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[meonlyred]

Tup3xi wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

- Wall of win -

I so agree. Synthesis is massive betrayal in my book. It's exactly what Saren wanted and everything you are fighting against. After that you weren't human any more. You are an abomination.

This pretty much sums up how I feel abou the 'choices.'

[SaturnRing]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Totally agree.

Unfortunately, my in game decisions usually have little to do with me. The Character usually dictates the move (this is painful sometimes, like watching helplessly as Rhynne executed a couple of beloved Mass Effect characters. That sucked).

I have a feeling "Sam" is just enough of a b*tch to try Synthesis. I'll hold off playing her as long as possible.

My Jane is an altruist; she'll pick synthesis. My canon Deirdre is more practical and will choose destroy everytime.

[TheMarshal]

Just saw this regarding the endings on youtube and thought I'd share:

He talks about what the "original" intention for the series was going to be (not sure if it's speculation or not) and what most of us would have wanted to see as an ending to the series.

[Chignon]

ME3 Femshep - Renegade remix

[KateM]

SaturnRing wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Totally agree.

Unfortunately, my in game decisions usually have little to do with me. The Character usually dictates the move (this is painful sometimes, like watching helplessly as Rhynne executed a couple of beloved Mass Effect characters. That sucked).

I have a feeling "Sam" is just enough of a b*tch to try Synthesis. I'll hold off playing her as long as possible.

My Jane is an altruist; she'll pick synthesis. My canon Deirdre is more practical and will choose destroy everytime.

I'm sorry but how do altruism and synthesis fit together?

[SaturnRing]

Saving as many as possible regardless of wether they're synthetic or organic.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[Demonhoopa]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

I'm not going to go turning everyone into part-robots against their wishes. Despite the implication that EDI, Shepard, and the Geth are killed, Destroy is the only ending that truly ENDS the cycle, which is our stated end-goal all along. And since Shepard is alive at the end, I'd take the EDI/Geth thing as possible lies from the Catalyst, too.

I will agree that the Merge ending is full of symbolism and far-reaching questions on the nature of life, technological singularity, and such, but there was no precedent for it in the series, and it comes out of left field at the final hour. That's too far-fetched for me to base anything on, and the fact that a REAPER CONSTRUCT tells you to do it, well, that sets off every warning bell I know of.

Totally agree.

Unfortunately, my in game decisions usually have little to do with me. The Character usually dictates the move (this is painful for me sometimes. Watching helplessly as Rhynne executed a couple of beloved Mass Effect characters sucked).

I have a feeling "Sam" is just enough of a b*tch to try Synthesis. I'll hold off playing her as long as possible.

Okay, my Femshep's name is Sam and I just totally freaked out for a second.  

I do agree that the character often (basically always) determines the outcome of the game in ME, but there are certain choices I cannot reconcile with the series, regardless of character.  Like Wrex.  I got to Tuchanka in a defaultFemShep playthrough on Xbox and couldn't go any farther.  Wreav is no Wrex.  SImilarly, I cannot imagine any of my Shepards, future or past, choosing anything but destroy.  They came this far, and anything else seems like a betrayal of everything leading up to it.

@Sage and Chignon, thanks.  Although my little post is nothing compared to Red's massive wall of win.

Don't mind me. I have eleven Femsheps so every possible scenario is covered. Sam is the only one I have that would consider it (I think). Especially with impaired judgement brought on by stress, a fricken insufferable little Starchild and....well......bleeding out on the roof of the Citadel.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 19 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[AtlasMickey]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I'm not going to go turning everyone into part-robots against their wishes.

Who says anyone's will is going to be violated? Moreover, even if Synthesis were forced on people, what is to stop a Synthesized person from returning to organic form? That is perfectly within their power. 

Despite the implication that EDI, Shepard, and the Geth are killed, Destroy is the only ending that truly ENDS the cycle,

Not true. The Catalyst even says, correctly, that future generations will create synthetic life again, potentially leading to another conflict and a new Reaper race. Shepard remains rightly skeptical that conflict is inevitable, but it took her leadership to resolve the conflict with the Geth and protect EDI's self-determination. Can she be sure there will be another individual like her?

 And since Shepard is alive at the end, I'd take the EDI/Geth thing as possible lies from the Catalyst, too.

The Catalyst never says Shepard will die if she chooses Destroy. He only reminds her that she is partly synthetic. So it only makes sense that with a higher preparedness she could potentially survive. No so with EDI and the Geth. 

I will agree that the Merge ending is full of symbolism and far-reaching questions on the nature of life, technological singularity, and such, but there was no precedent for it in the series,

It was preceded by its absence. I grant your point to some extent, but the reason there can't be precedent for it is because it really is the final evolution of biological life. If there was precedent, the story would already be over. 

the fact that a REAPER CONSTRUCT tells you to do it, well, that sets off every warning bell I know of.

