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[Sable Phoenix]

silverhammer08 wrote...

Since when don't we need Origin for the Retail Version of ME3 ? Last thing I heard was, that ME3 will need Origin, no matter if you bought it digitally or from a physical Store like GameStop, EB Games or any other retailer for that matter.

If that's the case, I'm going to find myself a hacked executable.  I refuse to use third-party or external launchers like that.  I don't even use STEAM.

Chignon wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I do
get the sense that when Shepard watches the shuttles being shot down,
her war against the Reapers transforms from simple animal survival to
outright hatred.


This look does not spell anything good for innocent-butchering AI starships.

Definitely agreeing with you here!

Also, that's a really lovely picture of Jessica.

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Thank you! 

I have yet to comment on Noah, but it looks like she survived the transition to ME3 with her fearsome pixie-death-stare intact.  She's definitely in my top three recognizable Sheps along with Sage's Kyrie and AkodoRyu's Marge.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[ADLegend21]

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

[JECWSU]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

adneate wrote...

RE: TexMod From what I've been able to figure out TexMod is pretty much impossible to run with Origin, since ever paranoid EA has a double .exe check before it launches. First checking MassEffect3Demo.exe then MassEffect3DemoConfig.exe every single time it launches, which makes it impossible for the program to check the files loaded into memory since Origin launches ME3 twice. Which makes modding pretty much impossible.

That's disappointing.
Most of my shepards were modded so the will probably look very different in ME3.

Luckily these two don't look that different with out the mods.

Also luckily, retail ME3 won't require Origin (unless you buy the digital download), which means Texmod should work fine.  At least, I hope  it won't require Origin, because there's no way I'm keeping that useless piece of spyware on my computer now that I'm done with the ME3 demo.

Is origin the only way to run ME3 on the pc?
I didn't want to have to keep it on my computer either.

[Sable Phoenix]

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

There was a child on board.  A young, scared child with whom Shepard had, however briefly, bonded during the attempt to coax him out of the ducts.

There's an extremely strong biological imperative in almost all mammals to protect their young, and it's even stronger for the female of the species.  Actually seeing a Reaper incinerate one of those young makes it real in a way that no thousands of nameless, faceless colonists could.

It's the same phenomenon where you feel vague sympathy for the Ethiopian people when you hear about them starving on the radio, but when you see an infomercial with a malnourished little child with flies on his face, you're actually moved to send money to charity for them.

It's also a cheap dramatic sucker-punch to get you pulled into a story, but BioWare used it because it works every single time.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 07:55 .

[Liesel12]

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

Because seeing the colonists taken away (except in Horizon) was something not witnessed but heard and investigated. It is sort of like 9/11. Everyone mourned for the loss but it was remote, not happening in their sphere of influence. 

Besides which, it isn't so much the shuttles being shot down but the child aboard one of them. That was the heart clincher. You never want to think anything bad could happen to a child and when it does, it sets your heart afire.

[Sable Phoenix]

JECWSU wrote...

Is origin the only way to run ME3 on the pc?
I didn't want to have to keep it on my computer either.

If it does require Origin, as I said, I'll find a hacked ME3 executable that doesn't.  I despise external monitoring software and refuse to submit to EA's paranoia.  After I buy the software they don't get to dictate how I use it.  I only downloaded it so I could see what Jessica looked like in the demo.  Turns out, she doesn't like overcontrolling corporations either.


"Keep your damned spyware off my omnitool."

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 07:59 .

[ADLegend21]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

There was a child on board.  A young, scared child with whom Shepard had, however briefly, bonded during the attempt to coax him out of the ducts.

There's an extremely strong biological imperative in almost all mammals to protect their young, and it's even stronger for the female of the species.  Actually seeing a Reaper incinerate one makes it real in a way that no thousands of nameless, faceless colonists could.

It's the same phenomenon where you feel vague sympathy for the Ethiopian people when you hear about it on the radio, but when you see an infomercial with a malnourished little child with flies on his face, you're actually moved to send money to charity for them.

of the hundreds of Thousands of people abducted and put INTO a reaper there could be children amongst them. There are innocent Adults with the rest of their lives ahead of them that were cut short by fighting Sovereign when he tried to start what's happening now early, the ones abducted to fuel the reproduction of an ancient machine race, hell soldiers that try to PROTECT these civilians that were killed.Them and the rest losing family members wasn't already enough? hell members on your SR-2 crew had families that were taken by the collectors but now a child, who could be imaginary since as he gets on he's completely ignored by both the alliance solider and the civilians, is what sets Shepard into The reapers must DIE mode all because of a "we must protect our young" imperative?

