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[sagefic]

I found (as usual) Kaidan says less when more chatty party members are with you. James talks a LOT. That man has an opinion about everything. It's great characterization, but it meant if I brought him along, Kaidan usually said nothing. Kaidan and Garrus means Kaidan talks a little more. Kaidan and Liara or Tali and Kaidan opens up a bunch more.

I guess it's just sort of a game metric of what dialog gets top billing, but it also seems to fit Kaidan. Just content to sit back and let James run off at the mouth, but if anyone is willing to listen, he has something to say, too.

edit: top shep. here's to hoping this is where a DLC picks up...



"I'm back and I'm PISSED!"

Modifié par sagequeen, 19 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[MizzNaaa]

Ottemis wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

@Jayce F : At the expense? I don't follow, that is exactly what you're doing. Our interpretations of the three options differ. Your arguments are interesting btw, I just don't quite agree with your conclusions.

Asking what the point of it all is, is valid enough but then that's a kind of fatalism that can be expanded towards asking what the point of life is altogether. That line of thinking, while valid enough, also completely breaks the significance of anything. Not just this, specifically.

Likewise, you've made some great points, Ottemis.

But to address your reply. Ultimately the Catalyst is deciding the galaxy's fate for it. If that is not fatalistic, I don't what is...

Where something is nihilistic for the individual or civlization due to sheer progression of time (see: Ozymandias) this doesn't hold true to life.

The Catalyst is not merely answering "42". He's deleting the data.

Heh, you know what I've always said (no offence to believers): If there is a God, he's a sadistic sob.
Creating free will and allowing evolution but then restricting that growth when it doesn't follow your design, yeah.. not the best thing ever. Still, free will is there to decide right from wrong, if we're consistently doing something wrong, is the reprocussion right? I would say so, that's exactly how WE judge ourselves/eachother. We also allow for the option of redemption, of proving the rule wrong through exeption. So we now get to rewrite the rule.

But then maybe our creation, as we are, is the gift in the end as well. Because our actions obviously do matter towards Starchild's decissions as to a course of action. First in creation of the Reapers and second in letting us take part in deciding the new order of things.

I get you're in a way rebelling against the rule being there in the first place.
But wether or not you think StarChild is a sadistic sob, we can't do anything about that.

ps: bar campaigning for them adding an option where you can give starchild the finger heh.

I really like the points you guys make. I've never actually had time to look at the ending like that cause I was too busy hissing my head off at StarChild 

I have to say though, I'm still holding out for hope that we get an option to give Starbaby the finger:whistle:

[MizzNaaa]

Demonhoopa wrote...

R.I.P.
Rhynne Shepard







You will be missed.

:crying::crying:
*huggles Demohoppa*
This broke my heart, big time. :crying:

[CrazyRah]

I see there's an interesting discussion about the endings. I've thought the endings through so many times that i've settled with the opinion that the endings're terrible and that the star-kid deserves a boot to the face and a bullet in the head. I find the logic flawed hence the hilarious motivational that float around the BSN and the internet


"I'm not dead yet and i don't frickin plan to die just yet"

Modifié par CrazyRah, 19 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[meonlyred]

I can't stand a lot of things about the ending and the Starchild's logic isn't what is on the top of my list. Though why the god figure that controls the Reapers would give this random human the choice to undo what he has administered for eons seems far fetched. But okay I'll go with it. His circuital logic about making synthetics to kill organics to keep synthetics from wiping out all life instead of half of it, can make sense in a way. I'm sure the race that the Starchild belong to thought it was their best option, but it is arrogant for them in their time to believe every single cycle after them would end the same way. If synthetics completely destroy all life, from the advance to the birds and the bees then they are right. But they set this plan in motion before they had the insight of eons.

The Geth have already proved to be the contrary. When the Quarians left Rannoch, the Geth did not turn it into a machine paradise, destroying all life on the planet. Hell they didn't even live on Rannoch, Legion tells you this much in ME2. He tells Shepard that the Geth have been acting as groundskeepers for Rannoch, making sure it flourished. For the Starchild's people to start this cycle robs all races that come after them the freedom to try and fail on their own is unfair.

Here is an anology, I'm eating steak with a steak knife and someone takes that steak knife away from me because I might cut myself. Sure, its very possible that I might, especially if I'm being risky with it. Something with AI, if organic are risky with AI, than yes there is a very good chance that they will destroy all life. But that is exactly one of the themes of the ME series. AI have always been a problem in the storyline and Shepard is there to guide organics and AI to either war against each other or to make peace. 

On Rannoch when Shepard talks the Quarians down from attacking the Geth when Legion was uploading the Reaper code, I felt proud. I felt like I had done something good. I felt like what Shepard had been doing, the actions she had been taking mattered. I could feel the weight of excellant story telling. However, the ending completely undoes that. It striped down that beautiful moment into a War Asset number that doesn't matter in the end. I could have easy said **** it, killed the Geth or the Quarians and played a couple hours of MP to get my numbers back up. When story elements mean nothing in the end I call BS. Shepard can't point to the Geth fighting along side the people they have been at war with for 300 years and say "Look! We are working together. We are not making the same mistake your people did." Yes, in the years to come there will probably be another war with synthetics as there will be war with organics vs organics. Conflict is natural, it will happen over and over again, you don't need synthetics for that to happen. But killing everyone because you don't think they will be able to get along is wrong.

