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[Tup3x]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

I'll probably get slammed for this but I don't think they owe us "fixing" the Mass Effect 2 romances. Life is full of little disappointments when it comes to love and Shepard is no exception. I found it incredibly powerful when Rhynne discovered Jacob had found someone else and then humiliated herself trying to talk him into going back to her (most of us have made an ass of ourelves in the name of love at one time or another). When she finally resorted to anger and called him a "bastard", I just thought "wow, she's just like us" (Of course those of you that have read her journal know she's hopelessly flawed so maybe this is just me appreciating that Bioware gave me the opportunity to reinforce it "in game". I fully admit this personal bias could be coloring my perception).

It humanized my character and made me love her even more. She's the savior of the galaxy but also a loser at love and capable of losing grip of her dignity in the midst of that pain.

Just like us.
/Rhynne kissing bastard

That I did not know... Rhynne had a thing with Jacob? I can only imagine what was going on in her head when she met Jacob again.

Yeah she did. When I get the journal going again you'll get the details but this sums it up in a nutshell. After she woke up from the dead to this annoying Australian sounding voice telling her to get up, she found herself stumbling around a facility in nothing but a hospital gown and a crappy pistol (no armor. That was ridiculous). She could barely walk and couldn't see well so she had to "shoot the mech in the middle".

Confused, scared, weak and barely fighting panic, she stumbled across a young black man shooting mechs and crushing them with biotics. Through all this chaos, frenzy and fear, Rhynne's vision seemed to momentarily clear as one thought popped into her mind: 

"Oh yes please. I want one of those".

So that's how it happened... Interesting.

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Some omniblade action plus Shepard and Prothy the prothean.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 21 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[KyreneZA]

I only had to tweak Kassia's eyebrow colour and I'm slightly upset that the buzzcut is not as indicative of your character's hair colour as it was in ME2, but apart from that she imported perfectly. I did notice that mouth 4, 8 and A were exactly the same in ME2, and are still like that in ME3. So I swapped her mouth 8 for mouth 4 because it seems like she pouted too much in the Vancouver prelude. I might be imagining things but the mouth 4 seems to animate less harshly. Anyway, Kassia (and Kaidan):

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Speaking of playing Cupid, did anyone get the Garrus/Tali romance towards the end of their playthrough? I thought that was cute even if I would have preferred Kal'Reegar/Tali.
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Amazing analysis of the dream sequences. Shepard 'crossing over,' or wandering Hades is some sharp perception. I did hear the voices of all the fallen comrades-in-arms, but only ascribed it to guilt, motivation to not fail them, not seeing the whole symbolism.
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Even if the most plausible, I still don't like the indoctrination theory: even in the best case where you get the breath (which I didn't get, since you can't get enough EMS in SP; another cake lie) scene, it still means that the Reapers are gonna win. Shepard led Hammer and Shield to death, possibly even by design. All other cases just means Shepard never wakes up after being zapped by Harbinger, but the cycle will continue. And this time the Reapers are gonna be sure to remove all traces of the Catalyst too.
ETA: I meant "remove all traces of the Crucible too."
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Can aynone tell me what happened to the Citadel inhabitants before it reached earth?

Modifié par Kyrene, 21 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Tup3x]

Kyrene wrote...

Even if the most plausible, I still don't like the indoctrination theory: even in the best case where you get the breath (which I didn't get, since you can't get enough EMS in SP; another cake lie) scene, it still means that the Reapers are gonna win. Shepard led Hammer and Shield to death, possibly even by design. All other cases just means Shepard never wakes up after being zapped by Harbinger, but the cycle will continue. And this time the Reapers are gonna be sure to remove all traces of the Catalyst too.
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Can aynone tell me what happened to the Citadel inhabitants before it reached earth?

I do wonder what actually happened if Shepard survived (assuming that it all happened in her head). Crucible worked? Without doing anything inside Citadel?

Well... There are those protein somethings the Keeper's run. In any case it's safe to assume that nothing good happened to those poor people. Maybe they huskified 'em all and beamed them to Earth.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 21 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Demonhoopa]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

  Speaking of relationship rifts I rather liked the stand off between Devi and Kaiden during the Citadel mission. It made me realize how idealistic Kaidan can be; he hesitates much more when it comes to making difficult decisions. I'm not sure if this could be solely based on his moral fibre, or even partially on naiveness or his lack of experience dealing with the seedier segments of the galaxy---unlike Devi who somehow managed to work with Cerberus and stroll through Omega with her conscience still intact. While the Citadel standoff got me a little frustrated---I just wanted to yell at Kaiden "Stand by me for once!"---I like being reminded that he has a mind of his own and does not stand in awe of Shepard.