[Gilsa]

Liesel12 wrote...

 Since the demo and making screenies, there are three particular ones that grabbed my attention that is testament that Shepard is showing more or her humanity there. 

-snip awesome photo and log-

I was really impressed with how this story arc played out as a renegade, too. I was worried that the "Get out of here!" dialogue choice was going to be tantamount to "Hey, kid, don't be stupid, scram." Fortunately there was compassion in the urgency of the situation. I was very pleased with how the delicacy of the situation was handled for both paragon and renegade choices. (I know they weren't technically blue or red choices -- just giving out examples of nice versus tough lines.)

[Sable Phoenix]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

There was a child on board.  A young, scared child with whom Shepard had, however briefly, bonded during the attempt to coax him out of the ducts.

There's an extremely strong biological imperative in almost all mammals to protect their young, and it's even stronger for the female of the species.  Actually seeing a Reaper incinerate one makes it real in a way that no thousands of nameless, faceless colonists could.

It's the same phenomenon where you feel vague sympathy for the Ethiopian people when you hear about it on the radio, but when you see an infomercial with a malnourished little child with flies on his face, you're actually moved to send money to charity for them.

of the hundreds of Thousands of people abducted and put INTO a reaper there could be children amongst them. There are innocent Adults with the rest of their lives ahead of them that were cut short by fighting Sovereign when he tried to start what's happening now early, the ones abducted to fuel the reproduction of an ancient machine race, hell soldiers that try to PROTECT these civilians that were killed.Them and the rest losing family members wasn't already enough? hell members on your SR-2 crew had families that were taken by the collectors but now a child, who could be imaginary since as he gets on he's completely ignored by both the alliance solider and the civilians, is what sets Shepard into The reapers must DIE mode all because of a "we must protect our young" imperative?

Intellectually, everyone knows that.

Intellectually, you recoil inside when you hear about a child being killed by some predator.

There's still very pronounced difference in the emotional response between hearing about it and seeing it happen right in front of you.  Especially if you're utterly helpless to change it.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 08:00 .

[Liesel12]

I think it is a thing that has been building up in Shep for a long time, tbh. It is like, what would it take to kick you over the edge and go into overdrive? There is something about connecting personally with a being before they die, than watching from afar. Connecting to the child is connecting to the human, giving more than just a bystander that follows in your wake sort of thing.

LOL I like to think this is Shep's "Falling Down" episode.

[Tup3x]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Testing different eyes (one notch right).

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!  She's perfect! Don't touch!!!   

BTW, what's her name again? Megan?

Her name is Tiia (and those eyes definitely weren't right).

[Chignon]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

There was a child on board.  A young, scared child with whom Shepard had, however briefly, bonded during the attempt to coax him out of the ducts.

There's an extremely strong biological imperative in almost all mammals to protect their young, and it's even stronger for the female of the species.  Actually seeing a Reaper incinerate one of those young makes it real in a way that no thousands of nameless, faceless colonists could.

It's the same phenomenon where you feel vague sympathy for the Ethiopian people when you hear about them starving on the radio, but when you see an infomercial with a malnourished little child with flies on his face, you're actually moved to send money to charity for them.

It's also a cheap dramatic sucker-punch to get you pulled into a story, but BioWare used it because it works every single time.

This.

Children may have been abducted on other colonies, such as Horizon, but we've never seen it and have never been confronted by it so directly as in the ME3 demo.

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Thank you! 

I have yet to comment on Noah, but it looks like she survived the transition to ME3 with her fearsome pixie-death-stare intact.  She's definitely in my top three recognizable Sheps along with Sage's Kyrie and AkodoRyu's Marge.

You're very welcome, Sable!

And it's no problem -- the thread moves fast. Yes, after quite a bit of tweaking, I'm finally satisfied with how she looks.