However, I can actually let that all slide. I can accept the Starchild's logic. My problems begins with Shepard's lack of strength at that point. What happened to Commander Shepard? She completely accepts Starchild's arguement, right or wrong. At any other point in any of the games Shepard can disagree/agree or follow/rebel with pretty much everyone. Sometimes Shepard's logic doesn't make sense but that is the point. You can kill the rachni, you can save the rachni, you can rewrite the Geth, you can distroy the Geth. Right or wrong, sense or none, good or ill Shepard has choice. You can choice to make the wrong decision based on role playing of your Shepard.

Let's say for a moment that the Starchild is completely right and these choices are the only options you have to stop the Reapers. Say everything is at face value and that there are no hidden meanings or manipulations going on at this point. Why can't Shepard be wrong and say "To hell with you, you control the Reapers, you can turn them off. Do it." What happened to the Silver Tongue Siren that can charm Krogan, persuade truians, and captivate her people? What happened to the woman who talked Saren into shoting himself so that she could stop Sovereign. She apparently died sitting there next to Anderson because the woman who went up in that beam of light isn't Commander Goddamn Shepard, the woman who head butts krogan, punches Yahgs in the face, and controls armies with her word. She is replaces by someone who nods her head, says okay, and meanders toward horrible, depressing ending A, B, or C.

Putting that aside too, even if you 'save' Earth with the best possible ending with max War Assest, Earth is still boned. This takes place a little less than 200 years from now. Right now we are trying to find alternatives for fuels and other resources. Thane talks about his planet and that thankfully us humans were able to get off our planet before it became a major problem. Now we are struck back on Earth with a little less than twice the population we have now even if the Reapers kill a billion people. Add if you cured the Genophage then Earth faces over population of krogan. Add Rachni in there too if you saved them. The Truians and Quarian might not starve if the Quarians brought their Liveships with them. But how many of them were destroyed in the fight?

This is also assuming that when the Charon relay that orbits pluto doesn't destroy the Sol system even thought the lore clearly states over and over again that it should.

But what the icling on the cake is the crew, why in god's name would I want that fate for them?! Here is the thing, assuming that they are forever trapped on that planet. They might survive three, maybe four generations but they will all die out eventually. To maintain a poplulation you have to have 10,000 people at least. This takening in deaths before procreation. The Normandy who's only crew is those who just happen to be aboard at the time the Reapers attacked Earth is maybe 20.

You can look at the success and failure of the orginial American colonies to jugde where this is going. And those people arrive at least semi prepared. The Normandy crew has no supplies other than war time equipment. Those on board are soldier and scientist at best. If I can go ask some random person on the street where eggs come from and they tell me 'the grocery store,' I have little hope for them. This not mentioning the crew who have medicial problems Joker for one has Vrolik syndrome and even if you pick the Synthesis ending you still see Joker limping as he get out of the Normandy. Without the advanced medicial attention of their time he will die. Kaidan will also be in poor health due to his L2 implants with out the aid of pain medication. (If he is alive in your game, of course) This is all counting that no one died in the crash landing. And assuming that everyone magicially made it back to the Normandy when they all turned coward and abandon Shepard in her moment of need.

Aside from the plot holes that make swiss cheese look solid this ending is so bleak and dark. The implications of what happens to the characters we have loved since ME1 is heartbreaking. I rather have the scene to have went black and Shepard waking up on the Normandy after Eden Prime implying that the events of ME1, 2, and 3 were all dreams.

[SaturnRing]

raziel1980 wrote...

Awesome and ready. Looks like Kai Leng is getting stabbed again.

[CrazyRah]

meonlyred wrote...
-Holy fickin chessus awesome text of epic and awesomness-

As i said on mumble, REALLY well written text and you pretty much point out everything i personally think and in a bigger and more awesome post than i would write myself. If only Bioware actually took a look at the ending like this. Awesomely done Red!


"You deserve the Shepard medal of approval!"

[Demonhoopa]

raziel1980 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Thanks Saturn. With the exception of Rhynne and Hope (my half Japanese former canon), most of my sheps don't come out with the character (is that the right word) that yours, Tup's and some other people on this thread do. Most of mine come out too pretty and barbie doll-ish. This is probably rooted in my affliction of being a straight male.

I'm getting help and seeking treatment.

I think it's just subjective. She's pretty; can't hold that agaisnt her. And she knows how to shoot. what's not to like!

This.

Seconded as well...

Well.. I guess will post a couple of Alicia Shepard...though I still have more pics of her to upload.

See what I mean? Another Femshep with total character.......grit if you will.

This thread is so fun for me.

[nranola]

Demonhoopa wrote...

After getting dismissed, Fiona went out and "got her hair did". 

CUTE!! <3 I like the way the hair frames her face. Looks adorable!

