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[Lethania]

Gilsa wrote...

Lethania wrote...

Wait what now? Forgot Thane? What did I miss? 

See the second post on this page.

Thanks!

[SaturnRing]

meonlyred wrote...

From a non-romanced perspective Jacob and Thane are fine. But from a romanitc perspective its a kick in the lady parts. Same for the Jack and Miranda romances for Manshep. There is no excuse that all romances did not get two romance scenes. VS and Liara in ME1 and ME2. Garrus, Jacob, Thane, Jack, Miranda, and Tali in ME2 and ME3.

For the longest time I only had one Shepard who was a paragon and with Kaidan. But with ME3 coming out I started making several new Shepards, trying to get one for each LI. Looks like I should never have bothered and only made one for Garrus, Kaidan, and Liara. <_<

Even from a non romantic view what we got for Jacob and Thane was short of bread crumbs.i understand that we can't all be satisfied but guess who was available from almost the beginning?

Modifié par SaturnRing, 13 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[Chignon]

Can we be upset over the treatment of characters without lashing out at others? It'd be much appreciated.

[mccool78]

Aislinn Trista wrote...
@ADLegend
....
I can't even come into this thread anymore, cause the constant screenshots of Sheps with Kaidan and Liara just make my stomach twist up into an angry knot that I cannot untangle. ...

That is how I feel, too. There is no feeling of success, of joy at the end. I feel sadness.
For instance, what is the point those romances? Only misery? "I can't lose you again"...

It's great drama, but I think this was a mistake, because it diminishes the replay value. Who likes to be sad? 
To be fair, it shows the excellent quality of the Mass Effect games that they induce these feelings in the player. But it can backfire.

"This is about survival..."

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."

Well Bioware made me care for the characters, especially Shepard and her friends. Because I know them and I love them, like most people here.
Who if not her deserves to live? She fought so hard. There should be a way.

I don't really buy the red ending 4000+ EMS survival of Shepard. It is just not believable. one explosion directly in front of her, and then the complete destruction of the citadel? In vacuum without space suit?

Besides that, the destruction ending is like a betrayal to many of Shep's friends (EDI, Legion & the Geth, Tali). I hate it.

The Control ending? Being a dictator of the galaxy in Reaper form? uh, no.

That leaves only the synthesis ending. This is kinda interesting but that would have to be explained what that really means. And It has a bad aftertaste because it forces everyone in the galaxy to it, whether they want it or not. It seems atleast EDI and Joker liked it. Besides that With the knowledge of the reapers it should be possible to rebuild the relay network.

Modifié par mccool78, 13 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[SaturnRing]

We've all been civil so far.

[Chignon]

It's still a very passive-aggressive atmosphere.

[f1r3storm]

mccool78 wrote...


I don't really buy the red ending 4000+ EMS survival of Shepard. It is just not believable. one explosion directly in front of her, and then the complete destruction of the citadel? In vacuum without space suit?

Doesn't really look like citadel debris to me to be honest.

Modifié par f1r3storm, 13 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[SaturnRing]

Chignon wrote...

It's still a very passive-aggressive atmosphere.

i don't feel that, but i can only speak for myself.

[Chignon]

SaturnRing wrote...

Chignon wrote...

It's still a very passive-aggressive atmosphere.

i don't feel that, but i can only speak for myself.

Fair enough. I found your first post on this page to be so.

[SaturnRing]

Chignon wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Chignon wrote...

It's still a very passive-aggressive atmosphere.

i don't feel that, but i can only speak for myself.

Fair enough. I found your first post on this page to be so.

Well, sorry you feel like that; there's nothing i can do about it.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 13 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[ELE08]

I for one, will never, ever, be importing a Shepard with a Jacob romance into ME3. It's sickening enough watching the whole exchange on youtube.

I agree, Thane, Jacob, it's all fine for a Shepard that was just a friend. Well done, even. But if you take it from the perspective that these are characters that Shepard cared about, loved, were intimately close to...it's a slap in the face they would act the same way as with someone that was only a colleague or friend. Or in Thane's case, that Shepard would act in the same way.

I have a few issues beyond that. One, I think Jacob acted out of character with what we were presented with in ME2. It's like they were purposely trying to make him look bad, make Shepard look bad, the whole situation is distasteful. Why would anyone want to experience this? Not really sure what the point was besides trying to get rid of him or for drama/lulz.

It's not so much the quantity, but the quality of content for these characters that disappoints me. Not sure if it was laziness, or just callous disregard. A few lines of dialogue would have made all the difference.

I am enjoying the game again though, despite some reservations. Imported Caroline's save, and am going through slowly to catch all the things I missed the first time. No romances, so all the character interactions make sense so far. I like how "friend-Ash" and femshep are together. Somehow I think the end will be less a let-down for her, since I've always felt like she has nothing to lose.

