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[Ottemis]

SaturnRing wrote...
Femshep trailer did make people happy.

Definately =)
Also, Happy Valentines everyone!

ToP:

By Pickerupper

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 février 2012 - 12:05 .

[KyreneZA]

Tup3xi wrote...

While checking out Origin site, I also noticed that if you pre-order from Origin, you get every possible pre-order bonuses (N7 Defender Armor, N7 Valkyrie Assault Rifle, M55 Argus Assault Rifle and AT12 Raider Shotgun). So it's gonna be around 20:00 then...

Not so. It is region specific. Origin South Africa for instance only gives the M55 and AT12.

[Tup3x]

Kyrene wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

While checking out Origin site, I also noticed that if you pre-order from Origin, you get every possible pre-order bonuses (N7 Defender Armor, N7 Valkyrie Assault Rifle, M55 Argus Assault Rifle and AT12 Raider Shotgun). So it's gonna be around 20:00 then...

Not so. It is region specific. Origin South Africa for instance only gives the M55 and AT12.

In that case it's good to be a Finn.

f1r3storm wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Lets not ruin the happy demo day.

No no no, you're doing it wrong!

I stand corrected.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 14 février 2012 - 12:04 .

[KyreneZA]

alex90c wrote...

I never denied the quality of the artwork, yes it is good, and obviously the person who made it is talented, it's just people are critical of a bishoujo Femshep statue due to the fact that it's just going to sexualise her (if that Liara abomination is anything to go by) despite the fact that some of these very people sexualise her themselves anyway.

Just two points:

1. You attacked Ottemis first, when she made a general observation, not singling anyone out. She got defensive and things are escalating.

2. There is a big difference between hypersexualization for profit and the sexualization most fans do.

[KyreneZA]

f1r3storm wrote...

Joker Shepard sure is scary. Would have been fun if something like that was possible in the CC though.

[alex90c]

1. You attacked Ottemis first, when she made a general observation, not singling anyone out

Bullsh*t.

I said:

You two completely missed the point

Otternis said:

I might have completely missed the point? (rest of post)

General observation my backside, don't chat absolute bollocks. Did anyone say that people had completely missed the point? No they did not. I did, and she responded to ME, and only ME.

She got defensive and things are escalating.

Nah, I'm just getting ignored now. I love Femshep, but jesus christ I hope this thread isn't representative of the fanbase, I'd hate to think they were this dense to not see that there might be hypocrisy regarding the whole artwork and bishoujo thing.

2. There is a big difference between hypersexualization for profit and the sexualization most fans do.

Not really. The sole difference is the one you pointed out: profit. The level of sexualisation is irrelevant, the crux of my argument is that Kotokuyika (quite rightfully) get chastised for their sexualisation, and when it turns out they're making a Femshep statue people are (rightfully again) worried they'll do the same, despite the fact that some of these very people sexualise Femshep themselves. And for some reason, all the fans in this thread have decided to make their minds completely impervious to this fact.

Modifié par alex90c, 14 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[Ottemis]

Heh, my "I might have completely missed the point" wasn't meant to link to your earlier comment at all, I said it because I (exactly what it means) wasn't sure I got the core of the issue straight. I didn't even notice till later the wording was alike. You pulled parallel apparently, or rather, jumped to conclusions.

It meant what it meant, not what you made it out to be.

Also, the statue is a valid enough point but there's nothing hypocritical in wanting everyone's femshep not to be oversexualised as a default. It still gives you every right to do with your own shep whatever the hell you want, because she's YOUR creation. Recognizing that what you want is maybe not what the general fanbase wants doesn't
make you a hypocrite, it makes you considerate of other people's wishes.

Other side of the spectrum. And once again, this is a glass half full / empty discussion.
I also still find this all horribly exxagerated, and as both Kyrene and Sable have said, not really comparable.

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 février 2012 - 12:35 .

[Tup3x]

Just to point out... If someone think that was somehow over the top, just take a look at Kaidan thread....

[Captain Crash]

Kyrene wrote...

alex90c wrote...

I never denied the quality of the artwork, yes it is good, and obviously the person who made it is talented, it's just people are critical of a bishoujo Femshep statue due to the fact that it's just going to sexualise her (if that Liara abomination is anything to go by) despite the fact that some of these very people sexualise her themselves anyway.

Just two points:

1. You attacked Ottemis first, when she made a general observation, not singling anyone out. She got defensive and things are escalating.

2. There is a big difference between hypersexualization for profit and the sexualization most fans do.

Additionally there is a massive difference between fan art and something officially endorsed by Bioware.  So much so you cant really compare the two.   Fan art can be shrugged off as anyones "fantasy" or imagination.   When Bioware endorse a company to create an altered image of her that gives an official ring to it.  It cant be passed over like fanart because Bioware have allowed the image themselves to be created and spread on a wide scale. They have officially said it is an "ok" image for her by allowing it to happen which is totally different scenario to someones fanart fantasy.