[Gilsa]

Demonhoopa wrote...

See what I mean? Another Femshep with total character.......grit if you will.

This thread is so fun for me.

I agree. I see screenshots and artistic interpretations that would have never occured to me with my own character.

[Lianna sFfalenn]

sagequeen wrote...

edit: top shep. here's to hoping this is where a DLC picks up...



"I'm back and I'm PISSED!"

Amen.

meonlyred wrote...
- a wall of win -

Perfectly articulated. I agree with every word you wrote.

[Lady Jess]

Still only have Vetta, and well she brooks no sass from Krogan, Turian Primarchs, or Salarian dalatrasses apparently.



"EDI, call these guys on the bull**** for me, I need some air..."

[SaturnRing]

Back off TIM. You don't want a piece of this!

[raziel1980]

Demonhoopa wrote...

raziel1980 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Thanks Saturn. With the exception of Rhynne and Hope (my half Japanese former canon), most of my sheps don't come out with the character (is that the right word) that yours, Tup's and some other people on this thread do. Most of mine come out too pretty and barbie doll-ish. This is probably rooted in my affliction of being a straight male.

I'm getting help and seeking treatment.

I think it's just subjective. She's pretty; can't hold that agaisnt her. And she knows how to shoot. what's not to like!

This.

Seconded as well...

Well.. I guess will post a couple of Alicia Shepard...though I still have more pics of her to upload.




[snip Alicia pic...]

See what I mean? Another Femshep with total character.......grit if you will.

This thread is so fun for me.

Thanks you 2...well, she is my original femshep...so i guess her 'grit' or your character if you will comes from having been through the entire series.

@SR...Yes, he is and she will enjoy it more than any other of my femsheps...as he(Thane) is her LI...and yeah, I'm just gonna stop there before I go apesh*t about that whole ordeal with ME 3.

Anyways...Alicia in ME 2...

Modifié par raziel1980, 19 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[MizzNaaa]

meonlyred wrote...

Wall'o'text people...

This, and this...and a little bit of this on top wrapped in this.

[sagefic]

 Hmm... Can't seem to write fanfic, but I can philosophize over the endings and why it's bothering me like a mother...um.... mother with too much time to muse about this.

another blog post. about broken legos and a broken gamer heart .

Modifié par sagequeen, 19 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[mccool78]

More Renegade Femshep, now with about 90 % renegade. well, doesn't look different to 50-60 %, so this is probably the final stage.
Sometimes good things come out when being renegade: Fooled that stupid krogan Wreav, got Salarian support and Mordin lives (needs a bit persuasion powers)! Now he is working on the crucible.



Liara, aim at someone else!


"The concilor's in there, surrounded by Cerberus?  Who put together that security detail?"

"That remains to be seen."

[CrazyRah]

sagequeen wrote...

 Hmm... Can't seem to write fanfic, but I can philosophize over the endings and why it's bothering me like a mother...um.... mother with too much time to muse about this.

another blog post. about broken legos and a broken gamer heart .

Aww that was a really good read and it gave me a good flashbacks to when i was that age (Not to long ago actually) and yeah for me it feels quite the same. I trusted BioWare and in the end they came and ruined my story (lego buildings). I feel so very much more cynical right now than usual. This tweet i stumbled upon a few days ago and i feel it's quite true.

[AtlasMickey]

Ottemis wrote...

@SaturnRing: I'm not making a case for you, you're not reading it right.
What I said was, it's not inconceivable to think StarChild offered us with the opportunity to create the crucible from the beginning.
Ofc we still made it happen in the end, but that we had that option could very well be StarChild's doing and intention. Nothing suggests that he is not willing to re-assess based on new variables. That's the whole premiss the ending is based off.

The Catalyst says the Crucible gave him new possibilities, meaning these options were not possible for him before the Crucible was built, and even then he can't do the Synthesis ending on his own. "We need each other," he says.

[Verly]

Octavia's renegade scarring is back. I have put her in many different armor choices, but I think she looks bad ass in the reckoner knight armor. It does give a bonus to melee and she is a vanguard

[mccool78]

And the rest of it:



Damn that bastard Leng has a shield!

Garrus: "If it had come down to it, could you have pulled the trigger?"

Couldn't shoot Kaidan. Shep needs someone to snap at.


Joker doesn't want my Shep!

[raziel1980]

Verly wrote...

Octavia's renegade scarring is back. I have put her in many different armor choices, but I think she looks bad ass in the reckoner knight armor. It does give a bonus to melee and she is a vanguard
[snip Octavia]

DAYUM... she looks BADASS and awesome as ever and always! 

[Gilsa]

@Verly -- Awesome! How did you get the scarring back? Mod or just natural progression of renegade choices? (I cured my scars in ME2 so I assume it was permanent for ME3 since I never saw hints of it returning with my renegade choices.)

@mccool -- Thanks for sharing screenshots of default Shepard. I love seeing her progression in the game, especially with the scars.

Screenshot of one of the scenes that tickled me -- giving out orders! =D

Modifié par Gilsa, 19 mars 2012 - 07:57 .