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[nitefyre410]

raziel1980 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Here is an official respone I saw over at the General Boad that was posted today:  blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


 Sounds hopeful.

Holy CRAP yes, that's hopeful.  That is pretty much exactly what i'd hoped to hear, except without the 'and we have a DLC with elcors wearing missile launchers and a vegamance and a thane-fix.

but hey, vERY close second. that's actually not deflection speak. 

Awww..... BioWare, this makes me very happy.

 

Its a start but I'm not jumping for joy just yet ... but its a start. 

Pretty much....this. I just want a start...and yeah, let's go from there...

 

I'm still not pleased with some of the language he used in a addressing our concerns...   Cristism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive... how that party being criticized handles  it is destructive.  

[TheMarshal]

Lianna sFfalenn wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
Question: Do you think that the child is not real and that Shepard is just seeing thing?

I think the kid is real and dies in the shuttle explosion, and the dream sequences and appearance at the end is Shepard's mind trying to deal with the guilt. Whether that's due to Reapers messing with her head or simple crushing weight of responsibility is open to debate.

Did everyone else spot the kid scooting into the building during the run over the solar panels, by the way? I didn't see him until the third or fourth time through the prologue, but it made at least a little more sense of why the husks ran over to the building and clawed at it, completely missing the two well armed marines dropping down behind them.

My take on the dream sequences was that they were actually Shepard "crossing over" somehow into the realm of the dead.  When she's there she sees the dead boy and hears the whispers of any squaddies who have passed.  Then, in the final dream, she sees herself.  And why not?  She died, too.

[TheMarshal]

nitefyre410 wrote...

I'm still not pleased with some of the language he used in a addressing our concerns...   Cristism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive... how that party being criticized handles  it is destructive.  

There's a difference, though, between criticism and the unproductive wailing and gnashing of teeth that the internet is known for.  As has been said by some of Bioware's own staff, remarks like "the ending sucks!" does nobody any good.

[Ottemis]

TheMarshal wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

I'm still not pleased with some of the language he used in a addressing our concerns...   Cristism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive... how that party being criticized handles  it is destructive.  

There's a difference, though, between criticism and the unproductive wailing and gnashing of teeth that the internet is known for.  As has been said by some of Bioware's own staff, remarks like "the ending sucks!" does nobody any good.

"The ending sucks balls, i hate you bioware, i will never believe a word you'll say ever again and whatever you release to the public i will completely ignore. I will tell all my friends the entire franchise is worth jack-sh*t. I'll also return my game then rile up a group of people to systematicly rate your games down!"

And that's skipping all the personal insults directed at the team. It's all 'justified', because it's their opinion ofcourse.

Overdramatised, but should show the difference. Actually not even overdramatised, that's actually happening. Not in great frequency, but that's what they are referring to, that's what I'm referring to anyways.

SOME are saddeningly unconstructive, destructive, abusive. And so on.

Modifié par Ottemis, 21 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[nitefyre410]

TheMarshal wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

I'm still not pleased with some of the language he used in a addressing our concerns...   Cristism be it gentle or harsh is never destructive... how that party being criticized handles  it is destructive.  

There's a difference, though, between criticism and the unproductive wailing and gnashing of teeth that the internet is known for.  As has been said by some of Bioware's own staff, remarks like "the ending sucks!" does nobody any good.

 

This is true but the first thing I learned in dealing with upset customers is you never call it that  because makes the problem even worst and angers the customer more..   Calling it that openly is going feed into the anger that  is already there... you want to defuse that  anger. If the party is getting completely out of control then thats what community managers and mods are for ... lock em down and ban em. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 21 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[AtlasMickey]

draken-heart wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

for some reason that picture makes me think:
Shepard: (to herself) Don't stare at the sexbot. Don't stare at the sexbot. DO NOT STARE AT THE SEXBOT!!!!

Hahahah 

She and June share aesthetic tastes in headwear, 

[Ottemis]

Some people are not looking to be defused and are taking every excuse to get more riled up.
They could say whatever really, it wouldn't matter in the slightest. I've seen posts being ripped apart and pulled out of context so many times over. People feel what they want to feel, if they don't want to feel differently they'll find an excuse.

I'm happy they're not fully rolling over and taking it up the bum. The behavior is unacceptable, in ANY situation.
It's also not the message you want to send out. "Insult us, we'll give you what you want".

