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[MattTheGreat88]

According to the article below, it is not confirmed. I've read that she will be in the game, but not playable. Is this true?

http://www.lo-ping.o...uadmate-reveal/

[AgitatedLemon]

She is present in the game, but not as a squadmate. She has her own set of missions in the game though, as do a number of ME2 characters.

[MACharlie1]

MattTheGreat88 wrote...

According to the article below, it is not confirmed. I've read that she will be in the game, but not playable. Is this true?

http://www.lo-ping.o...uadmate-reveal/

Wow. That article is old.

But the article is mostly speculation and from the information we've gotten since then - most likely no. 

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

She may not be a permanent squadmate, but she'll have a decent amount of content; it won't be like Wrex in ME2, don't you worry.

[kainee]

It won't be enough amount of content for me if she's not a squadmate.

[MordinKrios]

Sadly she is not. Hopefully there is a Lotsb style side mission though. One hopes.

[MattTheGreat88]

I wonder why they wouldn't have made her a squadmate as she was likely a lot of players main love interest. Hopefully there will still be a romance option whether she is a squadmate or not.

[AgitatedLemon]

MattTheGreat88 wrote...

I wonder why they wouldn't have made her a squadmate as she was likely a lot of players main love interest. Hopefully there will still be a romance option whether she is a squadmate or not.

Don't worry, the romance is continuable if you started it in ME2. 

Judging by the leaked material, it's shaping up fairly well, certainly better than it was in ME2.

I do have to question BioWare's logic concerning her not being a squadmate (Or at least just having a more consistent presence). I know she can die, but so can Tali and Garrus, and they have squad status. Besides, Miranda is one of the most important squadmates, concerning the overarching plot.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:41 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

MattTheGreat88 wrote...

I wonder why they wouldn't have made her a squadmate as she was likely a lot of players main love interest.

Given that there were 9 LIs, and they were going for a smaller squad, they couldn't afford to have all of the LIs on the squad. They had to go with the ones they felt fit the story best.

Hopefully there will still be a romance option whether she is a squadmate or not.

Of course there will.

[kainee]

MattTheGreat88 wrote...

I wonder why they wouldn't have made her a squadmate as she was likely a lot of players main love interest. Hopefully there will still be a romance option whether she is a squadmate or not.

Character popularity contest on the BSN.
<_< You can guess who took her spot in the team.

[MACharlie1]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I do have to question BioWare's logic concerning her not being a squadmate (Or at least just having a more consistent presence). I know she can die, but so can Tali and Garrus, and they have squad status. Besides, Miranda is one of the most important squadmates, concerning the overarching plot.

I'd say her importance to the plot is a key factor in her not being a squadmate. Like Mordin, she's got things to do that can't be done on the Normandy. I gladly sacrifice any squadmember if they are doing something else. I would be able to see Grunt more likely as a squadmate then Miranda.  

Which is why I have a little beef with Liara being on the squad for an extended period of time. Garrus and Tali - I can understand - Garrus is a vigilante who really isn't doing anything else and Tali's importance to the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't because of he - it's just the way the plot rolled in ME2 in which case you can get her exiled. 

[AgitatedLemon]

MACharlie1 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I do have to question BioWare's logic concerning her not being a squadmate (Or at least just having a more consistent presence). I know she can die, but so can Tali and Garrus, and they have squad status. Besides, Miranda is one of the most important squadmates, concerning the overarching plot.

I'd say her importance to the plot is a key factor in her not being a squadmate. Like Mordin, she's got things to do that can't be done on the Normandy. I gladly sacrifice any squadmember if they are doing something else. I would be able to see Grunt more likely as a squadmate then Miranda.  

Which is why I have a little beef with Liara being on the squad for an extended period of time. Garrus and Tali - I can understand - Garrus is a vigilante who really isn't doing anything else and Tali's importance to the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't because of he - it's just the way the plot rolled in ME2 in which case you can get her exiled. 

It just makes more sense (To me) for her to be on the Normandy. Regarding her story arc in ME3, it seems like she could accomplish just so much more with Shepard's resources.

[Stalker]

MACharlie1 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I do have to question BioWare's logic concerning her not being a squadmate (Or at least just having a more consistent presence). I know she can die, but so can Tali and Garrus, and they have squad status. Besides, Miranda is one of the most important squadmates, concerning the overarching plot.

I'd say her importance to the plot is a key factor in her not being a squadmate. Like Mordin, she's got things to do that can't be done on the Normandy. I gladly sacrifice any squadmember if they are doing something else. I would be able to see Grunt more likely as a squadmate then Miranda.  

Which is why I have a little beef with Liara being on the squad for an extended period of time. Garrus and Tali - I can understand - Garrus is a vigilante who really isn't doing anything else and Tali's importance to the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't because of he - it's just the way the plot rolled in ME2 in which case you can get her exiled. 

Interesting thought... What is Liara doing in the squad? Miranda on Shepard's side to take down Cerberus would be much more reasonable than the (possible) Shadow Broker herself. That however, leads me to the wild idea that Feron could become the new new Shadow Broker... Who else i supposed to manage the place as the biggest informant across the galaxy?

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:56 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Mr Massakka wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I do have to question BioWare's logic concerning her not being a squadmate (Or at least just having a more consistent presence). I know she can die, but so can Tali and Garrus, and they have squad status. Besides, Miranda is one of the most important squadmates, concerning the overarching plot.

I'd say her importance to the plot is a key factor in her not being a squadmate. Like Mordin, she's got things to do that can't be done on the Normandy. I gladly sacrifice any squadmember if they are doing something else. I would be able to see Grunt more likely as a squadmate then Miranda.  