She's my Mindoir/Ruthless Shep, so I've always felt a bit fatalistic playing her. Ends justify the means to the end. Ironically she's more paragon than Teagan in ME3, since alignment is heavily dependent on ME2 choices. Saved the council, kept the cure, rewrote the geth etc --> but in my head she does it all for selfish reasons, ie. how can she use these in the future. So not going by aligment so much as personal motivations. I still see her as renegade, if not by the strict definition of game alignment.

Ramblings aside. She looks terrible in ME3 so I'm using the default face. For my own sanity, I've given up caring a little about continuity with this series, and am working on just having fun playing.

Some of the little tidbits are classic. Shepard VI changes depending on if you are Paragon or Renegade! And I can't wait to find Conrad.

[sagefic]

Well, I'll say it again: I really liked the ending AT FIRST.

It was hard-hitting. It made me react, made me feel. I was expecting Shepard to go out in a blaze of glory and the ending was pretty epic.

but then, seriously, i lay awake thinking it over (and i tried the other endings, but stuck with the organic one - right hand option) and i'll say it again:

It works as the ending of a movie - a TV series even. BUT (and this is huge to me) it leaves me with NO desire to replay the games.

To me, it's not about being 'edgy' or realistic or whatever. and i'm really not trying to be a whiner or anything like that. on the one hand, i actually think it's a DAMN good ending in that it was emotional and got me to make a hard, brutal decision that cost me an entire race (the geth) and may have doomed us all (no mass relay) and possibly killed shepard. but i took that as 'survival on MY (organic) terms.'

however, after the adrenaline rush wore off, i see the weakness of the conclusion: how it jumps from a decision-bearing-fruit game to just...a sucker punch.

i liked the ending at the time, i now just don't see how i'll ever replay this.

[ladyvader]

sagequeen wrote...

Well, I'll say it again: I really liked the ending AT FIRST.

It was hard-hitting. It made me react, made me feel. I was expecting Shepard to go out in a blaze of glory and the ending was pretty epic.

but then, seriously, i lay awake thinking it over (and i tried the other endings, but stuck with the organic one - right hand option) and i'll say it again:

It works as the ending of a movie - a TV series even. BUT (and this is huge to me) it leaves me with NO desire to replay the games.

To me, it's not about being 'edgy' or realistic or whatever. and i'm really not trying to be a whiner or anything like that. on the one hand, i actually think it's a DAMN good ending in that it was emotional and got me to make a hard, brutal decision that cost me an entire race (the geth) and may have doomed us all (no mass relay) and possibly killed shepard. but i took that as 'survival on MY (organic) terms.'

however, after the adrenaline rush wore off, i see the weakness of the conclusion: how it jumps from a decision-bearing-fruit game to just...a sucker punch.

i liked the ending at the time, i now just don't see how i'll ever replay this.

I think it is a fitting ending.  I was gutted, but I am now over it and on my 3rd run already.  Talking to the squad at the end makes it hard, but I'll keep pushing through that.  

The ending is making it hard for me to want to write anything but depressing work now.  That is my mindset at the moment.

[ELE08]

sagequeen wrote...

Well, I'll say it again: I really liked the ending AT FIRST.

It was hard-hitting. It made me react, made me feel. I was expecting Shepard to go out in a blaze of glory and the ending was pretty epic.

but then, seriously, i lay awake thinking it over (and i tried the other endings, but stuck with the organic one - right hand option) and i'll say it again:

It works as the ending of a movie - a TV series even. BUT (and this is huge to me) it leaves me with NO desire to replay the games.

To me, it's not about being 'edgy' or realistic or whatever. and i'm really not trying to be a whiner or anything like that. on the one hand, i actually think it's a DAMN good ending in that it was emotional and got me to make a hard, brutal decision that cost me an entire race (the geth) and may have doomed us all (no mass relay) and possibly killed shepard. but i took that as 'survival on MY (organic) terms.'

however, after the adrenaline rush wore off, i see the weakness of the conclusion: how it jumps from a decision-bearing-fruit game to just...a sucker punch.

i liked the ending at the time, i now just don't see how i'll ever replay this.

I'm not going to say I liked it at first, but I did 'not hate it.'  Granted I was extremely tired at the time.  I think I was more puzzled than anything.  And I feel like a lot of people share this feeling, but it does not stand up to any sort of critical analysis.  The more you think about it, the less satisfying it becomes.

And possible plot holes aside.  This was my reaction.

