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[SaturnRing]

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Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 02:28 .

[raziel1980]

Chignon wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

@QwibQwib

I'm angry and bitter. Nobody wants my company right now. XD

YEAH!  Now you understand why I am mucho pissed off.

I can only offer you my Kai Leng stabbitystabstab screenshot.

I think EVERYONE got that screenshot 





@SR... your pics are uploaded in the folder... and later I will post some of Alicia...

[SaturnRing]

Thanks Raziel, i saved the pics this morning. Awesome.

[raziel1980]

SaturnRing wrote...

Thanks Raziel, i saved the pics this morning. Awesome.

Your welcome... I was glad to help and play her through the 'prologue' portion of the game .

[SaturnRing]

That pic of her saluting is one of my fav. Can't wait to see some of Alicia.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 02:25 .

[CrazyRah]

"My pleasure stabbing him"

[SaturnRing]

This is my re-engineered Helen Shepard. She's an adept/vanguard/sentinel/engineer (don't know yet)...or may be all of those classes. I still need to set up a proper bio for her...

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  I'll be playing her until i can properly import my canon and even after...Thanks to Raziel for the awesome pics.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Tup3x]

I have to say that it did feel good to see Shepard stab Leng.

[nranola]

I envy your blood splatter.



About the only thing I feel bad for for stabbing Kai Leng is the fact that he's voiced by Troy Baker.

[ADLegend21]

it's funny I always kill Kai leng in game and leave a phantom. Shepard shoots at his corpse while the squadmates handle the spare phantom XD

[Ottemis]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I mean to say that the endings made sense to me, starchild made perfect sense to me, and I was not at the least conflicted about his role or what he was telling me.
That the ending I picked initially gave me  a great sense of peace, because I KNEW I made the choice best for the entire galaxy. That that choice transcended Shepard, her crew, LI etc, because it would 'fix' the fabric of the universe.

StarChild made perfect sense to me...from a Reaper perspective. I'm inclined to believe the Indoctrination Theory, simply because of how StarChild talks up the Blue and Green options, the ones where the Reapers get to live, while telling Shepard: "I know you've thought about destroying us." when referencing the Red option. The choice of words there seems like a slip-up on its part, since it called the Reapers: "My solution" a few lines before. And the way it refers to order and chaos sounds a lot like how Sovereign spoke of it. As sage pointed out, the Green option of synthesis is based on uniformity. Of forcing all life into a new framework...kinda like how the Reapers harvest civilizations.

And finally, I noticed that in the Blue and Green ending, Shepard staggers over to the stations and zaps herself/dives into the beam, at which point we see her with TIM eyes. But in the Red ending, after she fires the first rounds into the control, she seems to pick herself up and get her strength back. So in those last seconds, she's Commander Shepard again, not whatever the Reapers/StarChild prefers her to be.

On that level I'm fine with the ending, what I dislike is the lack of closure for the crewmates. Didn't really feel anything at the end with Stargazer, I wanted to see what Shepard bought with her life...(or not, depending on your EMS score).

snippic

femShep doesn't like.

I don't believe the indoctrination theory has any ground. Or rather, I see no evidence that points towards that, and/or I see no reason to think that's true. I also don't need it to be true, so that makes sense.

StarChild speaks of the reapers as 'us', to me this feels like he's talking about 'them' in therms of his side of the fence. Opposed to the chaos organics inflict upon the world. StarChild suggests it's a being so old, and so powerful it's beyond the Reapers, it created the Reapers. The Reapers were already revered as gods by some, and as such Starchild can be compared to a deity in therms of it's existence and scope being outside of our limited ability to comprehend.

I don't see him contradicting himself. Assuming he's telling the truth about who he is, you hardly can argue against his points either, because he bases them over thousands/millions of years of observation, while our perception is limited to our own lifespan, limited to THIS cycle for as far as it progressed.

As to him being wrong in therms of the war being inevitable.
Again, his perception on this is much broader then we can possibly conceive, and even though we apparently proved this point to Starchild ages ago, he still recognizes the need for change in light of the situation where we made it thus-far to confront him. He recognizes that his old solution is lacking.

I also think the green option has a poetic beauty to it that everyone seems to be missing? Green makes your SHEP the catalyst. Everything she is, her foundation is used and shared with everyone else to make that new 'DNA'. She is, as a result, in everyone. Everywhere.

In the past, we've seen this strive for perfection alot. That a harmonious joining of synthetics and organics is considered 'perfection'. In the words of StarChild, the last step of evolution.