Modifié par Ottemis, 21 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[Demonhoopa]

aimlessgun wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
Did you guys have to do much work to get your FemSheps looking "right" in ME3? I did a little tweaking to the eye position, and the eyeshadow color was WAY off, and sometimes I look at her and think "oh yeah, there's Alice"...

Nope! :happy:

Even if it looks slightly different, it's not something that was 'fixable', at least for me. 

ME1:


ME2:


ME3:


I think the import function has been decently consistent without requiring meddling on my part. Though of course after she left the military she decided she liked having her hair back 

Demonhoopa wrote...
My canon didn't have a face code so I had to go way beyond Tweaking. 

 

Damn good job for total reconstruction. 

Thank you. That's very kind of you to say.

[sagefic]

I've seen destructive comments for dang sure. They make me cringe, because they echo louder in internet space than the legitimate concerns.

here's mine: I the ending SOOOO much. indoctrination theory or not (i say yes to IT), it is the most amazing and decisive shout out of everything kyrie believes in. am i reading too much into it? i don't think so. i think it's an existential declaration to the universe that life is not worth living without freedom and individuality - that there are many things worse than death and a lot of things worth more than peace.

so on one level, i LOVED the ending....

but, it didn't really end the story, imo. like, a whole 5th or 4th of the tale is missing. so i have a hard time saying 'i hate the ending' becuase there WAS none, imo. and that blurb gives me hope we're gonna get one.

[Demonhoopa]

yukidama wrote...

 My Shep didn't romance Liara (or anyone from ME1) and she still smiled in that scene. BioWare is.... nevermind lol.

The smile might be the same but the greeting is very different. With Rhynne, who didn't romance anyone in ME1 (well she did but he fricken died. Fail), the greeting was very "good to see ya". With Fiona, who is very True Blue, there was lots of fawning and touching. I thought they did a good job with it.

[SaturnRing]

Tup3xi wrote...

Question: Do you think that the child is not real and that Shepard is just seeing thing?

Sorry for backtracking on that question. I was in a hurry and couldn't type a whole answer. My first thought is  yes. It's just that exchange between Shepard and the boy - it's uncharacteristic from a ten years old. When Shepard offer to help him his answer is: you can't help me. I would expect that from a 17 or 16 yrs old kid - very odd and mature from a 10 yrs old. I also think i would have instinctively stuck arround Shepard when given the opportunity - maternal/paternal protection - survival instinct.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 21 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[Demonhoopa]

zingro wrote...

My femshep scowls a lot <_< it's tough being a galactic hero, she needs a vacation.







Fighting for love... oh yeah, dont forget the whole damn galaxy.





My screenshot folder has become overloaded 

Dayum, she's bringin' sexy back with that smoldering scowl.

[ADLegend21]

New Guns and Poems Chapter

[nitefyre410]

Demonhoopa wrote...

zingro wrote...

My femshep scowls a lot <_< it's tough being a galactic hero, she needs a vacation.





*snip* 

Fighting for love... oh yeah, dont forget the whole damn galaxy.





My screenshot folder has become overloaded 

Dayum, she's bringin' sexy back with that smoldering scowl.

 


That she is    

[Ottemis]

sagequeen wrote...

I've seen destructive comments for dang sure. They make me cringe, because they echo louder in internet space than the legitimate concerns.

here's mine: I the ending SOOOO much. indoctrination theory or not (i say yes to IT), it is the most amazing and decisive shout out of everything kyrie believes in. am i reading too much into it? i don't think so. i think it's an existential declaration to the universe that life is not worth living without freedom and individuality - that there are many things worse than death and a lot of things worth more than peace.

so on one level, i LOVED the ending....

but, it didn't really end the story, imo. like, a whole 5th or 4th of the tale is missing. so i have a hard time saying 'i hate the ending' becuase there WAS none, imo. and that blurb gives me hope we're gonna get one.

Agreed =) Ofc my opinion differs slightly, but in essence, that's it.

[Demonhoopa]

sagequeen wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Here is an official respone I saw over at the General Boad that was posted today:  blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


 Sounds hopeful.

Holy CRAP yes, that's hopeful.  That is pretty much exactly what i'd hoped to hear, except without the 'and we have a DLC with elcors wearing missile launchers and a vegamance and a thane-fix.

but hey, vERY close second. that's actually not deflection speak. 

Awww..... BioWare, this makes me very happy.