Which is why I have a little beef with Liara being on the squad for an extended period of time. Garrus and Tali - I can understand - Garrus is a vigilante who really isn't doing anything else and Tali's importance to the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't because of he - it's just the way the plot rolled in ME2 in which case you can get her exiled. 

Interesting thought... What is Liara doing in the squad? Miranda on Shepard's side to take down Cerberus would be much more reasonable than the (possible) Shadow Broker herself. That however, leads me to the wild idea that Feron could become the new new Shadow Broker...

I thought she was railroad retcon'd into becoming the Shadow Broker.

[Ieldra]

I think not having Miranda on the team opens a great potential to write a story arc running offscreen parallel to Shepard's for her, with a few intersections where you can interact. If there is such a thing, I may come to prefer Miranda not being on the team. On the Normandy, she'll never be more than Shepard's follower. I want her to be more.

Given the evidence of the leaked script, that potential has, however, not been used remotely as fully as would be necessary to make her story great. Which is cause for a great deal of trepidation about what the final version of the game will bring for her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:21 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Regardless, I'll try to be happy for her in ME3. Even if her arc in it isn't up to my expectations, that isn't enough for me to drop her as my favorite character.

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Regardless, I'll try to be happy for her in ME3. Even if her arc in it isn't up to my expectations, that isn't enough for me to drop her as my favorite character.

Of course not. At the very least, her long absence leaves a lot of empty space to fill with headcanon.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Regardless, I'll try to be happy for her in ME3. Even if her arc in it isn't up to my expectations, that isn't enough for me to drop her as my favorite character.

Of course not. At the very least, her long absence leaves a lot of empty space to fill with headcanon.

As I tend to say, head canons are often the best kind, because they fit perfectly to what you expect out of them.

[kainee]

A squadmate is not only someone who follows Shepard on mission, it's also a character who can give opinions and talk about the things happening during the game, who can influence Shepard's decision, and interact with NPC or other squadmates. A character in Shepard's team is also a character who can influence the main plot of the story at any time.

Miranda (and other ME2 characters) could have an important role and also be a squadmate for a certain period. A smaller team in ME3 is a dumb decision, they should have kept a limited amount of squadmates to improve the interractions while allowing a rotation of squadmates.

This is the last time we will see these characters,  they ALL should have a fair amount of screen time. The epilogue could have provided important roles and destinies expected for some characters. 

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

A squadmate is not only someone who follows Shepard on mission, it's also a character who can give opinions and talk about the things happening during the game, who can influence Shepard's decision, and interact with NPC or other squadmates. A character in Shepard's team is also a character who can influence the main plot of the story at any time.

Miranda (and other ME2 characters) could have an important role and also be a squadmate for a certain period. A smaller team in ME3 is a dumb decision, they should have kept a limited amount of squadmates to improve the interractions while allowing a rotation of squadmates.

This is the last time we will see these characters,  they ALL should have a fair amount of screen time. The epilogue could have provided important roles and destinies expected for some characters. 

I actually don't mind the smaller number of squadmates. 6 by default (Assuming Garrus and Tali are alive), and 2 secrets, and 1 DLC, if my numbers are correct. My bug with it is the odd character choice.

Liara? I love having her back on my squad, but wouldn't she be more useful doing her job as the Shadow Broker? 

*Spoiler character 1 makes absolutely NO sense.

Why Garrus and Tali? Not only does that break the rule on why there are no ME2 people, but what are their contributions to the story, past ME1? Not to say I don't like them, but what's the point? I would much prefer Legion and Miranda.

[kainee]

Legion, Miranda and even Thane or Mordin would be a better choice for the team in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

Legion, Miranda and even Thane or Mordin would be a better choice for the team in ME3.

Can't say I agree with Thane. If I may be completely honest, he isn't super important. And, given Mordin's material in ME3, I would say he's better off as he is, as much as I don't like it.

Legion and Miranda, if they weren't already solidified as side characters the way they are now, would have made much more sense to join the squad, at least after you finish up their set of missions.

[wright1978]

I would have loved her to be a squaddie obviously but that ship seems to have sailed. She could still have a satisfying role outside of that but as of the leak the content was somewhat disappointing. I'm still hoping that's because a chunk of it was missing from that unfinished script and that they have not just excluded her from the major arc she should involved in.

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

I would have loved her to be a squaddie obviously but that ship seems to have sailed. She could still have a satisfying role outside of that but as of the leak the content was somewhat disappointing. I'm still hoping that's because a chunk of it was missing from that unfinished script and that they have not just excluded her from the major arc she should involved in.

I'm willing to bet money that it's just because they didn't write the ending at the time.

[AdmiralCheez]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

Legion, Miranda and even Thane or Mordin would be a better choice for the team in ME3.

Can't say I agree with Thane. If I may be completely honest, he isn't super important. And, given Mordin's material in ME3, I would say he's better off as he is, as much as I don't like it.

Legion and Miranda, if they weren't already solidified as side characters the way they are now, would have made much more sense to join the squad, at least after you finish up their set of missions.

I agree.  I mean, I'm a fan of both Tali and Garrus, and I fully expected this sort of thing to happen, but seriously come on.  At least Legion, since he had so little screen time.  At least.

Especially since one of the new squadmates is... yeesh.  Bioware, this is exactly the opposite of what most people wanted.  I mean, I probably won't care (and even come to like it--gasp!) if it's done really well, but for the time being, whyyyyy? *whine*