The comparison that organics represent chaos while mechanics represent order has been made countless times, ME is not the first to do so. It makes sense coop of both, integration will bring the ability to balance that out, and give that to every individual. What do you see after you picked the green option? Joker and EDI still showing affection towards eachother, The groundforces being surprised at the docile reapers taking off. How does that support a theory that this option makes us all 'the same'. And why would we think that, when even PURE synthetics have managed to evolve up to a point where Shep recognises them as people, individuals.

We all know Shep has implants, I thought little of the cybernetics you see under her organic shell, seeing as we don't really know how much she was effectively augmented. (which makes surviving destroy possible in the end).
That functions on the premise she CAN survive without her implants, which implies there's enough of 'her' left in there to survive without it.

Synthesis wrecks her organic self, and she dies without it. Destroy wrecks her cybernetics, and she can live without them.

Seeing though, I posted this and you being the only one to constructively respond while nobody agrees with me, I don't expect to get much support in my views on the endings.

Modifié par Ottemis, 19 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[AtlasMickey]

 That whole 12-minute scene was brilliant. Every detail was right on the money, except apparently during the fight with Kai Leng, he would keep recharging his shields ad infinitum until you started taking out some of his guards. That was a bit awkward. It made my fight last longer than it should.
Anyway, here's the whole thing.


Complete with black widow love.

[SaturnRing]

CrazyRah wrote...




"My pleasure stabbing him"

She owns him right there. He learned the hard way that taking a cheap shot at an injured/sick Thane doesn't earn him a place in the pros' league.  

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Demonhoopa]

SaturnRing wrote...

This is my re-engineered Helen Shepard. She's an adept/vanguard/sentinel/engineer (don't know yet)...or may be all of those classes. I still need to set up a proper bio for her...

.

  I'll be playing her until i can properly import my canon and even after...Thanks to Raziel for the awesome pics.

Sweet. I like that hairstyle in this game. Her face looks like she'd be tough but fair. Also kind when it's called for.

Go for engineer. I'm currently playing an engineer for the first time in ME. I can't believe how beast that class is on ME3. Fiona is blazing a trail of utter destruction.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 19 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[Discrepancy]

Discrepancy wrote...

I've got a question! Could anyone post a link to how I can use the default femshep's textures in Gibbed for Mass Effect 3? I want to take some epic screenshots for a wallpaper!

Anyone? *bambi eyes*

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I mean to say that the endings made sense to me, starchild made perfect sense to me, and I was not at the least conflicted about his role or what he was telling me.
That the ending I picked initially gave me  a great sense of peace, because I KNEW I made the choice best for the entire galaxy. That that choice transcended Shepard, her crew, LI etc, because it would 'fix' the fabric of the universe.

StarChild made perfect sense to me...from a Reaper perspective. I'm inclined to believe the Indoctrination Theory, simply because of how StarChild talks up the Blue and Green options, the ones where the Reapers get to live, while telling Shepard: "I know you've thought about destroying us." when referencing the Red option. The choice of words there seems like a slip-up on its part, since it called the Reapers: "My solution" a few lines before. And the way it refers to order and chaos sounds a lot like how Sovereign spoke of it. As sage pointed out, the Green option of synthesis is based on uniformity. Of forcing all life into a new framework...kinda like how the Reapers harvest civilizations.

And finally, I noticed that in the Blue and Green ending, Shepard staggers over to the stations and zaps herself/dives into the beam, at which point we see her with TIM eyes. But in the Red ending, after she fires the first rounds into the control, she seems to pick herself up and get her strength back. So in those last seconds, she's Commander Shepard again, not whatever the Reapers/StarChild prefers her to be.

On that level I'm fine with the ending, what I dislike is the lack of closure for the crewmates. Didn't really feel anything at the end with Stargazer, I wanted to see what Shepard bought with her life...(or not, depending on your EMS score).

snippic

femShep doesn't like.

I don't believe the indoctrination theory has any ground. Or rather, I see no evidence that points towards that, and/or I see no reason to think that's true. I also don't need it to be true, so that makes sense.

StarChild speaks of the reapers as 'us', to me this feels like he's talking about 'them' in therms of his side of the fence. Opposed to the chaos organics inflict upon the world. StarChild suggests it's a being so old, and so powerful it's beyond the Reapers, it created the Reapers. The Reapers were already revered as gods by some, and as such Starchild can be compared to a deity in therms of it's existence and scope being outside of our limited ability to comprehend.

