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[Epic777]

While I hate to jump off topic... but what was the problem with Aveline? Was she not sexy enough?

[jcolt]

isn't expanding your fanbase a mark of good business, as long as he's a good character with some depth or at the least useful in combat i don't care if he makes BW a few extra sales.

[KBomb]

Epic777 wrote...

While I hate to jump off topic... but what was the problem with Aveline? Was she not sexy enough?

From some of the stuff I remember: She was too butch, wasn’t feminine enough, she was too manly, etc. Personally, I found her lovely.

[Nonoru]

I'm a long time RPG player and i played all Gears of War games.

I don't see why you couldn't enjoy both.
And as much as i like GoW, Vegas is(to me) still the least appealing squadmate in ME3 so far.

That kind of build isn't exclusive to Gears anyway.

[mrpoultry]

Rezources wrote...

I can only hope Vega's loyalty mission involves finding his wife.

Nah, It will be dealing with his phobia of rabbits. Paragon way is of course he is no longer scared by rabbits and lets go of his traumatic past with them.. Renegade way he swears his undieing hatred for rabbits and will start a holy crusade to rid the galaxy of rabbits after the reapers have been stopped.

Modifié par mrpoultry, 25 janvier 2012 - 08:17 .

[Unbannable]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Unbannable wrote...
There is nothing about Vega's build that suggests he's on roids, or even excessively muscular.  A man can attain that level of muscularity naturally without much difficulty.

Not so sure about that.

There's a very fine limit to a human body, and 99,9% of body-builders use supplements, pills or roids.

First off, there is nothing wrong with taking supplements.  Two main staples of weight lifting ie whey protein, creatine for instance are both completely natural and very beneficial to the human body, even if you don't work out.

Secondly, I know for a fact that what I said was true, because I'm one of those men.  As soon as I hit puberty, I already had a six pack.  I've been muscular for as long as I can remember, so it doesn't take much for me to get ripped as I'm a natural.

Vega looks like he could be the same way to me....naturally muscular, but still works out. 

[jcolt]

mrpoultry wrote...

Rezources wrote...

I can only hope Vega's loyalty mission involves finding his wife.

Nah, It will be dealing with his phobia of rabbits. Paragon way is of course he is no longer scared by rabbits and lets go of his traumatic past with them.. Renegade way he swears his undieing hatred for rabbits and will start a holy crusade to rid the galaxy of rabbits after the reapers have been stopped.

mmmm rabbit you can have rabbit stew, fried rabbit, smoked rabbit, rabbit and dumplins the normandy will be eatin good.

[Unbannable]

syllogi wrote...

Yeah, I only have known a few people into bodybuilding in my life, and they were all extremely dedicated, had diets that they followed slavishly (even when they were bulking, that was part of the diet and whether they felt like it or not, they stuck to it), and it became both a hobby and a lifestyle.  Saying most men can have a physique like Vega is dismissing the combination of hard work and luck of genetics that it actually comes down to.  

First off, Vega isn't a bodybuilder judging by his build.  Bodybuilders, partcularly the successful ones, have extremely high levels of muscularity, often to the point that it appears UNNATURAL, because such a high degree of muscularity cannot be attained without the use of synthetic testosterone.

Vega is a muscular guy, but as I mentioned before, he is much more athletic in appearance and build.  He's naturally muscular, and chooses to weight lift to enhance his natural strength.

Secondly, I never said "most men" can have a build like Vega, so get your spectacles on.

[android654]

Unbannable wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Yeah, I only have known a few people into bodybuilding in my life, and they were all extremely dedicated, had diets that they followed slavishly (even when they were bulking, that was part of the diet and whether they felt like it or not, they stuck to it), and it became both a hobby and a lifestyle.  Saying most men can have a physique like Vega is dismissing the combination of hard work and luck of genetics that it actually comes down to.  

First off, Vega isn't a bodybuilder judging by his build.  Bodybuilders, partcularly the successful ones, have extremely high levels of muscularity, often to the point that it appears UNNATURAL, because such a high degree of muscularity cannot be attained without the use of synthetic testosterone.

Vega is a muscular guy, but as I mentioned before, he is much more athletic in appearance and build.  He's naturally muscular, and chooses to weight lift to enhance his natural strength.