Incomming picture spam:

I really liked that too. I do wish there was a renegade trigger option to shoot him (I have a couple of shepards who would be pretty fed up with Kaiden/Ashley by that point and would be tempted to do it). That pipe dream aside, it's a great scene.

Reg Tali/Garrus, I haven't experienced that yet (didn't know about it at all until just now reading it in this thread). In my first playthrough with Cybill, Tali committed suicide and with Rhynne I didn't have Garrus because he died on the collector mission. Hopefully the third time's the charm with Fiona.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[KateM]

Chignon wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Here is an official respone I saw over at the General Boad that was posted today:  blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


 Sounds hopeful.

I’m going to sit on the fence until I see what kind of “game content initiatives” they’re planning, but no, I don’t count a vague admittance as anything more than it is. It is an acknowledgement, however, and that’s a start.

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-awesome snip-

Agreed

But I'm not buying this: "...the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us."
I mean really? Really? Just one look at the "so we can't get the endings we want" thread should have given them a clue.

[Chignon]

Tup3xi wrote...

Question: Do you think that the child is not real and that Shepard is just seeing thing?

I think the scenes with the boy in the beginning were real enough. He was in Vancouver during the attack and died in the shuttle.

This is further evidenced by a picture of the boy being at the Memorial Wall on the Citadel.

However, either the Reapers or Shepard's own subconsciousness used the boy as a symbol for all the people Shepard has lost and will lose if the war isn't won.

[sagefic]

SaturnRing wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Question: Do you think that the child is not real and that Shepard is just seeing thing?

Sorry for backtracking on that question. I was in a hurry and couldn't type a whole answer. My first thought is  yes. It's just that exchange between Shepard and the boy - it's uncharacteristic from a ten years old. When Shepard offer to help him his answer is: you can't help me. I would expect that from a 17 or 16 yrs old kid - very odd and mature from a 10 yrs old. I also think i would have instinctively stuck arround Shepard when given the opportunity - maternal/paternal protection - survival instinct.

This. Kids don't talk like that. At the time I thought, geez, clearly the writer for that kid doesn't know kids. a normal kid would say 'where's my mom?' or 'i saw a lady with blood all over her.' or just cry.  they don't say 'you can't help me.' most kids that age still think adults have all the answers. they don't give out accusatory statements when hiding in air ducts. it's just weird.

and dude, I don't get this "Give us a new ending.' or gamespot's stupid 'they shouldn't change the ending.'

There WAS no ending. You've got Frodo and Sam lying on the side of Mt. Doom. Whatever you think about indoctrination theory, whatever ending you chose, you're lying on the side of mt. doom at the end - alive, dead, what have you. That's the climax of the story, not the ending.

so when people are demanding this 'new' ending, i don't get it. i'm like, okay, bioware, if you want to end with frodo and sam vaguely on the mountain, okaaayyy, but that's not an ending. that's not how the story wraps itself up. that's the critical turning point - a very AWESOME critical turning point. kudos to you for replacing a boss battle with a philosophical argument. i can dig that. but i'd also like the actual completion of the story - you know, where the troops fight and we see what happens to everyone and some live and some die and we learn what happens to the rest of the galaxy. that stuff. THAT'S an ending.

[mellifera]

krayzi wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Here is an official respone I saw over at the General Boad that was posted today:  blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


 Sounds hopeful.

I’m going to sit on the fence until I see what kind of “game content initiatives” they’re planning, but no, I don’t count a vague admittance as anything more than it is. It is an acknowledgement, however, and that’s a start.

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-awesome snip-

Agreed

But I'm not buying this: "...the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us."
I mean really? Really? Just one look at the "so we can't get the endings we want" thread should have given them a clue.

Yeah. I'm not really gonna take BW at their word anymore. This is pure PR, and until they show me the receipts I'll sit here being unimpressed but interested in where they go with this.

[Demonhoopa]

sagequeen wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Question: Do you think that the child is not real and that Shepard is just seeing thing?

Sorry for backtracking on that question. I was in a hurry and couldn't type a whole answer. My first thought is  yes. It's just that exchange between Shepard and the boy - it's uncharacteristic from a ten years old. When Shepard offer to help him his answer is: you can't help me. I would expect that from a 17 or 16 yrs old kid - very odd and mature from a 10 yrs old. I also think i would have instinctively stuck arround Shepard when given the opportunity - maternal/paternal protection - survival instinct.

This. Kids don't talk like that. At the time I thought, geez, clearly the writer for that kid doesn't know kids. a normal kid would say 'where's my mom?' or 'i saw a lady with blood all over her.' or just cry.  they don't say 'you can't help me.' most kids that age still think adults have all the answers. they don't give out accusatory statements when hiding in air ducts. it's just weird.