One again, Synthesis was manifestly not the Catalyst's idea. He offers it as a new possibility offered by the Crucible, which he did not build. The Crucible and potential for Synthesis was brought by a highly prepared intergalactic alliance spanning eons. That fact, and the Catalyst saying we needed each other to make it work, was my clue it was the only right decision.

There is no idication that anyone's will is violated through Synthesis.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 19 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[KateM]

SaturnRing wrote...


Saving as many as possible regardless of wether they're synthetic or organic.

Well, I think that synthesis is the most selfish of all the choices. Shepard decides for all species that they have to live as hybrids. They don't even know about it and are not asked if they want to live that way. 

[ADLegend21]

can we not pick apart posts please? it's unneccesary and takes up space when you can qrite a short paragraph adressing what you need to address. also tone down the intesity a bit. honestly this thread should be more entered to individual SHepard's going through the endings not solely about how good or bad we think the endings are. DON'T MAKE ME TURN THIS THREAD AROUND!

[adneate]

AtlasMickey wrote...
Moreover, even if Synthesis were forced on people, what is to stop a Synthesized person from returning to organic form? That is perfectly within their power. 

Based on what. The fact that the Synth ending requires such an unbelieveable amount of bull**** just to function that anything might happen? Now they can go back after being merged with synthetic DNA (or RNA as Professor Farnsworth points out) what else can they do? Turn their eyes on and off? Fly around in the vaccuum of space? Leap tall buildings in a single bound?

[Tup3x]

Also what really bothers me about the control choice is this: TIM wanted it yet he was completelly indoctrinated. How could he be right? He was doing what the Reapers wanted him to do. Controlling the Reapers is a lie.

I didn't have to think twice about what to pick. Destroy was the only option in my case.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yeah I chose destroy as well.

While it might bite for AI/Geth...stuff like that can be rebuilt again.

Might be harsh, but what has once been built, can be done again.

[SaturnRing]

krayzi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...


Saving as many as possible regardless of wether they're synthetic or organic.

Well, I think that synthesis is the most selfish of all the choices. Shepard decides for all species that they have to live as hybrids. They don't even know about it and are not asked if they want to live that way. 

 i had to make a choice i made one. period . you don't have to agree with it . Besides that's not my canon choice...

[double02]

All three choices in the end are contradictions to my beliefs. Assuming that the endings are true. It makes the choice that much more difficult.

Control - I am against this idea, and have been consistent throughout the story, in which I opposed TIM's idea to control the Reapers.

Synthesis - I've been fighting to end the cycle, so that all species, including synthetics, can live freely as they are.

Destroy - Has been my(our) end-goal all along, until it presented the situation in which I would have to sacrifice the synthetics. The Geth, EDI, which I worked hard to save and let peace between them and us(organics), run its course.

So in the end, I found myself very conflicted. Which resulted in the decision being very difficult to make. All the speculation about the catalyst/indoctrination make for some good theories, but that's all they are until proven otherwise. The cycle is ended with either of the three choices you decide on, to be fair, assuming that they all play out truthfully. Reapers are no longer a threat. That's not to say that something abrupt won't happen in the future, but beyond the game's ending is all speculation on our parts.

I thought this thread was about femshep?

Modifié par double02, 19 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[KateM]

SaturnRing wrote...

krayzi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...


Saving as many as possible regardless of wether they're synthetic or organic.

Well, I think that synthesis is the most selfish of all the choices. Shepard decides for all species that they have to live as hybrids. They don't even know about it and are not asked if they want to live that way. 

 i had to make a choice i made one. period . you don't have to agree with it . Besides that's not my canon choice...

I'm not judging you (or your Shep). I just wondered how you think that these fit together

[Lady Jess]

Garrus agrees about the gun thing...

[AtlasMickey]

adneate wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Moreover, even if Synthesis were forced on people, what is to stop a Synthesized person from returning to organic form? That is perfectly within their power. 

...

what else can they do? Turn their eyes on and off? Fly around in the vaccuum of space? Leap tall buildings in a single bound?

Yes, among other things we can't imagine. We're really in no position to know what they decide to do with their day-to-day lives once they have that much power and creativity.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 19 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[ELE08]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I'm not going to go turning everyone into part-robots against their wishes.

Atlas Mickey wrote...
Who says anyone's will is going to be violated? Moreover, even if Synthesis were forced on people, what is to stop a Synthesized person from returning to organic form? That is perfectly within their power. 

I doubt every sentient being in the known galaxy wants to be turned into some kind of organic-machine hybrid. It goes against logic. Hell, my Shepard wouldn't want this for herself, so there's one.

And in response, I guess the same space voodoo that changed them in the 1st place? Except this was forced on them by Shepard. How exactly are they going to reverse it since it was the work of the catalyst? And who's to say once changed, individuals are even the same thinking feeling individuals they were before? Maybe their former being is so altered they don't want to go back, even if their former self would have. You know about as well as I do, which is to say, not at all, because Bioware didn't bother to explain anything. It's all left up to assumptions.