Secondly, I never said "most men" can have a build like Vega, so get your spectacles on.

Wrong. Body builders aren't judged on Mass, but on composition and proportion. There are male bodybuilders that weigh 150lbs to 400lbs. I don't know what his definition is like but his size is not unseen among body builders. Also any pro or semi-pro body builder has to be "athletic" (meaning built for running and endurance exercise) in order to train their cardiovascular system in order to keep their metabolism regulated so they can respond properly to muscle gain and fat loss.

Also most men can achieve mass like Vega depending on their starting point. If you're thin or of average build, in time its possible to gain 60lbs of lean muscle mass in years. If you're over weight, you'd have to drop the high body fat and gain the muscle afterwords, or cycle between the two.

[The Entire Armed Forces of Canada]

GoW or no GoW, who the hell hires Freddie Prince Jr, aka the guy who starred in live-action Scooby Doo, to voice a meathead? Also, who gives a rats ass whether or not he's heterosexual, bisexual, trisexual, ambisexual, transsexual, or whatever. He isn't real. He's a pixellated construct designed for a video game. Sheesh just enjoy the redeeming qualities of this game for what they are: dialogue and the Prothean squadmate.

[syllogi]

Unbannable wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Yeah, I only have known a few people into bodybuilding in my life, and they were all extremely dedicated, had diets that they followed slavishly (even when they were bulking, that was part of the diet and whether they felt like it or not, they stuck to it), and it became both a hobby and a lifestyle.  Saying most men can have a physique like Vega is dismissing the combination of hard work and luck of genetics that it actually comes down to.  

First off, Vega isn't a bodybuilder judging by his build.  Bodybuilders, partcularly the successful ones, have extremely high levels of muscularity, often to the point that it appears UNNATURAL, because such a high degree of muscularity cannot be attained without the use of synthetic testosterone.

Vega is a muscular guy, but as I mentioned before, he is much more athletic in appearance and build.  He's naturally muscular, and chooses to weight lift to enhance his natural strength.

Secondly, I never said "most men" can have a build like Vega, so get your spectacles on.

Your quote was:

A man can attain that level of muscularity naturally without much difficulty.

So, yes, you did imply that "most" men can build that level of muscle mass easily. Learn to choose your words more carefully before getting testy over how they're interpreted.

And it's rather ridiculous to claim that Vega looks naturally muscular. I live in a large city, and see all kinds of people walking around...someone with Vega's build would stand out, because the average person doesn't look like him.

Anyway, you're way too snappish and kind of ridiculous, so I'll leave you to barking at others while obliquely bragging about your body. Cheers.

[Stardusk78]

Unbannable wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Unbannable wrote...
There is nothing about Vega's build that suggests he's on roids, or even excessively muscular.  A man can attain that level of muscularity naturally without much difficulty.

Not so sure about that.

There's a very fine limit to a human body, and 99,9% of body-builders use supplements, pills or roids.

First off, there is nothing wrong with taking supplements.  Two main staples of weight lifting ie whey protein, creatine for instance are both completely natural and very beneficial to the human body, even if you don't work out.

Secondly, I know for a fact that what I said was true, because I'm one of those men.  As soon as I hit puberty, I already had a six pack.  I've been muscular for as long as I can remember, so it doesn't take much for me to get ripped as I'm a natural.

Vega looks like he could be the same way to me....naturally muscular, but still works out. 

Genetics are everything. You obviously have good bbing genetics. I have to work my ass off to get lean and put on mass and will never look like Vega. Tons on normal genetic guys would need to juice to look like Vega, at that level of mass and leanness, so it's not that any man can look like that without difficulty, very few can.

[someguy1231]

Can we please stop this whole discussion about whether Vega's appearance is "natural" or not? Don't let this thread go off-topic. Besides, for a game that features biotics and many other unnatural enhancements, I'd think ME fans wouldn't care about something like that.

[Unbannable]

android654 wrote...

Wrong. Body builders aren't judged on Mass, but on composition and proportion.

You're just being overly semantic.  I said "build," not mass.
 