[Demonhoopa]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

There was a child on board.  A young, scared child with whom Shepard had, however briefly, bonded during the attempt to coax him out of the ducts.

There's an extremely strong biological imperative in almost all mammals to protect their young, and it's even stronger for the female of the species.  Actually seeing a Reaper incinerate one makes it real in a way that no thousands of nameless, faceless colonists could.

It's the same phenomenon where you feel vague sympathy for the Ethiopian people when you hear about it on the radio, but when you see an infomercial with a malnourished little child with flies on his face, you're actually moved to send money to charity for them.

of the hundreds of Thousands of people abducted and put INTO a reaper there could be children amongst them. There are innocent Adults with the rest of their lives ahead of them that were cut short by fighting Sovereign when he tried to start what's happening now early, the ones abducted to fuel the reproduction of an ancient machine race, hell soldiers that try to PROTECT these civilians that were killed.Them and the rest losing family members wasn't already enough? hell members on your SR-2 crew had families that were taken by the collectors but now a child, who could be imaginary since as he gets on he's completely ignored by both the alliance solider and the civilians, is what sets Shepard into The reapers must DIE mode all because of a "we must protect our young" imperative?

You're trying to intellectualize emotion......always a losing proposition.

She WATCHED an innocent child, and other faceless civilians who were in the shuttle, incinerated on Earth, the human homeworld. She may have just been watching that child play happily with his toy while looking out her window a short time earlier.

While I'm perplexed that you don't see the difference because of the context, I am NOT one of those who feels this was the moment that it became personal for her.

What I saw was Shepard simply feeling grief, pain and sadness watching that little kid get vaporized while she could only stand by, a helpless spectator (not a comfortable scenario for her I'd imagine).

As you already mentioned, I would think getting spaced, especially if you have a renegade "B*** on wheels" Shepard, would be enough to make it personal.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 15 février 2012 - 08:10 .

[ADLegend21]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

There was a child on board.  A young, scared child with whom Shepard had, however briefly, bonded during the attempt to coax him out of the ducts.

There's an extremely strong biological imperative in almost all mammals to protect their young, and it's even stronger for the female of the species.  Actually seeing a Reaper incinerate one makes it real in a way that no thousands of nameless, faceless colonists could.

It's the same phenomenon where you feel vague sympathy for the Ethiopian people when you hear about it on the radio, but when you see an infomercial with a malnourished little child with flies on his face, you're actually moved to send money to charity for them.

of the hundreds of Thousands of people abducted and put INTO a reaper there could be children amongst them. There are innocent Adults with the rest of their lives ahead of them that were cut short by fighting Sovereign when he tried to start what's happening now early, the ones abducted to fuel the reproduction of an ancient machine race, hell soldiers that try to PROTECT these civilians that were killed.Them and the rest losing family members wasn't already enough? hell members on your SR-2 crew had families that were taken by the collectors but now a child, who could be imaginary since as he gets on he's completely ignored by both the alliance solider and the civilians, is what sets Shepard into The reapers must DIE mode all because of a "we must protect our young" imperative?

Intellectually, everyone knows that.

Intellectually, you recoil inside when you hear about a child being killed by some predator.

There's still very pronounced difference in the emotional response between hearing about it and seeing it happen right in front of you.  Especially if you're utterly helpless to change it.

If you know it intellectually that should already be in your head. You're also forgetting the personal aspect of Shepard v. Reapers. They've take YOU, on the spacer background, from your family and your lover if you went down th romance path of Kaidan Ashley, or Liara. While it is different seeing it in person, if it took a child's possible death (still not sure that child is really there and Shepard's not falling into rampacy) to get you all in I'm questioning that Shepard's commitment.

[jeweledleah]

Liesel12 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

Because seeing the colonists taken away (except in Horizon) was something not witnessed but heard and investigated. It is sort of like 9/11. Everyone mourned for the loss but it was remote, not happening in their sphere of influence. 

Besides which, it isn't so much the shuttles being shot down but the child aboard one of them. That was the heart clincher. You never want to think anything bad could happen to a child and when it does, it sets your heart afire.

well it depends on how close you were to 9/11.  I saw it happen.  I sat in dread for some very horrifying minutes before husband called me and told me he's ok and will try to make his way home, carefuly.  I could have been in the area myself, had I not called in sick that day.

things are more personal the others, but yes, seeing something like that happen before your eyes, having a certain personal attachement to it has bigger impact then just hearing about it.  and sometimes, a single life can be that straw that broke camels back, that a whole bail of straw coudln't.

