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[ADLegend21]

Mr.House wrote...

Jenkins was the token squadmate that always dies at the start though :innocent:

that's the point XD you can't save him, Damn those reapers!

[Lucky Thirteen]

I think of the kid is more of a reminder things are real bad and Shepard will not be able to save everyone, no matter how hard Shepard tries. Sure paragon Shepard can say that shortly before with Anderson, but this kid is the visual representation of that line.

It sets the mood for the game.

[ELE08]

krayzi wrote...

There is a way to run Texmod with Origin
I try to explain it and hope everyone can understand it:innocent:  It's actually pretty easy

1. Copy your Texmod exe into the folder where your MassEffect3Demo.exe is located
2. Rename your Texmod exe into MassEffect3Demo and the MassEffect3Demo into whatever name you please
3. Start Origin and click onto the Demo
4. Now it should load the Texmod exe
5. After that go back to your folder and change the name of your Texmod exe and Demo exe
6. Now go back to Texmod and browse the demo exe and run it

Now you should be able to run Texmod within the demo

example:

snip

Thank you <3

This works.  I was trying the Steam workaround when it came out...needed those last 2 steps.



Will need updating for ME3 graphics, but Teagan...looks pretty much like Teagan again. Huzzah.

[SaturnRing]

 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 15 février 2012 - 09:41 .

[jeweledleah]

Mr.House wrote...

Jenkins was the token squadmate that always dies at the start though :innocent:

you know, maybe I'm just overemotional sap, but i feel bad, every single time Jenkins dies.  I pretty much stopped talking to him, to make it less blach, but it still gives me that pang.  damn it.

[Sable Phoenix]

Ottemis wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Because seeing a kid getting killed is diffrent then seeing an adult getting killed. Plain and simple. Not to mention some Shepards like my Fiona are colonist, so seeing a oyung kid get killed hit home for her. Her reaction really made me sad inside, so well done.

Not to mention a child is innocent and has his whole life ahead of him, which is a far more differing context to adults. Having it cut so short is a terrible tradegy and always gets more of an emotional responce due to its very nature.

Im suprised you brought this up AD,  the reasoning behind it seems very clear and straight forward. I dont think it has anything to do with Shepards commitment as you suggest.    Its just a hard hitting scene because of the afore mentioned context.  Tieing it into Shepards background is easy because of emotion involved

It's not so much that the scene wouldn't ****** shep off, hurt her, disgust her, and/or strengthen her resolve. If she isn't at hate yet by the point the shuttle blows up, that's what i'm personally falling over. Virmire, you sac a teammate and friend because a fellow spectre is indoctrinated by the reapers, you knew from then, you sacrificed. You lost friends, colleagues, aside from millions of people being taken. You died.
That **** was on ages ago, while the child is saddening, and maddening, if THAT's where it turns to hate, maky no sensey, sorry.

I'll put it this way.

Do you hate the earthquake and tsunami that wipe out thousands of people, including many of your friends and family?  No; you'll grieve about it, and you'll take steps to be ready so something like that doesn't happen again, but you can't hate the event, because it's a force of nature.  It's unthinking, unfeeling, and will occur whether someone is in its way or not.

Now if you see your friends and family executed by someone with a gun... the shooter, you can hate.  There is a deliberate act with reasoning and malice behind it.  Even if it were a robot made to look like a human that was simply carrying out a program, you now have a face behind it that appears to act with malicious intent, and you will hate that.

The Reapers up to this point were a force of nature.  They were quite literally unfeeling, they occured like some kind of stellar event or the insurance companies' ever-reliable Act of God, they were a faceless threat you couldn't really do anything about except try to prepare and survive.  You can fight them but you can't hate them.

The Reaper that blew up the shuttles was, in human perception, acting with deliberate malice to destroy innocent lives, including children.  That is easy to hate.  It's almost a reflex.  It's a simple emotional response, and emotion is more powerful than reason.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 08:46 .

[Ottemis]

Valid enough if not for Virmire.
And I don't quite see why you couldn't hate something that threatens and is slowly destroying everything, and i do mean EVERYTHING. It's a tangeable and direct threat, has been from the get-go. And that's aside from personal sacrifice and loss.

I just don't agree, at all, let's leave it at that.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[Jane Shepard]

I have a FemShep question... even maybe two questions.
1) What did your FemShep feel when she saw that little boy?
and
2) Whad did she feel when she left Earth?




1) Jane wanted to cry. She remembered her childhood. Lonely... abandoned... scared... She just didn't know what to do. Jane has communication problems with children and in some ways she is afraid of them. She got used to speak with adults. Soldiers like herself. She wanted to save this kid, and she blames herself she couldn't do that.

2) Jane couldn't believe it was real. She was born and grew up on Earth. It is her homeworld. By attacking Earth the Reapers hit Jane in her heart. She promised herself to do everything she can to defend other worlds against this threat and save her homeplanet. No matter what.

