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[CannonO]

KBomb wrote...

So what if they did make James Vega for that reason? Who cares. It isn’t going to change your gaming experience. Leave him behind if you don’t want to be around him. I like that he is different than the rest of the crew.


No doubt the asari race is fan service. It doesn’t bother me. Even though they are fan service, I think the game would be poorer without them in it. Diversity is good and should be embraced. Besides, I am a GoW fan, I am also a CoD fan and a ME fan--as are a lot of people here. If someone has never played ME because they were too busy playing GoW, I highly doubt they’d shell out $60 for a game they know nothing about just to play a beefcake. The whole theory is absurd.

Who cares are the people who appreciated the original Mass Effect vision and integrity deeply.

Modifié par CannonLars, 25 janvier 2012 - 05:04 .

[Izhalezan]

CannonLars wrote...


Who cares are the people who appreciated the original Mass Effect vision and integrity deeply.

You can't tell me that one person having above ME average muscle mass is destroying its vision and integrity.

[CannonO]

Izhalezan wrote...

CannonLars wrote...


Who cares are the people who appreciated the original Mass Effect vision and integrity deeply.

You can't tell me that one person having above ME average muscle mass is destroying its vision and integrity.

I didn't. I'm saying that is who cares about if this character was created for the purpose of appealing to Gears of War shooter customers.

I don't have a problem with Vega.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

jreezy wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

KBomb wrote...

So what if they did make James Vega for that reason? Who cares. It isn’t going to change your gaming experience. Leave him behind if you don’t want to be around him. I like that he is different than the rest of the crew.


No doubt the asari race is fan service. It doesn’t bother me. Even though they are fan service, I think the game would be poorer without them in it. Diversity is good and should be embraced. Besides, I am a GoW fan, I am also a CoD fan and a ME fan--as are a lot of people here. If someone has never played ME because they were too busy playing GoW, I highly doubt they’d shell out $60 for a game they know nothing about just to play a beefcake. The whole theory is absurd.

Who cares are the people who appreciated the original Mass Effect vision and integrity deeply.

James Vega ruins the "original vision and integrity" of Mass Effect? Silly BSN.

Exactly; the integrity of ME was ruined when they decided to bring back Tali and Garrus as squadmates again. Everyone knows that.

[Beliar86]

Chris Priestly wrote...

How about "Vega's character design to be a different look from the other members of the party, none of whom have the "large muscular human" look. Not having everyone look alike in ME3 is considered a good thing by most people."?

Not everything has to do with other video games. Sometimes, a character looks teh way he/she/it does because it makes sense to the character and teh story.

Sometimes it just makes sense to have a big manly ass kicker in a time when you need big manly ass kickers

[luzburg]

ist he suposed to be a caracter thats helps the new players to understand mass effect better

[BatmanPWNS]

I bet most people in BSN are just skinny twigs and they get all jelly when they see Vega and his muscles.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 25 janvier 2012 - 05:17 .

[MasterSamson88]

luzburg wrote...

ist he suposed to be a caracter thats helps the new players to understand mass effect better

That...  And I think he shows veteran players just how crazy this all can seem to someone who hasn't experienced this stuff before. We need to remember that only Shepard and a select few have actually experienced all this reaper stuff. To any normal person, like Vega, this is all pretty crazy.

Im looking forward to some of his reactions.

[Il Divo]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

luzburg wrote...

ist he suposed to be a caracter thats helps the new players to understand mass effect better

That...  And I think he shows veteran players just how crazy this all can seem to someone who hasn't experienced this stuff before. We need to remember that only Shepard and a select few have actually experienced all this reaper stuff. To any normal person, like Vega, this is all pretty crazy.

Im looking forward to some of his reactions.

That's one of the things I really like about him. In general, as the "hero" in most RPGs, I feel like we're compelled to forget how insane most of our activities are to the average person.

[KBomb]

CannonLars wrote...


Who cares are the people who appreciated the original Mass Effect vision and integrity deeply.

Meh, if people think that having someone with muscles ruins the vision and integrity of a video game--based on the fact that he has muscles and nothing else, considering we don’t know much about his character--then they have bigger problems than James Vega.

[CannonO]

KBomb wrote...

CannonLars wrote...


Who cares are the people who appreciated the original Mass Effect vision and integrity deeply.

Meh, if people think that having someone with muscles ruins the vision and integrity of a video game--based on the fact that he has muscles and nothing else, considering we don’t know much about his character--then they have bigger problems than James Vega.

That wasn't the point of what I said. The point is people are converned with the motives that brought him into the game, not the character himself. No reason to judge him on muscles alone.

I think Jorge from Halo: Reach is a good example of a big tank character that has a personality on par with the rest of the cast. Appearances definitely shouldn't be the final judgment.

[Il Divo]

CannonLars wrote...

That wasn't the point of what I said. The point is people are converned with the motives that brought him into the game, not the character himself. No reason to judge him on muscles alone.

I think Jorge from Halo: Reach is a good example of a big tank character that has a personality on par with the rest of the cast. Appearances definitely shouldn't be the final judgment.

By equating him to a Gears of War character, people are already judging the character. If muscles alone aren't enough to judge him, what's the point of the comparison? 

[KBomb]

CannonLars wrote...


That wasn't the point of what I said. The point is people are converned with the motives that brought him into the game, not the character himself. No reason to judge him on muscles alone.

I think Jorge from Halo: Reach is a good example of a big tank character that has a personality on par with the rest of the cast. Appearances definitely shouldn't be the final judgment.