I'll probably get slammed for this but I don't think they owe us "fixing" the Mass Effect 2 romances. Life is full of little disappointments when it comes to love and Shepard is no exception. I found it incredibly powerful when Rhynne discovered Jacob had found someone else and then humiliated herself trying to talk him into going back to her (most of us have made an ass of ourelves in the name of love at one time or another). When she finally resorted to anger and called him a "bastard", I just thought "wow, she's just like us" (Of course those of you that have read her journal know she's hopelessly flawed so maybe this is just me appreciating that Bioware gave me the opportunity to reinforce it "in game". I fully admit this personal bias could be coloring my perception).

It humanized my character and made me love her even more. She's the savior of the galaxy but also a loser at love and capable of losing grip of her dignity in the midst of that pain.

Just like us.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[Ottemis]

Demonhoopa wrote...

I'll probably get slammed for this but I don't think they owe us "fixing" the Mass Effect 2 romances. Life is full of little disappointments when it comes to love and Shepard is no exception. I found it incredibly powerful when Rhynne discovered Jacob had found someone else and then humiliated herself trying to talk him into going back to her (most of us have made an ass of themselves in the name of love at one time or another). When she finally resorted to anger and called him a "bastard", I just thought "wow, she's just like us".

It humanized my character and made me love her even more. She's the savior of the galaxy but also a loser at love and capable of losing grip of her dignity in the midst of that pain.

Just like us.

Actually agree, there's just some things they definately could have handled better. I'm happy to hear the responce you were able to give Jacob was satisfying to you, but others have also rightfully claimed the experience being lacking for them, and moreover OOC for their Shepard. As such, they should accomodate for that, I think, and give for more responce not only to Jacob, but also to Brynne and her provocative comments.

As to the Thane romance, which is an often discussed subject on mumble.. Wether or not he dies, a cure, life prolonging treatment is one thing, but the pure lack of content is jarring, even from a non-romance POV.
I personally think his death was done with style and while used as a plottool, it also gave Thane the ending his character deserved. It's just the way there, that didn't give us enough satisfaction.
Also, asmuch as it's logical from a mechanics POV that you don't get the paramore achievement in the end, because when flagged for romance or continued romance the game ends all other running flirtations. Thane dying early in the game, not getting that flag to enable you to romance a character after he's died is a good idea, BUT very very jarring for a Shepard that gets hit on as an indirect result just after having 'buried' him, so to speak. From a roleplay POV, it's a disaster. Tiny adjustments in flagging would sort that, and you'd hope they will.
Also, where's the recognition? So easily sorted aswell, give us a framed image of him. We can take comfort from it, we can reflect upon his death throughout the game. Something more then the scene where you stab Kai Leng and Thane's voice in one of your dream-sequences.

Modifié par Ottemis, 21 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Demonhoopa]

Ottemis wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

I'll probably get slammed for this but I don't think they owe us "fixing" the Mass Effect 2 romances. Life is full of little disappointments when it comes to love and Shepard is no exception. I found it incredibly powerful when Rhynne discovered Jacob had found someone else and then humiliated herself trying to talk him into going back to her (most of us have made an ass of themselves in the name of love at one time or another). When she finally resorted to anger and called him a "bastard", I just thought "wow, she's just like us".

It humanized my character and made me love her even more. She's the savior of the galaxy but also a loser at love and capable of losing grip of her dignity in the midst of that pain.

Just like us.

Actually agree, there's just some things they definately could have handled better. I'm happy to hear the responce you were able to give Jacob was satisfying to you, but others have also rightfully claimed the experience being lacking for them, and moreover OOC for their Shepard. As such, they should accomodate for that, I think, and give for more responce not only to Jacob, but also to Brynne and her provocative comments.

As to the Thane romance, which is an often discussed subject on mumble.. Wether or not he dies, a cure, life prolonging treatment is one thing, but the pure lack of content is jarring, even from a non-romance POV.
I personally think his death was done with style and while used as a plottool, it also gave Thane the ending his character deserved. It's just the way there, that didn't give us enough satisfaction.
Also, asmuch as it's logical from a mechanics POV that you don't get the paramore achievement in the end, because when flagged for romance or continued romance the game ends all other running flirtations. Thane dying early in the game, not getting that flag to enable you to romance a character after he's died is a good idea, BUT very very jarring for a Shepard that gets hit on as an indirect result just after having 'buried' him, so to speak. From a roleplay POV, it's a disaster. Tiny adjustments in flagging would sort that, and you'd hope they will.
Also, where's the recognition? So easily sorted aswell, give us a framed image of him. We can take comfort from it, we can reflect upon his death throughout the game. Something more then the scene where you stab Kai Leng and Thane's voice in one of your dream-sequences.