I don't see him contradicting himself. Assuming he's telling the truth about who he is, you hardly can argue against his points either, because he bases them over thousands/millions of years of observation, while our perception is limited to our own lifespan, limited to THIS cycle for as far as it progressed.

As to him being wrong in therms of the war being inevitable.
Again, his perception on this is much broader then we can possibly conceive, and even though we apparently proved this point to Starchild ages ago, he still recognizes the need for change in light of the situation where we made it thus-far to confront him. He recognizes that his old solution is lacking.

I also think the green option has a poetic beauty to it that everyone seems to be missing? Green makes your SHEP the catalyst. Everything she is, her foundation is used and shared with everyone else to make that new 'DNA'. She is, as a result, in everyone. Everywhere.

In the past, we've seen this strive for perfection alot. That a harmonious joining of synthetics and organics is considered 'perfection'. In the words of StarChild, the last step of evolution.

The comparison that organics represent chaos while mechanics represent order has been made countless times, ME is not the first to do so. It makes sense coop of both, integration will bring the ability to balance that out, and give that to every individual. What do you see after you picked the green option? Joker and EDI still showing affection towards eachother, The groundforces being surprised at the docile reapers taking off. How does that support a theory that this option makes us all 'the same'. And why would we think that, when even PURE synthetics have managed to evolve up to a point where Shep recognises them as people, individuals.

We all know Shep has implants, I thought little of the cybernetics you see under her organic shell, seeing as we don't really know how much she was effectively augmented. (which makes surviving destroy possible in the end).
That functions on the premise she CAN survive without her implants, which implies there's enough of 'her' left in there to survive without it.

Synthesis wrecks her organic self, and she dies without it. Destroy wrecks her cybernetics, and she can live without them.

Seeing though, I posted this and you being the only one to constructively respond while nobody agrees with me, I don't expect to get much support in my views on the endings.

I still find his logic really weird. "We kill you now because eventually your own synthetics might kill your in the future."

I don't really buy the indoctrination theory. I just think that the last ten minutes or so make no sense at all in any way. No matter how much I try to understand it it still makes no sense at all to me.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 19 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[SaturnRing]

Demonhoopa wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

This is my re-engineered Helen Shepard. She's an adept/vanguard/sentinel/engineer (don't know yet)...or may be all of those classes. I still need to set up a proper bio for her...

.

  I'll be playing her until i can properly import my canon and even after...Thanks to Raziel for the awesome pics.

Sweet. I like that hairstyle in this game. Her face looks like she'd be tough but fair. Also kind when it's called for.

Go for engineer. I'm currently playing an engineer for the first time in ME. I can't believe how beast that class is on ME3. Fiona is blazing a trail of utter destruction.

Thanks a lot. Glad you like her. I was going for a realistic femshep. Took some time to put her together but i'm very satisfied with the result. I will definitely try engineer class; that's my favorite in mp along with sentinel. Nice to hear that Fiona, your engineer, is getting things done big time.

[Ottemis]

Discrepancy wrote...

Discrepancy wrote...

I've got a question! Could anyone post a link to how I can use the default femshep's textures in Gibbed for Mass Effect 3? I want to take some epic screenshots for a wallpaper!

Anyone? *bambi eyes*

Try this

Modifié par Ottemis, 19 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[SaturnRing]

Tup3xi wrote...

I still find his logic really weird. "We kill you now because eventually your own synthetics might kill your in the future."

.

It's interesting how Starchild himself came to the conclusion that his view of the universe and his means for solving its chaos are flawed. It's hard to imagine that in all his wisdom he didn't see the universe coming together to fight the reapers. So much for creating a universe that you know essentially nothing about.
Maybe it's time for him to stop offering solutions...and let somebody else deal with it.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Ottemis]

Tup3xi wrote...
I still find his logic really weird. "We kill you now because eventually your own synthetics might kill your in the future."

I don't really buy the indoctrination theory. I just think that the last ten minutes or so make no sense at all in any way. No matter how much I try to understand it it still makes no sense at all to me.

If you decide to believe StarChild, then it's 'easy'. I personally found no reason to disbelieve.
It comes down to acceptance because you can handly argue against someone stating "it's been this way for millions of years, because it was consistently happening".
Ofc putting this into a 50k year cycle purge will mean that in one cycle the progression towards this 'state of chaos' StarChild referrs to, is going to differ. We can't make a realistic assessment towards this being true or not, because we lack the perspective to judge something of this scope/magnitude. It's, by definition, something that is beyond our comprehension, because it hints towards an endlessness and repetition, and powers in the universe that are not for us to understand.