Modifié par Jane Shepard, 15 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

I have to agree with AD; we know well enough the dire threat without seeing a child explode. We know millions are dying, and we know that includes children, babies, pregnant mothers, spawn and tadpoles.
Yeah I know; not seeing something doesn't mean it's not happening. But I'm a delicate thing! And it's fantasy

[Mr.House]

Fiona wanted a shoulder to cry on. It's just not seeing the kid dyinig, it's seeing Earth just being destoryed by the Reapers and there is nothing she could do at all. All aorund her things where being destoryed and the only thing she could do was run. That's what hurt her the most. Fiona is not a runner, she is a fighter, always has been since she was 16.

[Demonhoopa]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I think of the kid is more of a reminder things are real bad and Shepard will not be able to save everyone, no matter how hard Shepard tries. Sure paragon Shepard can say that shortly before with Anderson, but this kid is the visual representation of that line.

It sets the mood for the game.

This

[Chignon]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

I have to agree with AD; we know well enough the dire threat without seeing a child explode. We know millions are dying, and we know that includes children, babies, pregnant mothers, spawn and tadpoles.
Yeah I know; not seeing something doesn't mean it's not happening. But I'm a delicate thing! And it's fantasy

 
I thought the point was to perpetuate what the boy says to Shepard when she finds him in the vents, "You can't help me."

[NamiraWilhelm]

Chignon wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

I have to agree with AD; we know well enough the dire threat without seeing a child explode. We know millions are dying, and we know that includes children, babies, pregnant mothers, spawn and tadpoles.
Yeah I know; not seeing something doesn't mean it's not happening. But I'm a delicate thing! And it's fantasy

 
I thought the point was to perpetuate what the boy says to Shepard when she finds him in the vents, "You can't help me."

Have we not heard not the same thing many times over in different ways, though? 

[ReallyRue]

ADLegend21 wrote...

RE: Shuttle

Why does one civilian shuttle getting shot down set off so many Shepard's? The collectors took hundreds of thousands of human colonists and KILLED Shepard, but now it seems that was only enough to get Shepard in half way? Is there something I'm missing? o.O

Perhaps it's due to her/him actually *seeing* it happen and not being able to do anything about it. Shepard seems horrified when you find the crew in the Collector Base, especially when seeing that colonist/Kelly getting liquefied, but there isn't time to process the emotion of seeing something like that, because there are other people to save, a base to blow up, etc. Whereas with the shuttle exploding, Shepard couldn't do anything about it, and has just been told s/he has to leave Earth and go get help from the Citdadel.

[Demonhoopa]

Jane Shepard wrote...

I have a FemShep question... even maybe two questions.
1) What did your FemShep feel when she saw that little boy?
and
2) Whad did she feel when she left Earth?




1) Jane wanted to cry. She remembered her childhood. Lonely... abandoned... scared... She just didn't know what to do. Jane has communication problems with children and in some ways she is afraid of them. She got used to speak with adults. Soldiers like herself. She wanted to save this kid, and she blames herself she couldn't do that.

2) Jane couldn't believe it was real. She was born and grew up on Earth. It is her homeworld. By attacking Earth the Reapers hit Jane in her heart. She promised herself to do everything she can to defend other worlds against this threat and save her homeplanet. No matter what.

No way I can go through all of them but I'll pick two randomly

Fiona
Colonist/War Hero/Paragon

Seeing the shuttles disinigrate instantly took her back to Mindoir, unearthed old pain to be mixed in with new grief watching that little boy die. 

Hope
Earthborn/Sole Survivor/Jack Bauer mode (half paragon half renegade. Good heart but willing to be ruthless if needed).

The half Japanese, half American Hope Shepard, former gang banger turned alliance soldier watches the child get into the shuttle. The shuttles lift off to take the occupants to (temporary) safety but suddenly are vaporized by a Reaper".

Hope closes her eyes and says quietly......."F**kers".

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 15 février 2012 - 10:03 .

[Captain Crash]

Indeed Lucky, theres no doubt Shepard hates the Reapers. But the scene sets the stage and Sable reasoning above is a good explanation why it really hits home for Shepard in my eyes. Its supposed to be powerful. Plus she has acted emotionally strong for a very long time, she is human and not callous and emotionless like the Reapers. Displaying her humanity against that menacing, unremitting and remorseless attack contrasts the difference between the Reapers and humanity. That we do hurt. Just because she never visually displayed her emotions before doesn't mean it didnt affect her. We know she hate everything about them. The context for this scene is different for a vast number of reasons.

[KateM]

ELE08 wrote...

krayzi wrote...

There is a way to run Texmod with Origin
I try to explain it and hope everyone can understand it:innocent:  It's actually pretty easy

1. Copy your Texmod exe into the folder where your MassEffect3Demo.exe is located
2. Rename your Texmod exe into MassEffect3Demo and the MassEffect3Demo into whatever name you please
3. Start Origin and click onto the Demo
4. Now it should load the Texmod exe
5. After that go back to your folder and change the name of your Texmod exe and Demo exe
6. Now go back to Texmod and browse the demo exe and run it

Now you should be able to run Texmod within the demo

example:

snip

Thank you <3

This works.  I was trying the Steam workaround when it came out...needed those last 2 steps.