Yeah I'd have to concede that you have a point (actually I had amended my post to include a disclaimer about my own personal bias prior to your response appearing but you must have already been responding. Wish I would have thought of it in the first place).

I can't speak to the Thane romance as I haven't played any of my shepards that romanced Thane yet. When it comes to romance, I think there can always be more content (yes I'm talking to you Bethesda. What the HELL was that in Skyrim?) so I'm sure not going to argue with you there.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Ottemis]

Well then we're just in agreeance. =)
And yeah I was typing. Aside from not being able to type blindly, I also have the annoying trait to read over my own ramblings 10 times before posting it .. and then continuously reading over it another 10 times till I'm 100% satisfied with it (or someone quotes me hehe).

[Demonhoopa]

Ottemis wrote...

Well then we're just in agreeance. =)
And yeah I was typing. Aside from not being able to type blindly, I also have the annoying trait to read over my own ramblings 10 times before posting it .. and then continuously reading over it another 10 times till I'm 100% satisfied with it (or someone quotes me hehe).

Yeah I do the same thing except I'm an idiot and do it after I've  already posted hence the chronic "go back and edit" tendency that continues to bite me in the ass.

I'm hopelessly flawed just like my favorite ginger.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[AtlasMickey]

Demonhoopa, well said.

Thane's presence in the game was perfect. The man has a terminal illness for god's sake. Yes, his premature lack of presence in your life is going to be felt and yes you will be disappointed and unsatisfied, no matter what.

It couldn't have ended any other way.

[Tup3x]

Demonhoopa wrote...

I'll probably get slammed for this but I don't think they owe us "fixing" the Mass Effect 2 romances. Life is full of little disappointments when it comes to love and Shepard is no exception. I found it incredibly powerful when Rhynne discovered Jacob had found someone else and then humiliated herself trying to talk him into going back to her (most of us have made an ass of ourelves in the name of love at one time or another). When she finally resorted to anger and called him a "bastard", I just thought "wow, she's just like us" (Of course those of you that have read her journal know she's hopelessly flawed so maybe this is just me appreciating that Bioware gave me the opportunity to reinforce it "in game". I fully admit this personal bias could be coloring my perception).

It humanized my character and made me love her even more. She's the savior of the galaxy but also a loser at love and capable of losing grip of her dignity in the midst of that pain.

Just like us.
/Rhynne kissing bastard

That I did not know... Rhynne had a thing with Jacob? I can only imagine what was going on in her head when she met Jacob again.

[Demonhoopa]

Tup3xi wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

I'll probably get slammed for this but I don't think they owe us "fixing" the Mass Effect 2 romances. Life is full of little disappointments when it comes to love and Shepard is no exception. I found it incredibly powerful when Rhynne discovered Jacob had found someone else and then humiliated herself trying to talk him into going back to her (most of us have made an ass of ourelves in the name of love at one time or another). When she finally resorted to anger and called him a "bastard", I just thought "wow, she's just like us" (Of course those of you that have read her journal know she's hopelessly flawed so maybe this is just me appreciating that Bioware gave me the opportunity to reinforce it "in game". I fully admit this personal bias could be coloring my perception).

It humanized my character and made me love her even more. She's the savior of the galaxy but also a loser at love and capable of losing grip of her dignity in the midst of that pain.

Just like us.
/Rhynne kissing bastard

That I did not know... Rhynne had a thing with Jacob? I can only imagine what was going on in her head when she met Jacob again.

Yeah she did. When I get the journal going again you'll get the details but this sums it up in a nutshell. After she woke up from the dead to this annoying Australian sounding voice telling her to get up, she found herself stumbling around a facility in nothing but a hospital gown and a crappy pistol (no armor. That was ridiculous). She could barely walk and couldn't see well so she had to "shoot the mech in the middle".

Confused, scared, weak and barely fighting panic, she stumbled across a young black man shooting mechs and crushing them with biotics. Through all this chaos, frenzy and fear, Rhynne's vision seemed to momentarily clear as one thought popped into her mind: 

"Oh yes please. I want one of those".

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[Chignon]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Here is an official respone I saw over at the General Boad that was posted today:  blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


 Sounds hopeful.

I’m going to sit on the fence until I see what kind of “game content initiatives” they’re planning, but no, I don’t count a vague admittance as anything more than it is. It is an acknowledgement, however, and that’s a start.

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