There are male bodybuilders that weigh 150lbs to 400lbs. I don't know what his definition is like but his size is not unseen among body builders.

I know there are natural bodybuilders, and different weight classes.  I was specifically referring to the type of bodybuilder most people would associate with the term itself, ie guys like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler.
 

Also any pro or semi-pro body builder has to be "athletic" (meaning built for running and endurance exercise) in order to train their cardiovascular system in order to keep their metabolism regulated so they can respond properly to muscle gain and fat loss.

Oh yeah, Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler are really athletic.  Give me a break..  Once again, I'm referring to the extreme examples.

Men like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler have so much muscle mass, that their lung capacity and circulatory system (via red blood cells) cannot fuel their muscles efficiently with enough blood and oxygen, so they tire easily with any sort of sustained muscular exertion.  This is a genetic limitation that cannot be bypassed.

Also most men can achieve mass like Vega depending on their starting point. If you're thin or of average build, in time its possible to gain 60lbs of lean muscle mass in years. If you're over weight, you'd have to drop the high body fat and gain the muscle afterwords, or cycle between the two.

I never said anything pertaining to whether most men could, or couldn't achieve a build like Vega.  My original statement referred to the difficulty involved in the process.  A guy that is naturally already muscular will have a much easier time adding bulk, than someone who isn't.

Modifié par Unbannable, 25 janvier 2012 - 09:17 .

[Stardusk78]

android654 wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Yeah, I only have known a few people into bodybuilding in my life, and they were all extremely dedicated, had diets that they followed slavishly (even when they were bulking, that was part of the diet and whether they felt like it or not, they stuck to it), and it became both a hobby and a lifestyle.  Saying most men can have a physique like Vega is dismissing the combination of hard work and luck of genetics that it actually comes down to.  

First off, Vega isn't a bodybuilder judging by his build.  Bodybuilders, partcularly the successful ones, have extremely high levels of muscularity, often to the point that it appears UNNATURAL, because such a high degree of muscularity cannot be attained without the use of synthetic testosterone.

Vega is a muscular guy, but as I mentioned before, he is much more athletic in appearance and build.  He's naturally muscular, and chooses to weight lift to enhance his natural strength.

Secondly, I never said "most men" can have a build like Vega, so get your spectacles on.

Wrong. Body builders aren't judged on Mass, but on composition and proportion. There are male bodybuilders that weigh 150lbs to 400lbs. I don't know what his definition is like but his size is not unseen among body builders. Also any pro or semi-pro body builder has to be "athletic" (meaning built for running and endurance exercise) in order to train their cardiovascular system in order to keep their metabolism regulated so they can respond properly to muscle gain and fat loss.

Also most men can achieve mass like Vega depending on their starting point. If you're thin or of average build, in time its possible to gain 60lbs of lean muscle mass in years. If you're over weight, you'd have to drop the high body fat and gain the muscle afterwords, or cycle between the two.

60lbs of muscle mass, lol. How funny. The average male can put on about 30lbs of muscle mass in the first 3-5 years if he is LUCKY, 60lbs...very, very few can do that naturally. Most men cannot achieve Vega's mass without the requisite genetics and pro bodybuilding has nothing to do with being athletic and everything to do with drugs,

[Unbannable]

syllogi wrote...

So, yes, you did imply that "most" men can build that level of muscle mass easily. Learn to choose your words more carefully before getting testy over how they're interpreted.

How does "a man" translate to "most men?"

Nevermind, don't answer that.

And it's rather ridiculous to claim that Vega looks naturally muscular. I live in a large city, and see all kinds of people walking around...someone with Vega's build would stand out, because the average person doesn't look like him.

I said he looked naturally muscular, meaning that he didn't look as though he had been on steroids.  Also, I said that he definitely looks like he weight lifts, as that would increase his natural bulk and strength.

And of course Vega isn't average.  No one was claiming that he was.  Men like him aren't rare, but they're not common either.

Anyway, you're way too snappish and kind of ridiculous, so I'll leave you to barking at others while obliquely bragging about your body. Cheers.

Well perhaps I was too snappish, sorry for that.  But it just annoys me when people completely misrepresent my statements, and even worse, put words in my mouth that I never spoke.