[alex90c]

Ottemis wrote...

Heh, my "I might have completely missed the point" wasn't meant to link to your earlier comment at all, I said it because I (exactly what it means) wasn't sure I got the core of the issue straight. I didn't even notice till later the wording was alike. You pulled parallel apparently, or rather, jumped to conclusions.

It meant what it meant, not what you made it out to be.

I actually can not believe what I'm reading.

Please tell me you're being this obtuse on purpose. Please. I'm sure you're an intelligent person, and this is just some kind of act. 

[Ottemis]

Pff, you're just.... Yeah, I'm done.

[alex90c]

[continued]

Ottemis wrote...

Heh, my "I might have completely missed the point" wasn't meant to link to your earlier comment at all, I said it because I (exactly what it means) wasn't sure I got the core of the issue straight. I didn't even notice till later the wording was alike. You pulled parallel apparently, or rather, jumped to conclusions.

It meant what it meant, not what you made it out to be.

I actually can not believe what I'm reading.

Please tell me you're being this obtuse on purpose. Please. I'm sure you're an intelligent person, and this is just some kind of act.

Additionally there is a massive difference between fan art and something officially endorsed by Bioware. So much so you cant really compare the two. Fan art can be shrugged off as anyones "fantasy" or imagination. When Bioware endorse a company to create an altered image of her that gives an official ring to it. It cant be passed over like fanart because Bioware have allowed the image themselves to be created and spread on a wide scale. They have officially said it is an "ok" image for her by allowing it to happen which is totally different scenario to someones fanart fantasy.

Shifting the goal posts again. I'm arguing my main point, not any of these secondary issues. To put this in to layman's terms since we're just going round in circles:

1. Femshep fans don't want their character sexualised by Bioware
2. Femshep fans sexualise Femshep already
3. News appears of a Kotobuyika Femshep statue
4. People express disgust

All I've been saying this whole time is that this is hypocrisy and double standards. No Bioware don't sexualise our favourite female protagonist, that would be horrible! Oh by the way just so you know, we can sexualise her but you can't.

That is it. That is all I've been saying. And for some reason it's like nobody for the past two pages but me can even see that.

Modifié par alex90c, 14 février 2012 - 12:39 .

[Boobasaurus]

I'm just gonna throw Anya in here.

Modifié par Lehna, 14 février 2012 - 12:41 .

[KyreneZA]

alex90c wrote...

1. You attacked Ottemis first, when she made a general observation, not singling anyone out

Bullsh*t.

I said:

You two completely missed the point

Otternis said:

I might have completely missed the point? (rest of post)

General observation my backside, don't chat absolute bollocks. Did anyone say that people had completely missed the point? No they did not. I did, and she responded to ME, and only ME.

She got defensive and things are escalating.

Nah, I'm just getting ignored now. I love Femshep, but jesus christ I hope this thread isn't representative of the fanbase, I'd hate to think they were this dense to not see that there might be hypocrisy regarding the whole artwork and bishoujo thing.

You are not reading with full comprehension, because I suspect you are too quick to take things personally, and thereby missing context and ascribing every single comment (general or persoanl) as a personal attack. Nobody is ignoring you either, chillax! Synapus was ignoring all juxataposition arguments. Also, blaspheming, swearing and insulting wording isn't helping your case.

2. There is a big difference between hypersexualization for profit and the sexualization most fans do.

Not really. The sole difference is the one you pointed out: profit.

So you concede that the juxtaposition argument is a false one, as there is a contextual difference between the two examples?

[MizzNaaa]

[SaturnRing]

No trace of default 1.0 in there. Damn. I don't have time to explore the cc in depth but on first glance she is absent.

[Fraevar]

alex90c wrote...

All I've been saying this whole time is that this is hypocrisy and double standards. No Bioware don't sexualise our favourite female protagonist, that would be horrible! Oh by the way just so you know, we can sexualise her but you can't.

That is it. That is all I've been saying. And for some reason it's like nobody for the past two pages but me can even see that.

Well there are degrees of sexualization. I personally cannot stand the look/style of the Liara statue and don't want to see femShep rendered in that style. On the other hand, I find the artwork (which has sadly caused so much trouble here) to be quite well-done, tasteful and sexual to a degree that retains many of the aspects I like about the character: Strength, determination and compassion.

Am I being hypocritical? By the word's definition - yes, absolutely. But I don't really care since I'm aware of this and did not reach this viewpoint as some part of a collective consciousness of "femshep fans". I looked at the example and arrived at my own opinion. And I recognise that.

Not all people agree on everything, as long as we keep those disagreements civil, it's fine. And that is all I have to say on this topic.

SaturnRing wrote...

