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[RocketManSR2]

The poll surprised me. It's almost evenly split.

[hawkens982]

CannonLars wrote...

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I bought it when it was released. I have gotten all the packaged content released without a single charge since. The pass costs 2400 points, which is $30. That is what I paid on day one. I don't even understand what you think the GoW 3 season pass granted. Why would you get free DLC? It is supposed to have you pay for all DLC prior to their releases for a discounted price, not receive free DLC.

I got exactly what it said I would get, all the DLCs released following the Season Pass for a total cost lower than buying them separately.

EDIT: it says right in the title of that article what I said. $30 pass, reduced price DLC.

What the heck do you think I am saying? Reduced price and discounted price are the same thing.

Bro, did you read what you wrote yourself? Why you trying to troll me when I quoted your post?

Here, let me highlight what you wrote so your fail troll attempt is clarified.

You wrote "...that paid for all DLC with no further charges when they came out..." and yet in this last post you said " it says right in the title of that article what I said. $30 pass, reduced price DLC."
Your implying that once you get the Season Pass, the 4 future DLCs would 'be of no further charge", AKA FREE.
Obvious troll is obvious....son, I am disapoint.

Back on topic, what I mentioned was if Bioware was going to do a Season Pass, I hope they don't pull the con that Epic did with Gow3.

Someone likes to misuse the word troll.

$30 pass, reduced price DLC. That was a shortened headline version of what I explained already. I bolded the simple and true part since you seem to be getting confused.

Step 1: Pay $30 for Season Pass to cover the costs of DLCs. (FYI: $30 is cheaper than getting all the DLC separately, meaning the DLC you are buying in the Season Pass is of reduced pricing)
Step 2: Download DLCs with no money exchanges occuring.

Got it? Pay $30, acquire all DLC. Total cost: reduced. Number of FREE DLCs? Zero.

Sorry if it was my unclear wording that confused you, but now I think I have been clear. Your first post about the Gears 3 Season Pass was false.

I was under the impression that you had to pay for the season pass and then pay for the dlc at a discount. Guess I read the description wrong.

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

Because I'll definitely be owning all of the story content, I would do this even if it's a small discount.

[Shades2585]

Sounds like an interesting concept. I haven't seen enough to make it worth $30 but maybe $20. They should also sell the DLC's separately as well. As for the exclusive vendor content I think they should all be released after a certain time frame, I don't mind waiting a month or two.

The big question would be the difference between the standard and CE versions then. Maybe if the CE owners received a discount on future DLC or season's pass purchases. That would be have to be thought through a little more.
I vote yes for all DLC's to be purchasable both separately and a package deals.

[daftPirate]

I strongly approve of this idea, an announcement of something like this would satisfy so many people. As long as the DLC is up to snuff, I have no problem with that $30 payment. CE owners could maybe get the pass with their preorder, or as Shades said, a discounted price. I hope BioWare and EA take this into careful consideration.

[StephanieBengal]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

The poll surprised me. It's almost evenly split.

Not a surprise to me, I figured it would be. 

[Ramus Quaritch]

YES

[hidden185]

Despite my below reservations,  I am very interested in seeing Bioware do this as it would attract some new and more loyal constumer's from the current constumer base as well as a few new constumers

What problems do you see this posing for Bioware?
Aside from the forementioned potential contractual difficulties, Bioware would be under obligation to produce enough DLC to make gamers feel as though the money was well spent or else risk losing future Season Pass subscribers for subsequent games. It also creates some degree of difficulty in differentiating the standard edition from the Collector's Edition.

My only reservation is that it could be a detturrent to new low-income to no-income costumers to shop at Bioware or buy Bioware products on Origin because they have a monthly subscription.  This low-income bracket of possibly unemployed or entry-level job young adults expanded greatly during the 2008 recession and has only recently shown signs that it might stop growing.  (ie. this includes Japans NEETs, for example)

Thus my suggestions it a partial discount and partial free content service with only the most costly DLC's at 50% - 90% discounts and the rest content free and regularly updated as long as you have a subscription.  

In fact, both Publix and Kroger have been trying to catch up to Walmart in terms of this type of frequent shopper membership.
Its how they attract new residents who may not know about shopping stores while at the same time ensuring the growth of loyality of their consumer base.

Modifié par hidden185, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:15 .

[Arbiter156]

hidden185 wrote...

Despite my below reservations,  I am very interested in seeing Bioware do this as it would attract some new and more loyal constumer's from the current constumer base as well as a few new constumers

What problems do you see this posing for Bioware?
Aside from the forementioned potential contractual difficulties, Bioware would be under obligation to produce enough DLC to make gamers feel as though the money was well spent or else risk losing future Season Pass subscribers for subsequent games. It also creates some degree of difficulty in differentiating the standard edition from the Collector's Edition.