If there's one thing, and I've said this before, that Mass Effect does very well, it's to emphasize and force us to constantly assess our own insignificance in the large sceme of things. We humans are one of many, and our perception is limited to our own scale of existence.

SaturnRing wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

I still find his logic really weird. "We kill you now because eventually your own synthetics might kill your in the future."

It's interesting how Starchild himself came to the conclusion that his view of the universe and his means for solving its chaos are flawed. It's hard to imagine that in all his wisdom he didn't see the universe coming
together to fight the reapers. So much for creating a universe that you know essentially nothing about.
Maybe it's time for him to stop offering solutions...and let somebody else deal with it.

We are one to readily claim Organic life deserves a chance to prove it can rise above a pattern of spiralling destruction, so when we do after tons of failure, StarChild HAS to adapt. This is all founded on the principle of this/us being fluent, and based on the belief that we CAN infact be the exeption that breaks this chain of events.

Modifié par Ottemis, 19 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Silver]

@Ottemis
I respect your opinion of the endings, I just don't agree with them.
For me the endings leave too many questions unanswered, and I chose the Destroy Ending simply because I was too stubborn to let go of Talia and because I can then spin the story forward in my head, since she is still alive.

I would have been okay with an ending were Earth, Palaven, Thessia & Sur'Kesh are razed and will take decades to rebuild or something along those lines, but the destruction of almost everything was in my opinion a cheap move to reboot the franchise.
Also, Starchild's opinion on how to solve the struggle between AI and Organics was made invalid the moment the Geth & Quarians stopped shooting at each other.

Again, nothing personal or anything just my opinion.

EDIT: If anything I said here was already mentioned by you at some point, then disregard this post please, I just woke up... maybe I shouldn't get into discussions so early after wiping the sleep from my eyes.

Modifié par silverhammer08, 19 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Ottemis]

silverhammer08 wrote...
*snip*
Also, Starchild's opinion on how to solve the struggle between AI and Organics was made invalid the moment the Geth & Quarians stopped shooting at each other.

See.. no. First off, they stopped shooting at eachother NOW. You have no idea what will happen in the future.
Having said that, StarChild recognises, allthough not for this reason, that his solution will not work anymore, so this argumentation point is moot anyways.

[SaturnRing]

Ottemis wrote...

We are one to readily claim Organic life deserves a chance to prove it can rise above a pattern of spiralling destruction, so when we do after tons of failure, StarChild HAS to adapt. This is all founded on the principle of this/us being fluent, and based on the belief that we CAN infact be the exeption that breaks this chain of events.

It was never starchild intention to give the universe a chance to prove that it could brake the cycle. Shepard made it possible by defeating Saren.
Starchild destroyed all the past civilization based on the ASSUMPTION that they wouldn't be able to avoid chaos.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Silver]

@Ottemis
True, it remains to be seen if the peace between the Geth and their creators will be a permanent one, but I see no reason why it shouldn't. In this way I guess i'm a hopeless optimist, and clearly influenced by entities such as Data from Star Trek or Rommie from the series Andromeda.

Modifié par silverhammer08, 19 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Ottemis]

SaturnRing wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
We are one to readily claim Organic life deserves a chance to prove it can rise above a pattern of spiralling destruction, so when we do after tons of failure, StarChild HAS to adapt. This is all founded on the principle of this/us being fluent, and based on the belief that we CAN infact be the exeption that breaks this chain of events.

It was never starchild intention to give the universe a chance to prove that it could brake the cycle. Shepard made it possible by defeating Saren.
Starchild destroyed all the past civilization based on the ASSUMPTION that they wouldn't be able to avoid chaos.

If the catalist is the citadel, and the citadel was 'build by reapers' and the reaper were 'built by starchild' who do you think made this all possible to begin with. They are vague about the origin of the crucible plans.

How far of a stretch is this? No more or less than your assertion I'd say. It all depends on your perspective.

silverhammer08 wrote...

@Ottemis
True, it remains to be seen if the peace between the Geth and their creators will be a permanent one, but I see no reason why it shouldn't. In this way I guess i'm a hopeless optimist, and clearly influenced by entities such as
Data from Star Trek or Rommie from the series Andromeda.

If you believe who StarChild claims to be, you can hardly argue against his observations over your own.
If you don't believe he is who he claims to be, then arguing against him is pointless as the premise then is to not trust him, period.

Modifié par Ottemis, 19 mars 2012 - 04:03 .