinkets" or bonuses that would be locked and unavailable to new gamers.
2) We all benefit from "new gamers". If ME3 attracts new players and is a huge commercial success, as we all expect, that's the greatest incentive to similar games being produced in the future. It's the incentive we need so that, a few years from now, we get to play another Mass Effect game, who knows, a different story, a different saga, maybe even a whole new trilogy. But, in any case, we all win. So we should welcome new gamers and not raise barriers between "them" and "us", such as this kind of "exclusive content" idea...

[Dracotyr]

 you know what my friend all ur gonna get is a cake u cant eat becuase bioware and ea know that the "fans" are going to buy the game now its all about selling more copies to new people in order to make more money. so get ready to enjoy a whole lotta nothing while the new siblings get all the attention.

[hidden185]

Doonerbandit wrote...

 With the addition of  stuff to attract new fans. I was wondering what can us LOYAL fans who played the first two Mass Effect games can expect as a bonus reward. I don't mean "you can unlock" items I mean when I port my games what bonus items am I going to get. I ask because a lot has been done to attract new fan's eg: Multi-player most LOYAL fans where opposed to, the omni-blade which looks like something from Halo and now an entire hand holding component written into the game JUST for noobs who ignored the first two games. What about us the players who have supported this amaizing franchise since day one. Please just a gun, armour or a casual outfit PLEASE.  

First of all, I would like to saying it more of a priveledge for me than a reward for being as ME2 fan. Maybe its becuase I am the latest fan yet ;3.  (less than 2 months). I am kind of curious too as I vaguely remember parts of the Known features thread talking aobut this.  Wishing I could be more helpful >_<;.

[Ramus Quaritch]

I think there should be an item available to your character if you import an ME2 save file. Importing a save from both ME1 and ME2 is problematic because it excludes the PS3 players. But I think from ME2, which is available to everyone, it would be fair (since that's what Bioware is going for here) to reward playing the previous game with a weapon, armor set, or even Normandy props. Just a thought.

[DownyTif]

What we get is being forced to use Origin!

[android654]

You know whats really sad? People who have done nothing and have an undeserved sense of accomplishment or entitlement. That's the real problem and its a societal problem. People reward mediocrity at all levels and then they feel like some kind of accomplishment has been made in their favor.

BW doesn't owe you anything. If you buy someone's debut album do you expect them to give you the next album because you've been a fan a deserve it? No. Should you get free tickets to see a movie of an actor you've followed for years because you "deserve" it? No. You people are so arrogant to think that anyone owes you anything while doing nothing to earn it. Get off your high horse and either play the game or don't, but don't act like Bioware is breaking a promise that they never made.

...children.

[geekeffect]

android654 wrote...

You know whats really sad? People who have done nothing and have an undeserved sense of accomplishment or entitlement. That's the real problem and its a societal problem. People reward mediocrity at all levels and then they feel like some kind of accomplishment has been made in their favor.

BW doesn't owe you anything. If you buy someone's debut album do you expect them to give you the next album because you've been a fan a deserve it? No. Should you get free tickets to see a movie of an actor you've followed for years because you "deserve" it? No. You people are so arrogant to think that anyone owes you anything while doing nothing to earn it. Get off your high horse and either play the game or don't, but don't act like Bioware is breaking a promise that they never made.

...children.

I was reading your text and I could almost hear Jack saying those words in my mind!! ) You know, I understand that when you're a fan of something, a supporter, you get a sense of "ownership"... It's natural and it's a good thing that people defend what they love. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, as you say, when people transpose that sense of "ownership" to the idea of having a given right to some special "material" recognition... yep, maybe that's when fandom starts loosing focus...

[android654]

geekeffect wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know whats really sad? People who have done nothing and have an undeserved sense of accomplishment or entitlement. That's the real problem and its a societal problem. People reward mediocrity at all levels and then they feel like some kind of accomplishment has been made in their favor.