My only reservation is that it could be a detturrent to new low-income to no-income costumers to shop at Bioware or buy Bioware products on Origin because they have a monthly subscription.  This low-income bracket of possibly unemployed or entry-level job young adults expanded greatly during the 2008 recession and has only recently shown signs that it might stop growing.  (ie. this includes Japans NEETs, for example)

Thus my suggestions it a partial discount and partial free content service with only the most costly DLC's at 50% - 90% discounts and the rest content free and regularly updated as long as you have a subscription.  

In fact, both Publix and Kroger have been trying to catch up to Walmart in terms of this type of frequent shopper membership.
Its how they attract new residents who may not know about shopping stores while at the same time ensuring the growth of loyality of their consumer base.

season passes arent monthly subscriptions they generally last for as long as the developer supports the game with new content

[hidden185]

Arbiter156 wrote...
season passes arent monthly subscriptions they generally last for as long as the developer supports the game with new content

oh...  thanks for point that out. 

Ok, I still think should do the season passes to gain the loyality of repeated constumers and new constumers while at the same time keep the old system to help attract new low income gamers.

Modifié par hidden185, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[DayusMakhina]

hidden185 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...
season passes arent monthly subscriptions they generally last for as long as the developer supports the game with new content

oh...  thanks for point that out. 

Ok, I still think should do the season passes to gain the loyality of repeated constumers and new constumers while at the same time keep the old system to help attract new low income gamers.

That's what they do. There is nothing stopping people from just purchasing individual pieces of DLC rather than getting the entire bunch.

RocketManSR2 wrote...

The poll surprised me. It's almost evenly split.

Considering it's quite evident a lot of people don't really have all that much of an understanding of what a 'season pass' entails i'd say it's not all that surprising.

[CannonO]

N172 wrote...

So it is finally here, that idea of creating something and let customers pay more than once for it.
EA/Bioware paid their employees one time to create a DLC, they create it one time and then its there, it is not necessary to "recreate" it.

Whould i pay multiple times? No, i may buy up to 50% of the DRM-infused games i whould have bought without DRM, but i definitely wont buy such time-limited bs.

Forgot to read what a season pass is, eh?

DayusMakhina wrote...

hidden185 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...
season passes arent monthly subscriptions they generally last for as long as the developer supports the game with new content

oh...  thanks for point that out. 

Ok, I still think should do the season passes to gain the loyality of repeated constumers and new constumers while at the same time keep the old system to help attract new low income gamers.

That's what they do. There is nothing stopping people from just purchasing individual pieces of DLC rather than getting the entire bunch.

RocketManSR2 wrote...

The poll surprised me. It's almost evenly split.

Considering it's quite evident a lot of people don't really have all that much of an understanding of what a 'season pass' entails i'd say it's not all that surprising.

A lot of people seem to be against it for the wrong reasons. They think it is either a subscription, that it expires after a few releases, that they won't be able to buy DLC separately if the season pass option is offered, or that they won't know what content will be part of the season pass when they buy it. All of those things are false.

Season Pass is an alternative for those who want all the content (which will be described before purchase) and will receive them cheaper by paying the one-time price for the pass. For those who don't know if they want them all, you of course, can get them separate!

Modifié par CannonLars, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:50 .

[SgtPepper667]

I was talking to my roommate about this yesterday.

I would LOVE to buy all the figurines, pre-order the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book, and pre-order a copy of the game from every retailer...but I am a poor college student, and even if I wasn't, I don't think I could justify paying that much for extra content.

Extra content that as an RPG gamer would completely bother me if I didn't have. Especially since the Mass Effect series is absolutely my favorite. I can understand not including the pre-order bonuses (unless they were missions instead of weapons) in the Season Pass, and for those that want to, they can still purchase the figures to access it. I'm not entirely sure if this would actually work in practice, but I think it deserves a shot.

I purchased the Season Pass for Gears of War 3, and I am extremely satisfied with it. I paid $30 for it, yet I am still reaping the benefits of it four months after the game's release. Even though I can't afford to buy all that really neat Mass Effect stuff to get DLC, I would definitely pay $30 for a Season Pass to receive at least most of it. All of it would be perfect, but I understand some things can't be done. I'd even eat nothing but Ramen for a week if I had to, haha.

I really hope there is some way that this can be done. I know me and a lot of other people would be extremely happy.

Modifié par SgtPepper667, 25 janvier 2012 - 05:19 .

[Arbiter156]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

I was talking to my roommate about this yesterday.

I would LOVE to buy all the figurines, pre-order the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book, and pre-order a copy of the game from every retailer...but I am a poor college student, and even if I wasn't, I don't think I could justify paying that much for extra content.

Extra content that as an RPG gamer would completely bother me if I didn't have. Especially since the Mass Effect series is absolutely my favorite. I can understand not including the pre-order bonuses (unless they were missions instead of weapons) in the Season Pass, and for those that want to, they can still purchase the figures to access it. I'm not entirely sure if this would actually work in practice, but I think it deserves a shot.