I get the feeling they were borrowing from Aliens, condensing two scenes between Ripley and Noot into one. There's the first time they "meet" when Noot won't come out of the duct and later in the story when Ripley explains to her that they have trained marines with them to which she replied "It won't make a difference".

I'd bet money that scene between the kid and Shepard wouldn't be there if Aliens was never made.

Of course with Noot it made sense because she had been surviving on her own in those ducts for weeks and weeks and had seen the full scope of what the Aliens can do (and did do to her loved ones and community protectors). It was far too early in ME3 for the kid to already be that jaded. However, I'm willing to suspend disbelief for something that minor. I understand what they were trying to convey. Hopelessness.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[Ottemis]

Kyrene wrote...
Can aynone tell me what happened to the Citadel inhabitants before it reached earth?

Hmmm, nothing good.
But erm, on a serious note, Illusive man tipped off the Reapers, they reap and move it to the front-lines.

The Keeper is fine though, not to fret =P

As to what the kid says, it's a plottool, Also grips in to what I personally think of the child.
He exists to feed Shep's fear of failure, maybe even as a warning to us. I also believe StarChild's form is coincidentally whatever was most prominent in Shepards mind at that time, wether or not it's meant to manipulate, it automaticly affects her emotionally because if she didn't have strong feelings about it, the form would never have been on the foreground and picked.

At any rate, I have no idea what kids in wartime 'say', don't think you can compare it to what kids normally say, in any form or way.

Modifié par Ottemis, 21 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[mccool78]

More Renegade Shepard:



Always do what Jarvik says.


James, just a little sex?


Damn James, what is wrong with you? We could get toasted by Harby tomorrow, and you play hard to get.



Uh it's really hot here.

[KateM]

yukidama wrote...

krayzi wrote...

Chignon wrote...

I’m going to sit on the fence until I see what kind of “game content initiatives” they’re planning, but no, I don’t count a vague admittance as anything more than it is. It is an acknowledgement, however, and that’s a start.

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-awesome snip-

Agreed

But I'm not buying this: "...the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us."
I mean really? Really? Just one look at the "so we can't get the endings we want" thread should have given them a clue.

Yeah. I'm not really gonna take BW at their word anymore. This is pure PR, and until they show me the receipts I'll sit here being unimpressed but interested in where they go with this.

Me too. I'll believe it when I see it.

Meanwhile, one of the biggest german tabloids, "Die Bild Zeitung" , reported it on their page.
If anyone is interested and understands german here is the link :

Bild
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and to stay on topic:

Modifié par krayzi, 21 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[Silver]

As much as I hate the Bild Zeitung, it's nice that they stayed civil and did not rant against us gamers (for the most part).

The Bild Zeitung is our equivalent to tabloids like "The Sun" (both the one in the U.S. and the UK).
It is also a right-wing paper that excels in fear-mongering and ranting against corrupt Politicians, even though its history is far from spotless.

Modifié par silverhammer08, 21 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[KateM]

True, I expected something worse 

[Chignon]

silverhammer08 wrote...

As much as I hate the Bild Zeitung, it's nice that they stayed civil and did not rant against us gamers (for the most part).

The Bild Zeitung is our equivalent to tabloids like "The Sun" (both the one in the U.S. and the UK).
It is also a right-wing paper that excels in fear-mongering and ranting against corrupt Politicians, even though its history is far from spotless.

The poll on the page is also fairly indicative about how most players felt.

[SaturnRing]

sagequeen wrote...


This. Kids don't talk like that. At the time I thought, geez, clearly the writer for that kid doesn't know kids. a normal kid would say 'where's my mom?' or 'i saw a lady with blood all over her.' or just cry.  they don't say 'you can't help me.' most kids that age still think adults have all the answers. they don't give out accusatory statements when hiding in air ducts. it's just weird.

Combined with the fact that nobody seems to notice him...part of a plot or just game limitation?

@Tup: did you get it? if you did how is it?




Miss it...

Modifié par SaturnRing, 21 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[KyreneZA]

Ottemis wrote...

Kyrene wrote...
Can aynone tell me what happened to the Citadel inhabitants before it reached earth?

Hmmm, nothing good.
But erm, on a serious note, Illusive man tipped off the Reapers, they reap and move it to the front-lines.

The Keeper is fine though, not to fret =P

I assumed those bodies were from the humans being beamed up. They're all human afterall. And yes, TIM did warn the Reapers, but I'm not sure it's safe to say the reaped the Citadel, so that's why I asked. I was under the impression it moved to earth via its own propulsion.