No trace of default 1.0 in there. Damn. I don't have time to explore the cc in depth but on first glance she is absent.

She is actually there. She's the first preset when you select "Custom Appearence" But the way they changed the meshes, skintexture and coloring really makes her look different. I had the same problem when importing my ME2 facecode - I totally could not recognise my Shepard.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 14 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[MizzNaaa]

MizzNaaa wrote...

[SaturnRing]

Ottemis wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...
Femshep trailer did make people happy.

Definately =)
Also, Happy Valentines everyone!

ToP:

By Pickerupper

Very refreshing.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 14 février 2012 - 12:50 .

[Captain Crash]

 

alex90c wrote...

Shifting the goal posts again. I'm arguing my main point

 

Yeah my post explains your main point. One or two sexy fanart pieces (or worse if you want to look hard) means thats everyones image is that of her?   Your twisting your point into something it isnt. Sorry but your just here to argue

Ottemis wrote...

Pff, you're just.... Yeah, I'm done.

 

Yep 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 14 février 2012 - 12:53 .

[alex90c]

You are not reading with full comprehension, because I suspect you are too quick to take things personally, and thereby missing context and ascribing every single comment (general or persoanl) as a personal attack. Nobody is ignoring you either, chillax!

"not reading with full comprehension"?

My comprehension is fine.

Also, blaspheming, swearing and insulting wording isn't helping your case.

As long as I make my point (which I am), the amount of swearing is completely irrelevant. If I write an essay on how Julius Caesar was an amazing guy and cram it with swears, as long as I actually make my points and back it up with evidence, my essay will still be perfectly valid. And if it's the swearing itself making people ignore what I'm saying, then well they've got a bit of growing up to do.

So you concede that the juxtaposition argument is a false one, as there is a contextual difference between the two examples?

No it is not a false argument at all, I don't see how identifying the difference of profit suddenly makes it immediately entirely invalid, they both involve sexualisation, and the juxtaposition is perfectly acceptable as a means of pointing out the hypocrisy of some Femshep fans.

[Tup3x]

alex90c wrote...

[continued]

Ottemis wrote...

Heh, my "I might have completely missed the point" wasn't meant to link to your earlier comment at all, I said it because I (exactly what it means) wasn't sure I got the core of the issue straight. I didn't even notice till later the wording was alike. You pulled parallel apparently, or rather, jumped to conclusions.

It meant what it meant, not what you made it out to be.

I actually can not believe what I'm reading.

Please tell me you're being this obtuse on purpose. Please. I'm sure you're an intelligent person, and this is just some kind of act.

Additionally there is a massive difference between fan art and something officially endorsed by Bioware. So much so you cant really compare the two. Fan art can be shrugged off as anyones "fantasy" or imagination. When Bioware endorse a company to create an altered image of her that gives an official ring to it. It cant be passed over like fanart because Bioware have allowed the image themselves to be created and spread on a wide scale. They have officially said it is an "ok" image for her by allowing it to happen which is totally different scenario to someones fanart fantasy.

Shifting the goal posts again. I'm arguing my main point, not any of these secondary issues. To put this in to layman's terms since we're just going round in circles:

1. Femshep fans don't want their character sexualised by Bioware
2. Femshep fans sexualise Femshep already
3. News appears of a Kotobuyika Femshep statue
4. People express disgust

All I've been saying this whole time is that this is hypocrisy and double standards. No Bioware don't sexualise our favourite female protagonist, that would be horrible! Oh by the way just so you know, we can sexualise her but you can't.

That is it. That is all I've been saying. And for some reason it's like nobody for the past two pages but me can even see that.

You are generalizing too much. People have different opinions and they post whatever they like, it doesn't mean that the majority would think alike.

I'd seriously suggest PM's if people want to still argue....

Modifié par Tup3xi, 14 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[Killer3000ad]

Yumi50 wrote...
thx guys! 

I think if the classy is the same in final as in demo, my shep could have gone to hair salon while she was grounded.

Alliance Dress
/snibbage
That's all for now. I should go. 

Umm, I just looked pass them all and noticed that only option 2, 5 and A seem to be most noticable.
So I went with 2.

Also, I did try the light-color eyes like, white or whitebluish and it does seem to make eye liners look even more dull.
So I tend to avoid that. But dark eyes make her look... brutal lol so yeah I went with bright green.

ZOMG IT'S SUNNY FROM SNSD!

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 14 février 2012 - 12:52 .

[alex90c]

Just to clarify since it seems to be causing confusion, I'm not making a blanket statement of "ALL Femshep fans hold double standards and are hypocrites", I'm simply targeting my posts at those who do, and just questioning the hypocrisy itself - as in why it's okay for fans to make her sexy, but Kotobuyika and their retarded statues aren't.

Modifié par alex90c, 14 février 2012 - 12:53 .