Yeah, I gotcha. The motives being because they wanted to bring in the GoW crowd, and why would he bring in that crowd? Because he is big and muscular.
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I have to say the roid look he has going on is right out of GoW. Xbox is having some kinda sale for GoW and they have a pic of some GoW chatacter and every time i see it i kee thinking it is Vega.

There can be no other argument against his character, since we do not know what his character really is. We know he was brought in as a bridge to let new players know about the previous universe, of which I am glad. I would rather have a character who interacts with you, becomes a part of your team and adds game value, than to receive emails telling things we already know. I am sure new players would rather have that, as well. So, no matter the point, the motives for the GoW crowd has nothing to do with his character, but his appearance, which is why I stand by my statement.


His appearance nor the motives behind them takes nothing from the integrity or vision of the Mass Effect Universe.

[MasterSamson88]

Il Divo wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

That wasn't the point of what I said. The point is people are converned with the motives that brought him into the game, not the character himself. No reason to judge him on muscles alone.

I think Jorge from Halo: Reach is a good example of a big tank character that has a personality on par with the rest of the cast. Appearances definitely shouldn't be the final judgment.

By equating him to a Gears of War character, people are already judging the character. If muscles alone aren't enough to judge him, what's the point of the comparison? 

I agree... The only thing that seems to be being argued here is his general size, which isn't even that bad. He's a big guy certainly but not big enough to really be impossible, nor is he nearly as big as a Gears of War guy. I'll also add that probably one reason guys looked so big in gow was because of their big armor.

I think it's also kind of dumb to use gowas some kind of yardstick for badness.

[android654]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

I bet most people in BSN are just skinny twigs and they get all jelly when they see Vega and his muscles.

I was thinking they were in the opositte direction.

Its also hilarious how people who know nothing about body composition or bodybuilding are debating his size as being ridiculous or difficulty maintained. *sigh* Why can't people stick to topics they know?

[RDSFirebane]

I don't have a issue with Vega just wish we had some other humans of his size from time to time I mean hes like the size of a krogan where all the other male characters are just cut. just would a been nice to have a few big guys instead of the hey look its the only human that works out kinda ordeal.

[CannonO]

KBomb wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

/snip

Yeah, I gotcha. The motives being because they wanted to bring in the GoW crowd, and why would he bring in that crowd? Because he is big and muscular.
Quote from the OP:

I have to say the roid look he has going on is right out of GoW. Xbox is having some kinda sale for GoW and they have a pic of some GoW chatacter and every time i see it i kee thinking it is Vega.

There can be no other argument against his character, since we do not know what his character really is. We know he was brought in as a bridge to let new players know about the previous universe, of which I am glad. I would rather have a character who interacts with you, becomes a part of your team and adds game value, than to receive emails telling things we already know. I am sure new players would rather have that, as well. So, no matter the point, the motives for the GoW crowd has nothing to do with his character, but his appearance, which is why I stand by my statement.


His appearance nor the motives behind them takes nothing from the integrity or vision of the Mass Effect Universe.

I can't say I'd be thrilled if BioWare said that he is a filler character written for the purpose of having an easily identifiable meathead tank that resonates with shooter fans, such as those who purchase Gears of War.

I agree that there is nothing to argue against Vega yet, unless you honestly believe his size was chosen because of Gears of War fans' interest. I'm not sure if you think I am judging him that way or something, but I only intended to comment on this argument's idea.

Modifié par CannonLars, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:31 .

[Russalka]

Does this beat the level of animosity some female characters have received for looking "wrong"?

Anyway, I like Vega. I hope he is bisexual.

[KBomb]

CannonLars wrote...


I can't say I'd be thrilled if BioWare said that he is a filler character written for the purpose of having an easily identifiable meathead tank that resonates with shooter fans, such as those who purchase Gears of War.

I agree that there is nothing to argue against Vega yet, unless you honestly believe his size was chosen because of Gears of War fans' interest. I'm not sure if you think I am judging him that way or something, but I only intended to comment on this argument's idea.

Oh, I know you were just being the devil’s advocate.
　
I don’t think he will appeal to GoW fans enough for them to buy a $60 game. If so, then what is so bad? They either play it and hate it, or play it and fall in love with the ME series, which is a good thing.

And as far as him being a filler character--I don’t mind. He is better than emails. It isn’t like he is going to be completely useless either. He will have powers and abilities like every other character. He will be useful to someone, and for those who find him useless, you can dump him on the Normandy. Whenever I play an Adept, I never bring Liara or Jack. If I play a soldier, I never brought Ashley or Zaeed. Hate him because he is useless. Hate him because he is really a douche bag. To discredit him because of appearance alone, or the motives behind it is asinine.

[android654]

@ Russalka

What do you mean by "wrong?"

[Russalka]

Oh, you know. Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Aveline, Isabela (actually I think most of the female cast of all recent games has had this) causing people to post a few threads about picking them apart for their appearance and how they don't fit under someone's standards and how they should get fixed.

[android654]

Ah I've mostly seen that with Jack, Aveliene and Isabella. But I get your meaning they all have a reason for why the look the way they look, because their appearance is supposed to mirror who they are. This seems to be the case for Vega and it's a good thing.

[KBomb]

Ashley: Stripper/hooker
Miranda: Stripper/hooker
Isabela: Stripper/hooker
Jack: Tattoos and bald, also stripper
Aveline: Manly

Basically for the female cast, if you have boobs that go beyond a B-cup you equal stripper/hooker. If your hair is down and long, you equal to a stripper/hooker. If you show any amount of skin besides face and hands = stripper/hooker. Now, we can add that if you have large muscles, you’re automatically a Jersey Shore/GoW/dunderhead hybrid. Ah, BSN. It never disappoints.