Will need updating for ME3 graphics, but Teagan...looks pretty much like Teagan again. Huzzah.

I'm glad I could help:)

[Sable Phoenix]

Chignon wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

I have to agree with AD; we know well enough the dire threat without seeing a child explode. We know millions are dying, and we know that includes children, babies, pregnant mothers, spawn and tadpoles.
Yeah I know; not seeing something doesn't mean it's not happening. But I'm a delicate thing! And it's fantasy

 
I thought the point was to perpetuate what the boy says to Shepard when she finds him in the vents, "You can't help me."

That's a good point.

To make it really personal: 9/11 remains as an unhealed wound for me that hurts every year.  I didn't even lose any friends or family that day, yet it is still nearly as painful for me to remember as it was to watch.  You know the one thing about 9/11 that sticks in my mind, that always makes me choke up with horror and tears?  It's a picture of a man in mid-fall who had leapt from the top of one of the towers to avoid burning alive, destined only for a brutal death on the pavement hundreds of stories below.

A lot of peope died that way.  A lot more died when the planes themselves crashed.  Even more when the buildings came down.  I hurt for those people and all their families.  But that one picture is the one that's burned into my memory as if I were still looking at it, and it's that picture that makes me cry.  It's one image that encapsulates all the feelings that happened on that awful day.

To Jessica, the little boy in the shuttle is the emotional equivalent of that picture to me.  The little boy in the shuttle is not unique.  He is just one of untold tens of thousands who are perishing while the Normandy flees.  But tens of thousands of deaths are too large to comprehend.  The little boy's death is a symbol representing the loss and pain and horror in a way that the mind can actually process.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2012 - 09:14 .

[sagefic]

 You're modding ALREADY!

You guys rock. I love FemShep fans.

Attempt at re-creating facecode, so Kyrie is a little rough. Excited to see how she transfers over as pure import.





SLIDE.
(^ Fight club reference? Anyone? Anyone?)





^ I love how they both look like they've aged. A little worn around the edges. Awww...

[Lucky Thirteen]

Jane Shepard wrote...

I have a FemShep question... even maybe two questions.
1) What did your FemShep feel when she saw that little boy?
and
2) What did she feel when she left Earth?

1. I want that kid's toy star ship.

2. You move on, harder and stronger.

[CrazyRah]

Kyrie is looking really awesome! With the proper import to the real game i'm confident she will look even better.

[KyreneZA]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Do you hate the earthquake and tsunami that wipe out thousands of people, including many of your friends and family?  No; you'll grieve about it, and you'll take steps to be ready so something like that doesn't happen again, but you can't hate the event, because it's a force of nature.  It's unthinking, unfeeling, and will occur whether someone is in its way or not.

Now if you see your friends and family executed by someone with a gun... the shooter, you can hate.  There is a deliberate act with reasoning and malice behind it.  Even if it were a robot made to look like a human that was simply carrying out a program, you now have a face behind it that appears to act with malicious intent, and you will hate that.

The Reapers up to this point were a force of nature.  They were quite literally unfeeling, they occured like some kind of stellar event or the insurance companies' ever-reliable Act of God, they were a faceless threat you couldn't really do anything about except try to prepare and survive.  You can fight them but you can't hate them.

The Reaper that blew up the shuttles was, in human perception, acting with deliberate malice to destroy innocent lives, including children.  That is easy to hate.  It's almost a reflex.  It's a simple emotional response, and emotion is more powerful than reason.

No it wasn't. It's a machine, incapable of malice. It is just part of your tsunami analogy having taken out a house you could see from your hotel balcony. Minutes after you saw a child's scared face in the window of that house. Do you hate that tsunami any more or less after you've seen the house swept under water?

[Captain Crash]

sagequeen wrote...


^ I love how they both look like they've aged. A little worn around the edges. Awww...

She looking great!  :happy:   Also really glad to see the maturer look come off!  Amelia for me looks like she spent her time on Earth getting a full pampering 

:innocent:

[sagefic]

CrazyRah wrote...

Kyrie is looking really awesome! With the proper import to the real game i'm confident she will look even better.

Thanks! I hope so. Some odd clipping is going on with her brow. I hope that's not a perma-feature of ME3. If so, I'll have to adjust.

Answer to questions:

1. Kid - He's Mindoir in miniature. But you can't make someone take your hand - literally or figuratively. She's stuffing that emotion because there's no time to deal with it.

2. Leaving earth - "Move, move move!"
I don't see Kyrie as being super tied to earth just because it's earth. She's a colonist, after all. She also doesn't quite get the quarian tie to the homeworld. She's more about move on, survive, save, fight back. Her concern would be the people. Also, I think somewhere in there is a grim,

"I told you so."

[SaturnRing]

Jane Shepard wrote...

I have a FemShep question... even maybe two questions.
1) What did your FemShep feel when she saw that little boy?
and
2) Whad did she feel when she left Earth?

1) Herself 22yrs ago (spacer)
2) I'm gonna need a bigger gun and bigger boots ( those that can fit up a Reaper's b...)

Modifié par SaturnRing, 15 février 2012 - 09:49 .