All I know is, it doesn't sit well with me.

Modifié par ELE08, 19 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[Demonhoopa]

Lady Jess wrote...

Garrus agrees about the gun thing...

Oh lord. LOL. I was just "letting it go" and now I see this. Please Bioware, if it is at all possible, fix this.

[aimlessgun]

sagequeen wrote...
Sadly, I think the endings are divisive at this point, since the outcome is unclear.

Yup, so much left to interpretation. Especially control. Basically, if you didn't choose control, it's because you assume it won't work. But if control works, it is by far the best option, and it isn't even close. But with the unclear outcomes we can't really say one way or the other, I suppose. 

Case in point

Tup3xi wrote...

Also what really bothers me about the control choice is this: TIM wanted it yet he was completelly indoctrinated. How could he be right? He was doing what the Reapers wanted him to do. Controlling the Reapers is a lie.

 

On the other side of the coin, if you accept anything the star child says, you have to accept all of it. So if you accept that shooting your own superweapon destroys the reapers, then you also have to accept that grabbing some electrodes controls the reapers. You can't say the electrodes are a lie, but shooting this propane tank is the truth 

[CrazyRah]

"ah all these talks, i wonder if Garrus is up for a beer"

[SaturnRing]

krayzi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

krayzi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...


Saving as many as possible regardless of wether they're synthetic or organic.

Well, I think that synthesis is the most selfish of all the choices. Shepard decides for all species that they have to live as hybrids. They don't even know about it and are not asked if they want to live that way. 

 i had to make a choice i made one. period . you don't have to agree with it . Besides that's not my canon choice...

I'm not judging you (or your Shep). I just wondered how you think that these fit together

If i do the math more species are saved by synthesis or control. i don't agree with any of those choices but synthesis fit my Jane character better with the prospect of a permanent end to the conflict. Destroy in the other hand fits my canon better( and myself). Or control in the worse case scenario.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 19 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[KyreneZA]

Now, since this post will not be accompanied by any pictures, it may get lost in the picspam noise. However, as I appreciate the opinions of the folks here more than over in BSN general, I'll say my say here...

Anyway, it's after 1am, so it's been about 48 hours since I finished the game. And I still don't really get it. Now, I've watched my fair share of artsy/art movies in the past and read a fair bit of intellectual books. So either the endings are so f*cken deep that they're beyond my (tested) genius IQ, or so bad that nobody gets it, and those that claim they do are full of BS. Considering that the cake is a lie for a number of reasons in ME3, I'll ascribe to the latter assertion.

Don't get me wrong, I got my money's worth already. 46 hours for one playthrough and that's without the Prothy DLC. That's good going there, BioWare. But then some talentless hack/s cobbled together the last 5-10 minutes. And I'm not even saying that as a "Waaah, waah, want good ending DLC" so-called forum whiner either. I wanted (hell I still want) my Sheps to die in the end. Just not in any way presented by the whatever-child-hologram-thingy.

And it's also not a lack of closure I need. I found the Normandy crash to be very uplifting (all three versions), but by all the gods, godesses and little godlings, where's the logic? Where's the internal consistency? How did James and EDI teleport to the Normandy and why was Joker 'running away'? For that matter, why the logical fallacy of "I/we were afraid synthetics would destroy all organics, so I/we created super-synthetics to destroy all organics"? What happened to everybody on the Citadel? For f*ck sakes, are we as fans that stupid? Last I checked this was a mature rated game with adults playing (paying for?) it.

So I think the cake is a lie. They've got our money and only delivered 91% of the promised product (if metacritic is to be believed). On the other hand, it seems like the fans believe they only delivered 36% (if we ignore troll user ratings both for and against). So I'm not angry, really, just bemused/confused and certainly dissapointed enough to relegate the once mighty BioWare to the "buy when in bargain bin" category. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, and all that. ETA: I think mostly I actually feel insulted. I struggled past all the endless Cerberus/Reaper troops fighting (and one shot kills and other nasty sh!t) for 45:50 hours to be presented with that 10 minutes. It's f*cken insulting!

Oh and on a lighter note, I'll post a few shots of Kassia once I'm deeper into her playthrough than Vancouver. I promise.

In the meantime, here some heartfelt hugs and complimentary Chillax pills to those that need either (or Allah forbid, both).

P.S. At this point I support Marauder Shields. What a selfless sacrifice. He's the END BOSS to forever beat all end bosses. He made Commander Shepard bleed, while trying to stop our brains from bleeding. R.I.P. dear Maruader!

Modifié par Kyrene, 19 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[raziel1980]

meonlyred wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

- Wall of win -

I so agree. Synthesis is massive betrayal in my book. It's exactly what Saren wanted and everything you are fighting against. After that you weren't human any more. You are an abomination.

This pretty much sums up how I feel abou the 'choices.'

This.

and I am most certainly QFT...