[Mr.House]

Because seeing a kid getting killed is diffrent then seeing an adult getting killed. Plain and simple. Not to mention some Shepards like my Fiona are colonist, so seeing a oyung kid get killed hit home for her. Her reaction really made me sad inside, so well done.

[Sable Phoenix]

Demonhoopa wrote...

As you already mentioned, I would think getting spaced, especially if you have a renegade "**** on wheels" Shepard, would be enough to make it personal.

Again.  "Personal" and "hatred" are two different things.  Comparitively few people experience real, intense hatred in their lives, whereas a fight can be personal without involving hatred at all.  You can take a fight personally because it involves fear, or loss, or humiliation, or any combination of those things, and never really hate the thing you're fighting.

Jessica took the fight with Saren personally.  She took the fight with the Collectors personally.  You bet she took Cerberus and TIM's manipulations personally.  But as personal as the fights were, they were all still obstacles, and little more.  With an obstacle, you go around it, over it, or through it and don't waste a thought on it once you're past it.

After seeing her expression settle into stone after the shuttles were destroyed in the opening of ME3, her focus on the Reapers themselves shifted way beyond personal into an active, boiling hatred.  The Reapers aren't an obstacle any more.  They're a vendetta.

ADLegend21 wrote...

If you know it intellectually that should already be in your head. You're
also forgetting the personal aspect of Shepard v. Reapers. They've take
YOU, on the spacer background, from your family and your lover if you
went down th romance path of Kaidan Ashley, or Liara. While it is
different seeing it in person, if it took a child's possible death
(still not sure that child is really there and Shepard's not falling
into rampacy) to get you all in I'm questioning that Shepard's
commitment.

Really?

You know how the hero's always willing to sacrifice his life for the woman he loves, or for his family, or for Earth or the galaxy or whatever he's fighting for?  How the villain always threatens what the hero loves to get him to capitulate, when threats against the hero personally never work?

Dying for an ideal is easy.  Watching someone else die for it is hard.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 08:18 .

[Liesel12]

My Mira is a Spacer and true through career military. As any soldier seeing innocents go, especially children, it just adds fuel to the fire. It hardens ones commitment to the fight.Things just keep piling on. Emotions aren't rational. They are irrational, illogical, and will often act out before the head engages. Everyone will react differently, of course, but you have to take in what makes your Shepard go off? I for one, felt helpless to go help those shuttles. Psychologically, this adds another notch in Shepard of another life lost under their watch. Another life that they were helpless to prevent.

[Captain Crash]

Mr.House wrote...

Because seeing a kid getting killed is diffrent then seeing an adult getting killed. Plain and simple. Not to mention some Shepards like my Fiona are colonist, so seeing a oyung kid get killed hit home for her. Her reaction really made me sad inside, so well done.

Not to mention a child is innocent and has his whole life ahead of him, which is a far more differing context to adults. Having it cut so short is a terrible tradegy and always gets more of an emotional responce due to its very nature.

Im suprised you brought this up AD,  the reasoning behind it seems very clear and straight forward. I dont think it has anything to do with Shepards commitment as you suggest.    Its just a hard hitting scene because of the afore mentioned context.  Tieing it into Shepards background is easy because of emotion involved

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 février 2012 - 08:25 .

[Demonhoopa]

Liesel12 wrote...

My Mira is a Spacer and true through career military. As any soldier seeing innocents go, especially children, it just adds fuel to the fire. It hardens ones commitment to the fight.Things just keep piling on. Emotions aren't rational. They are irrational, illogical, and will often act out before the head engages. Everyone will react differently, of course, but you have to take in what makes your Shepard go off? I for one, felt helpless to go help those shuttles. Psychologically, this adds another notch in Shepard of another life lost under their watch. Another life that they were helpless to prevent.

Exactly. Thank you.

I have 10 or 11 different backgrounds and varying levels of "Paragon" and or "Renegade". This particular scene is going to stir different emotions in them.