[Nashiktal]

Epic777 wrote...

While I hate to jump off topic... but what was the problem with Aveline? Was she not sexy enough?

Aveline was my absolute favorite companion in DA2, in both looks and interaction. She isn't romanceable, (you can try but she shoots you down) finds love on her own (with a little help but still she has the initiative), can beat the crap out of hawke with her bare hands, and to tie it all together she is very lovely on her own.

I disagree with those who think she is too ugly.

[KBomb]

The Entire Armed Forces of Canada wrote...

GoW or no GoW, who the hell hires Freddie Prince Jr, aka the guy who starred in live-action Scooby Doo, to voice a meathead? Also, who gives a rats ass whether or not he's heterosexual, bisexual, trisexual, ambisexual, transsexual, or whatever. He isn't real. He's a pixellated construct designed for a video game. Sheesh just enjoy the redeeming qualities of this game for what they are: dialogue and the Prothean squadmate.

To be fair, Kimberley Brooks isn’t who I’d imagine as Ashley, but I can’t imagine her being voiced by anyone else. She does an excellent job and I think Freddie Prince Jr. does too, well from what I have seen. And have you seen the guy who does Sten from DA:O? Not who I would expect, but he works.
I hope they are telling the truth about culling the Prothean squadmate. Ugh.

[android654]

Stardusk78 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Yeah, I only have known a few people into bodybuilding in my life, and they were all extremely dedicated, had diets that they followed slavishly (even when they were bulking, that was part of the diet and whether they felt like it or not, they stuck to it), and it became both a hobby and a lifestyle.  Saying most men can have a physique like Vega is dismissing the combination of hard work and luck of genetics that it actually comes down to.  

First off, Vega isn't a bodybuilder judging by his build.  Bodybuilders, partcularly the successful ones, have extremely high levels of muscularity, often to the point that it appears UNNATURAL, because such a high degree of muscularity cannot be attained without the use of synthetic testosterone.

Vega is a muscular guy, but as I mentioned before, he is much more athletic in appearance and build.  He's naturally muscular, and chooses to weight lift to enhance his natural strength.

Secondly, I never said "most men" can have a build like Vega, so get your spectacles on.

Wrong. Body builders aren't judged on Mass, but on composition and proportion. There are male bodybuilders that weigh 150lbs to 400lbs. I don't know what his definition is like but his size is not unseen among body builders. Also any pro or semi-pro body builder has to be "athletic" (meaning built for running and endurance exercise) in order to train their cardiovascular system in order to keep their metabolism regulated so they can respond properly to muscle gain and fat loss.

Also most men can achieve mass like Vega depending on their starting point. If you're thin or of average build, in time its possible to gain 60lbs of lean muscle mass in years. If you're over weight, you'd have to drop the high body fat and gain the muscle afterwords, or cycle between the two.

60lbs of muscle mass, lol. How funny. The average male can put on about 30lbs of muscle mass in the first 3-5 years if he is LUCKY, 60lbs...very, very few can do that naturally. Most men cannot achieve Vega's mass without the requisite genetics and pro bodybuilding has nothing to do with being athletic and everything to do with drugs,

Thats why I said years. The average male can gain 10-12 lbs. of lean muscle mass in 12 months with the proper carb cycling diet and exercise split. I said that. The whole point of taking up a sport and taking it up seriously is because its a part of you. If you're lifting to look pretty, or get big you probably wont stick with it for long. If you love the sport and get a genuine thrill from it, you could stick with it for decades and that's where you get people who look like Dwayne Johnson and Terry Crews, both profession football players who could not be on roids because they get drug tested on and off seasons. So the average guy that works out three days a week will never get there because he lacks the dedication not because he lacks the genetic make-up.

But someone who's dedicated, has a six day split, eats accordingly (to gain would have to start north of 2400 and build up over time for gaining) can get significant change despite their genetics (as long as there isn't any malformations in their dna) would have no problem going form 160 to 215 in 5 years and be lean.

If you think professional body builders are on roids, you're wrong. Professional body builders get drug tested a lot and roids aren't as effective as most people think. They probably take things that are seemingly odd (deer horn spray, shark cartilage) but there's a list of supplements they can not take if they wish to competet.