BW doesn't owe you anything. If you buy someone's debut album do you expect them to give you the next album because you've been a fan a deserve it? No. Should you get free tickets to see a movie of an actor you've followed for years because you "deserve" it? No. You people are so arrogant to think that anyone owes you anything while doing nothing to earn it. Get off your high horse and either play the game or don't, but don't act like Bioware is breaking a promise that they never made.

...children.

I was reading your text and I could almost hear Jack saying those words in my mind!! ) You know, I understand that when you're a fan of something, a supporter, you get a sense of "ownership"... It's natural and it's a good thing that people defend what they love. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, as you say, when people transpose that sense of "ownership" to the idea of having a given right to some special "material" recognition... yep, maybe that's when fandom starts loosing focus...

Why thank you. That earns you one gold star!

Exactly. Although you said it more politely.

There's nothing wrong with love and IP a lot, god knows I got off the handle if there's a poor adaptation of a book to film that I love. However, that doesn't mean there's a debt owed to me by David Ignatius for the Body Of Lies film. They owe me nothing, and few people fail to realise that that is the truth.

Not just for works of fiction but live all over, if you do something expecting someone to do something for you in return, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. If you buy a game expecting the devs to tailor the game perfectly to you then you shouldn't be playing their games, you should make your own.

[Knubbsal]

I got ME 1 and 2 two months ago and I'm a loyal fan.

[alliance4g63]

sackyhack wrote...

This is one of the worst threads I've ever seen in a long time. Bioware provided a product, and you compensated them for that product. Why do you need a pat on the head for a financial transaction. You didn't "make this possible" out of the goodness of your heart. It's not like a 3 year old drew a stick figures with crayons, called it Mass Effect and tried to sell it to you. You got a good game for your cash. The sense of entitlement here is disgusting.

Besides, when Bioware makes exclusive content for some arbitrary promotion, people complain. Now when they aren't for another arbitrary reason, you're still complaining.

Why do hotels give special perks for loyal customers?
Why do restuarants send you discount coupons for being loyal?
Why does any retailer reward loyalty? ITS BECAUSE WE ARE FREAKING LOYAL!

Look man Bioware/EA can take the stance of  "we got you, we don't owe you ****" if they want. But giving bonuses and little special "thank yous" keeps me buying their product. I love ME but guess what got me to even buy it in the first place? Because I love(d) Bioware. I bought Baldurs Gate because it got good reviews. I then saw Kotor was made by the same company and was blown away. So guess what... I gave Jade Empire a day one purchase just because it was Bioware. Same for Mass Effect. Even bought Dragon Age because it's Bioware. 

So look at all the little money I put in their pockets from my appreciation of the quality games. Unfortunately I am seeing that quality diminish and so will my loyalty. So giving those little ass kissing customer rewards may keep a loyal fan like me around because it shows they f'n care. If they want to be happy where they are and ride off in the sunset I can honesty say they have a ton to be proud of. But if they will continue making games and want to continue to be seen as a top developer... a little thank you can go a long way.. especially to fans that bought 3 consecutive games from your company..some including collector editions..

Modifié par alliance4g63, 25 janvier 2012 - 11:32 .

[anlk92]

The saddest thing about this thread is that ME3 is probably the most rewarding game out there for long time fans. I mean you get a whole lot of import bonuses like keeping your character level, powers and more importantly you get many different story content (whether small or big) that you can only get by playing the first two games.

Do we really need an additional gun or armor on top of all these things?

[Shinobu]

All Dead wrote...

Bioware won't have my loyalty until they solve some family issues for me.

But then they'll just take Jack's side and lose it again.

The reward for being a loyal fan? (Speculative -- I haven't read the spoilers.)

Shiala
Gianna
Kirrahe
Conrad
Rana (maybe?)
Rebecca's baby take 3 (maybe?)
Rachni queen
Turian Councilor payback airquotes (I hope)
Punching Al-Jilani *again* (it's traditional)
WREX!
Knowing who the Hell the ME2 squaddies are and actually caring about them
Continuing the Garrus romance -- oh yeah!

Getting some closure with Cerberus and TIM

Saving the effin' galaxy -- AGAIN.