Okay.  So the Reapers are defeated.  However, it's at the cost of everything we've come to know and care about in the Mass Effect universe.  The pay-off is the next cycle is free to develop and evolve free of the Reapers.  
This is a victory, if by victory we mean, we have addressed the Reaper issue.  Buuut.  And it's a huge but.  It's not emotionally satisfying, because who the heck cares about the 'next cycle' of civilization.  I just spent three games getting to know this one, and an entire game fixing the problems of this one, and it's the one I care about.

So, yeah.  Still a bit puzzled, put-off, intermittently bummed about the endings.

So far I've come to this conclusion: less thinking, more headcanoning <-- now a word.  Because trying to figure out or rationalize the whole mess is just kind of frustrating.

Modifié par ELE08, 13 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[Chignon]

What Ele said. Frustrating is the right word.

[sagefic]

My hubby just tweeted me this Escapist article. He's helping me get through this.

 

[ELE08]

 LOL @ sage.

I've looped back around to denial.  Or perhaps some form of apathy.  Can't tell.

[Shenzi]

My main problem with the endings is that they just didn’t make any logical sense and left me confused so according to that comic I think I’m in the bargaining stage and resorting to head canon while hoping for DLC to make things clearer and bring closure to Shepards story.

Modifié par Shenzi, 13 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[JamieCOTC]

Shenzi wrote...

My main problem with the endings is that they just didn’t make any logical sense and left me confused so according to that comic I think I’m in the bargaining stage and resorting to head canon while hoping for DLC to make things clearer and bring closure to Shepards story.

That's because they may not actually happen.  The prevailng theory is that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end and possibly throughout the whole game. If Shep chooses destroy and has enough EMS then she wakes up on the crumpled pavement where the beam hit and lives to fight another day.  As that is the hardest ending to get it seems logical, but it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Most people who subscribe to this theory believe there will be an "ending" DLC, but I don't think that will be the case. If this is the real reason for the endings, I still think they could have come up w/ a better way to do it, so I don't know.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 14 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[2leggywillow]

JamieCOTC wrote...
That's because they may not actually happen.  The prevailng theory is that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end and possibly throughout the whole game. If Shep chooses destroy and has enough EMS then she wakes up on the crumpled pavement where the beam hit and lives to fight another day.  As that is the hardest ending to get it seems logical, but it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Most people who subscribe to this theory believe there will be an "ending" DLC, but I don't think that will be the case. If this is the real reason for the endings, I still think they could have come up w/ a better way to do it, so I don't know.

This is my headcanon, but there's no way it will turn out to be what they intended.  Mass Effect has dealt with some deep and complex issues but always in a pretty accessible way.  It's not Metal Gear Solid or even Assassin's Creed.  It's never been about conspiracies and mindgames on the actual player.  It'd be a pretty intense genre shift in the last 5 minutes... though it is arguably a pretty extreme switch anyway, so... ::shrug::

Basically I'd LOVE for this to be the case, but I'm pretty sure we're stuck with headcanon.

[aimlessgun]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

My main problem with the endings is that they just didn’t make any logical sense and left me confused so according to that comic I think I’m in the bargaining stage and resorting to head canon while hoping for DLC to make things clearer and bring closure to Shepards story.

That's because they may not actually happen.  The prevailng theory is that Shepard is being indoctrinated at the end and possibly throughout the whole game. If Shep chooses destroy and has enough EMS then she wakes up on the crumpled pavement where the beam hit and lives to fight another day.  As that is the hardest ending to get it seems logical, but it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Most people who subscribe to this theory believe there will be an "ending" DLC, but I don't think that will be the case. If this is the real reason for the endings, I still think they could have come up w/ a better way to do it, so I don't know.

It's a fun discussion, and it's amusing how certain things are picked out and fit in, in the way that conspiracy theories tend to do, but to me it still seems like grasping at straws.

Would also be horribly insulting to a lot of people, including me, if Destroy was the "correct" decision because it 'resists the indoctrination'. As if the people who chose control or synthesis were somehow less determined to beat the reapers and end the cycle 

[aimlessgun]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
Eh, I wouldn't say less determined. If indoctrination were taking place, the Reaper is trying to trick Shepard by flipping the color scheme. Red is actually blue and vice versa, kind of like what Jaime was insinuating earlier with The Last Temptation of Christ comment. I love the indoctrination theory. Wish I came up with it myself, haha, but god does it give me hope.

What do red and blue have to do with anything though? I thought Shepard has no association with red or blue, it's only us, the player, that does.


And are we talking about the paragon/renegade associations? Is the theory implying that red/renegade = bad, and blue/paragon = good? 

Also if the reapers don't want you to pick 'destroy', why show the images of TIM and Anderson as they are? That's a clear signal to pick destroy if I ever saw one 

Modifié par aimlessgun, 14 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Aquarius]

This is my Paragade FemShep. I kept her looks since Mass Effect 1 and she's been faithful to Liara ever since:












Jennifer Hale rocks this trilogy!