Anyone now think the Keeper's true function was not to just keep the Citadel functioning, but also to process the bodies/fluids/DNA of the next race to win the "gonna be the next Reaper" lotto?

[Tup3x]

SaturnRing wrote...

sagequeen wrote...


This. Kids don't talk like that. At the time I thought, geez, clearly the writer for that kid doesn't know kids. a normal kid would say 'where's my mom?' or 'i saw a lady with blood all over her.' or just cry.  they don't say 'you can't help me.' most kids that age still think adults have all the answers. they don't give out accusatory statements when hiding in air ducts. it's just weird.

Combined with the fact that nobody seems to notice him...part of a plot or just game limitation?

Or that he actually isn't real. I wouldn't be so sure that the boy is real after the boy+toy scene. To be honest, the boy after that always felt surreal to me.

[Gilsa]

sagequeen wrote...

-snip-

There WAS no ending. You've got Frodo and Sam lying on the side of Mt. Doom. Whatever you think about indoctrination theory, whatever ending you chose, you're lying on the side of mt. doom at the end - alive, dead, what have you. That's the climax of the story, not the ending.

so when people are demanding this 'new' ending, i don't get it. i'm like, okay, bioware, if you want to end with frodo and sam vaguely on the mountain, okaaayyy, but that's not an ending. that's not how the story wraps itself up. that's the critical turning point - a very AWESOME critical turning point. kudos to you for replacing a boss battle with a philosophical argument. i can dig that. but i'd also like the actual completion of the story - you know, where the troops fight and we see what happens to everyone and some live and some die and we learn what happens to the rest of the galaxy. that stuff. THAT'S an ending.

That is SO funny. That's nearly the exact analogy I used the other day with my husband. "It's like Frodo throwing in the ring and that's it. The end."

 I finished my second playthrough last night and I really enjoyed it all the way through. My original hurt came from the fact that it ended right there and felt incomplete. (The VS and James were my final two squadmates and they both came out of the ship with Joker. I had Garrus on my first run and he never came out. I got Javik instead, wtf.)

April can't arrive fast enough.


Shepard: "I'm not willing to bank this whole war on a hope and a prayer."
Anderson: "Well, truth is ... we could use a little of both right now."


My canon is the only one that would get this ending. I have two other alts that would go for the other colors instead.


"Back at the scene of the crime! " (Right? =p)

Modifié par Gilsa, 21 mars 2012 - 08:20 .

[Silver]

@krayzi & Chignon: true, on both accounts...

[sagefic]

Gilsa wrote...
My canon is the only one that would get this ending. I have two other alts that would go for the other colors instead.

THIS. so much this.

yep. and i think if indoctrination is true, that's going to be the tragedy of my playthroughs. i started a handful of shepards, but several of them would choose control or synthesis. so if that's the end for them... huh. not sure if i'm going to do playthrough in that case.

Chignon wrote...

silverhammer08 wrote...

As much as I hate the Bild Zeitung, it's nice that they stayed civil and did not rant against us gamers (for the most part).

The Bild Zeitung is our equivalent to tabloids like "The Sun" (both the one in the U.S. and the UK).
It is also a right-wing paper that excels in fear-mongering and ranting against corrupt Politicians, even though its history is far from spotless.

The poll on the page is also fairly indicative about how most players felt.

 

So i read that with a rather goofy google translate since my german sucks. but i found it hilarious how (translated to english, at least) the article is kind of 'the fans are crazy!' and then there's that poll that says 'do you think they should change the ending'...

and at my check 78% are voting YES.

[AtlasMickey]

mccool78 wrote...

Damn, ToonShep likes kinda hot when she's got renegade eyes and scars. You know all that makeup means she's bad.

Speaking of renegade, I'm going back for an insanity renegade play through of ME2 using July Shepard's import from ME1 and May Shepard's face code from the ME3 demo. I love I love I love my calendar girls.




She's a Sentinel with Dominate as her extra power. Ooo that's gonna be naughty. And she's gonna romance Jack. XD

Thinking about going back and giving her the shaved head look to make her harder features stand out more.

She's emblematic of my being pissed off with all the whiners regarding the ME3 ending. I'll take it out on the game instead of you guys lol.

[sagefic]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

At this point I want to hear more about the rest of the game and how it relates to Femshep in this thread.

But, but, but...!

Nah, you're right.

How's this for a start: did you ever wish you could drag around squadmates with you while ON the citadel, rather than walking around alone?  I for one kept wanting to drag everyone to Purgatory and prove to them all that shepard really CAN dance.

(okay, mine can't, but she thinks she can)