Oh, and probably some creds, resources, Para/Rene points and "Loyal Fan" achievement stickers.

More might be nice, but that's quite a tidy pile right there.

Modifié par Shinobu, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:05 .

[Il Divo]

alliance4g63 wrote...

Why do hotels give special perks for loyal customers?
Why do restuarants send you discount coupons for being loyal?
Why does any retailer reward loyalty? ITS BECAUSE WE ARE FREAKING LOYAL!

Look man Bioware/EA can take the stance of  "we got you, we don't owe you ****" if they want. But giving bonuses and little special "thank yous" keeps me buying their product. I love ME but guess what got me to even buy it in the first place? Because I love(d) Bioware. I bought Baldurs Gate because it got good reviews. I then saw Kotor was made by the same company and was blown away. So guess what... I gave Jade Empire a day one purchase just because it was Bioware. Same for Mass Effect. Even bought Dragon Age because it's Bioware. 

Except your paragraph argues the exact opposite. You were not buying Bioware products because of freebies. You were doing it because Bioware has/had a reputation for quality reflected in review scores. By your comparisons, you would also buy Mass Effect 3 because it's Bioware, not because they decided to throw free items on top.  

I mean, as a general rule, how many companies actually give freebies for customers merely because they've bought old products? Not many examples come to mind.

Modifié par Il Divo, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[AlanC9]

alliance4g63 wrote...

Why do hotels give special perks for loyal customers?
Why do restuarants send you discount coupons for being loyal?
Why does any retailer reward loyalty? ITS BECAUSE WE ARE FREAKING LOYAL!

This is a truly terrible analogy. The kind of businesses that engage in that sort of loyalty program do it because they aren't selling anything distinctive. Airlines have loyalty programs because nobody gives a damn what airline he's flying on as long as he gets where he's going for a good price. Mid-range hotels and crappy restaurants have the same problem, since what they're selling is a commodity offered by plenty of competitors.

This is the opposite of the Mass Effect market. If you want Mass Effect, you've got to get it from Bioware. If you want something like Mass Effect, your options are....... what? Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Alpha Protocol? How many others? 


@ Terror_K; I agree with you about  tech skills. However, in practice I don't think limiting skills to particular classes ever ends up making very much difference in a party-based game; it restricts party makeup and to a lesser extent builds, but if a player does give in to those restrictions the game plays pretty much the same since your three-headed monster should have everything covered.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:34 .

[Dewart]

Shouldn't this topic be closed by now since:
A) The majority of it is a loyal fan debate and not really ME3 related.
It is useless complaining
C) The whole thing isn't really going anywhere

[alliance4g63]

Il Divo wrote...

Except your paragraph argues the exact opposite. You were not buying Bioware products because of freebies. You were doing it because Bioware has/had a reputation for quality reflected in review scores. By your comparisons, you would also buy Mass Effect 3 because it's Bioware, not because they decided to throw free items on top.  

I mean, as a general rule, how many companies actually give freebies for customers merely because they've bought old products? Not many examples come to mind.

But this is not the case of a new game or a new customer. I dont think it is too much to ask for Bioware to throw a little nod to us hardcore loyalists for purchasing 3 consecutive games. And some people like me have also purchased every piece of quality DLC that has been released. I have never supported a company this way and I do it because one, I love the game and universe they created. And second to help fund future products by showing my support with my wallet.

Companies easily get too big too fast and stop focusing on the hardcore. Hardcore fans offer consistent money, new fans can give you those quick Call of Duty spurts but where will you be after that? Look I can see where Bioware is heading and good for them for going after the money they deserve. To me there is a fine line between going for money you deserve and staying true to your content and fans. And then there is being greedy and sacrificing content and loyal fans for more money. Hollywood does it all the time when they make sequels that no one wanted when they could have just went out on top and left the content alone.

Maybe I am old school and just long for the days when companies made it seem the fans were everything to them. Instead we get this attitude of  "if you want the content you do what it takes to get it". So if that is the way Bioware is going, this could be my last Bioware game. I am a small fish so my money may not matter unless there are countless other small fish that feel the same as me.