[mrpoultry]

jcolt wrote...

mrpoultry wrote...

Rezources wrote...

I can only hope Vega's loyalty mission involves finding his wife.

Nah, It will be dealing with his phobia of rabbits. Paragon way is of course he is no longer scared by rabbits and lets go of his traumatic past with them.. Renegade way he swears his undieing hatred for rabbits and will start a holy crusade to rid the galaxy of rabbits after the reapers have been stopped.

mmmm rabbit you can have rabbit stew, fried rabbit, smoked rabbit, rabbit and dumplins the normandy will be eatin good.

Indeed but oddly he is not affected by hares.

[SlottsMachine]

 Know what this thread needs? 

I'm sorry. But I've got this stuck in my head now after reading some posts on this page, just spreading the pain around.

[pmac_tk421]

Chris, please lock this thread. It's already out of control.

[CannonO]

This a body building one-up-each-other contest now. Let's have the thread with the note that we shouldn't judge Vega by his cover.

KBomb wrote...

The Entire Armed Forces of Canada wrote...

GoW or no GoW, who the hell hires Freddie Prince Jr, aka the guy who starred in live-action Scooby Doo, to voice a meathead? Also, who gives a rats ass whether or not he's heterosexual, bisexual, trisexual, ambisexual, transsexual, or whatever. He isn't real. He's a pixellated construct designed for a video game. Sheesh just enjoy the redeeming qualities of this game for what they are: dialogue and the Prothean squadmate.

To be fair, Kimberley Brooks isn’t who I’d imagine as Ashley, but I can’t imagine her being voiced by anyone else. She does an excellent job and I think Freddie Prince Jr. does too, well from what I have seen. And have you seen the guy who does Sten from DA:O? Not who I would expect, but he works.
I hope they are telling the truth about culling the Prothean squadmate. Ugh.

Same with Kevin Conroy who voices Batman in the Arkham games. Totally not the guy to play him in live action, but the voice works.

Modifié par CannonLars, 25 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[android654]

CannonLars wrote...

This a body building one-up-each-other contest now. Let's have the thread with the note that we shouldn't judge Vega by his cover.

KBomb wrote...

The Entire Armed Forces of Canada wrote...

GoW or no GoW, who the hell hires Freddie Prince Jr, aka the guy who starred in live-action Scooby Doo, to voice a meathead? Also, who gives a rats ass whether or not he's heterosexual, bisexual, trisexual, ambisexual, transsexual, or whatever. He isn't real. He's a pixellated construct designed for a video game. Sheesh just enjoy the redeeming qualities of this game for what they are: dialogue and the Prothean squadmate.

To be fair, Kimberley Brooks isn’t who I’d imagine as Ashley, but I can’t imagine her being voiced by anyone else. She does an excellent job and I think Freddie Prince Jr. does too, well from what I have seen. And have you seen the guy who does Sten from DA:O? Not who I would expect, but he works.
I hope they are telling the truth about culling the Prothean squadmate. Ugh.

Same with Kevin Conroy who voices Batman in the Arkham games. Totally not the guy to play him in live action, but the voice works.

Speaking of which, did anyone hear NPH voicing Spiderman? I thought he was perfect for that

[JoePilot]

thatguy212 wrote...

Hamziz Vakarian wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

How about "Vega's character design to be a different look from the other members of the party, none of whom have the "large muscular human" look. Not having everyone look alike in ME3 is considered a good thing by most people."?

Not everything has to do with other video games. Sometimes, a character looks teh way he/she/it does because it makes sense to the character and teh story.

Man, they've got you by the balls, don't they?  You probably don't even realize how full of marketing B.S. you sound anymore.  OF COURSE vega's designed to appeal to the mouth-breathing masses that BiowEAre is so desperate to sell zomg 10 million copies to.  Just like Miranda's catsuit, Ashley's ****-over and AEWSOME BUTTON!!1!1

Here's an idea for diversity:  How about they model the next character after you, Chris, and he can be a 400 lb. sphere that sits at his desk kissing corporate ass and spouting meaningless talking points all day.  Deal?

Spike, indeed.

Modifié par JoePilot, 25 janvier 2012 - 11:06 .