Captain Crash wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Because seeing a kid getting killed is diffrent then seeing an adult getting killed. Plain and simple. Not to mention some Shepards like my Fiona are colonist, so seeing a oyung kid get killed hit home for her. Her reaction really made me sad inside, so well done.

Not to mention a child is innocent and has his whole life ahead of him.  Having it cut so short is a terrible tradegy and always gets more of an emotional responce due to its very nature.

Im suprised you brought this up AD,  the reasoning behind it seems very clear and straight forward. I dont think it has anything to do with Shepards commitment as you suggest.    Its just a hard hitting scene because of the afore mentioned context.  Tieing it into Shepards background is easy because of emotion involved

Agree. Child death being poignant is something I see as a no brainer. I'll take it a step further. I empathize and am more protective of women. Maybe because the first 3 of my 5 kids are girls so for a lot of years, it was just me and a house full of women. I'm much more desenitized to men being hurt partly because of how are society works and probably because of my rough upbringing (which is probably why I usually choose a female option in these games. I have more empathy for them so the story is more powerful for me. I never worried for Marcus Pheonix in Gears of War).

But a helpless little kid is a whole different level above females for me. I won't even WATCH a movie that centers around a sick kid or soemthing like Lorenzo's Oil.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 15 février 2012 - 08:31 .

[adneate]

krayzi wrote...
There is a way to use Texmod. I explained it a page back

Speaking of which I put together my first TexMod for ME3's demo, I've used some of the new default's textures on Danielle. Giving her some eye liner and new lip textures.





I'll also have to play around with putting new default's face and normals in ME1 and ME2, just cause!

[ADLegend21]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

If you know it intellectually that should already be in your head. You're
also forgetting the personal aspect of Shepard v. Reapers. They've take
YOU, on the spacer background, from your family and your lover if you
went down th romance path of Kaidan Ashley, or Liara. While it is
different seeing it in person, if it took a child's possible death
(still not sure that child is really there and Shepard's not falling
into rampacy) to get you all in I'm questioning that Shepard's
commitment.

Really?

You know how the hero's always willing to sacrifice his life for the woman he loves, or for his family, or for Earth or the galaxy or whatever he's fighting for?  How the villain always threatens what the hero loves to get him to capitulate, when threats against the hero personally never work?

Dying for an ideal is easy.  Watching someone else die for it is hard.

People have ALREADY died for it. Jenkins on Eden Prime, the 212 for Ashley, Feros colonists, exoGeni employee's, Binary Helix employee's, Ashley or Kaidan on Virmire, Indoctrinated Saren, YOU, and all the colonists. tehy've already died because of the reapers and their agents, you've seen most of them die yourself, you should already be as all in ass you need to be the child should just be extra toppings on the cake of hatred you hold for the reapers. So yes I call the commitment of shepard's that are only at the "on like donkey king" stage because of that child because there's already been so much that should have set them off before now.

[Mr.House]

Jenkins was the token squadmate that always dies at the start though :innocent:

[Liesel12]

Everyone has their threshold. Seeing and connecting to the child could be the one that snapped the camel's back.

[Ottemis]

Captain Crash wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Because seeing a kid getting killed is diffrent then seeing an adult getting killed. Plain and simple. Not to mention some Shepards like my Fiona are colonist, so seeing a oyung kid get killed hit home for her. Her reaction really made me sad inside, so well done.

Not to mention a child is innocent and has his whole life ahead of him, which is a far more differing context to adults. Having it cut so short is a terrible tradegy and always gets more of an emotional responce due to its very nature.

Im suprised you brought this up AD,  the reasoning behind it seems very clear and straight forward. I dont think it has anything to do with Shepards commitment as you suggest.    Its just a hard hitting scene because of the afore mentioned context.  Tieing it into Shepards background is easy because of emotion involved

It's not so much that the scene wouldn't ****** shep off, hurt her, disgust her, and/or strengthen her resolve. If she isn't at hate yet by the point the shuttle blows up, that's what i'm personally falling over. Virmire, you sac a teammate and friend because a fellow spectre is indoctrinated by the reapers, you knew from then, you sacrificed. You lost friends, colleagues, aside from millions of people being taken. You died.
That **** was on ages ago, while the child is saddening, and maddening, if THAT's where it turns to hate, maky no sensey, sorry.