I purchased the Season Pass for Gears of War 3, and I am extremely satisfied with it. I paid $30 for it, yet I am still reaping the benefits of it four months after the game's release. Even though I can't afford to buy all that really neat Mass Effect stuff to get DLC, I would definitely pay $30 for a Season Pass to receive at least most of it. All of it would be perfect, but I understand some things can't be done. I'd even eat nothing but Ramen for a week if I had to, haha.

I really hope there is some way that this can be done. I know me and a lot of other people would be extremely happy.

im a poor university student myslef and have decided to buy as much of the ME3 stuff as i can just because i already have all the other nice things i wanted

[N172]

CannonLars wrote...

A lot of people seem to be against it for the wrong reasons. They think it is either a subscription, that it expires after a few releases, that they won't be able to buy DLC separately if the season pass option is offered, or that they won't know what content will be part of the season pass when they buy it. All of those things are false

So its basically a preordered x-in-one DLC and "season pass" is just another stupid easily-misleading marketing catchphrase for it?
So you get all DLCs that are part of it by paying once and you do not have to pay for these DLCs ever again?

[CannonO]

N172 wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

A lot of people seem to be against it for the wrong reasons. They think it is either a subscription, that it expires after a few releases, that they won't be able to buy DLC separately if the season pass option is offered, or that they won't know what content will be part of the season pass when they buy it. All of those things are false

So its basically a preordered x-in-one DLC and "season pass" is just another stupid easily-misleading marketing catchphrase for it?
So you get all DLCs that are part of it by paying once and you do not have to pay for these DLCs ever again?

Correct. Rockstar called theirs the Rockstar Pass for LA Noire, perhaps for that reason that people would be concerned about what they mean by a Season, but Season refers generally to the entire window after release that they have planned content for and they will list that content so you know if you want to buy into them all or not.

The only reason to get the Season Pass is if you see the content that they list for the releases and decide you will want them all. The Season Pass in that situation is a smart buy because the pass costs some amount lower than what all the DLCs cost when bought separately and you just get that payment out of the way when you get the pass.

It does not interfere with normal DLC purchases if you are not interested in the pass system.

[Gold Dragon]

Poll at 54% Yes, 46% no when I just checked.

[CannonO]

Can the no answers explain why they voted no? I think the merits are pretty thoroughly explained in this thread and some of our posts.

[Computer_God91]

Sorry but I like to pick and choose the DLC that I buy. It might cost me more money, I wouldn't know, but I don't feel inclined to spend $30 ahead of time to not know what I'm getting in the future and if it's lackluster DLC then I feel like I wasted money. Not a fan of the pay us $30 now and in a few months you'll have a chance to get something that's actually good, and if not then it sucks to be you.

[Changonauta]

i only hope that bioware takes this seriously

[CannonO]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Sorry but I like to pick and choose the DLC that I buy. It might cost me more money, I wouldn't know, but I don't feel inclined to spend $30 ahead of time to not know what I'm getting in the future and if it's lackluster DLC then I feel like I wasted money. Not a fan of the pay us $30 now and in a few months you'll have a chance to get something that's actually good, and if not then it sucks to be you.

But the option of a season pass never means you can't buy them separately. Are you still against the option for those who are certain they want it? It would still allow you to buy them separately like normal DLC.

Modifié par CannonLars, 26 janvier 2012 - 01:08 .

[Computer_God91]

 

PDesign wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Sorry but I like to pick and choose the DLC that I buy. It might cost me more money, I wouldn't know, but I don't feel inclined to spend $30 ahead of time to not know what I'm getting in the future and if it's lackluster DLC then I feel like I wasted money. Not a fan of the pay us $30 now and in a few months you'll have a chance to get something that's actually good, and if not then it sucks to be you.

Season pass is optional btw.

Yes, I realize that. I just don't like them and wanted to clarify why. 

CannonLars wrote...

But the option of a season pass never means you can't buy them separately. Are you still against the option for those who are certain they want it? It would still allow you to buy them separately like normal DLC.

I'm not against the option to have one, I just wouldn't buy it. I don't give a damn what other people want to do with their money. If they feel like a game is going to release a satisfactory amount of content to justify spending that kind of money up front then by all means have at it. 90% of the time it's not worth me throwing $30 extra at a game to have all the dlc cause I tend to not like most of it or buy most of it. Now if they planned on releasing full on expansion packs for the game and they were included in the pass I would because I know I'd be saving money then. I don't think anyone creates expansions anymore except for Bethesda and that one for DA:O.

[Thargorichiban]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Poll at 54% Yes, 46% no when I just checked.

And it's changed drastically to:

67% Yes
19% No
10% Who cares?

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Giving money to companies like that puts way too much trust in them. If this doesn't get exploited now it certainly will be in the future.

You have zero guarantee they will develop more than one post-release DLC or if the DLC will even be of decent quality worth paying for. Fact is, they wouldn't even need to make the DLC good because they already have your money.

Gaming companies get away with enough as it is.