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[mellifera]

nranola wrote...

I would've preferred Emily Wong. It'd be a great way to recycle and establish more familiarity with a classic character. Oh well... I don't mind Allers but it just feels like such a good opportunity wasted.
(snip)
A salute to the bravest journalist in the galaxy.

Godspeed, Emily 


And a random pic I liked when looking through my folder for the salute:

Modifié par yukidama, 29 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[Sinapus]

yukidama wrote...

nranola wrote...

I would've preferred Emily Wong. It'd be a great way to recycle and establish more familiarity with a classic character. Oh well... I don't mind Allers but it just feels like such a good opportunity wasted.
(snip)
A salute to the bravest journalist in the galaxy.

Godspeed, Emily 

Though ye were killed via Twitter, your fans will always remember you...

[MizzNaaa]

I'm a lurker here for some reason, I swear, I always mean to follow conversation and actively participate but I have the attention span of a goldfish, and just never quite manage it. I always miss out on the conversations happening, but then I drop in with a wall of text to throw my (bigass) two cents in.

@Aislinn, I feel for you. I really do. I have nothing more to say about the whole subject that hasn't been said by you and other people on the thread, but it was a huge let-down and I'm a Kaidanmancer...I can only imagine how you feel, and how horrid your ME3 experience was. The game has its faults, and with each reflection on my only experience with ME3, I realize there's more, but the ending -for me- dropped the bomb that I couldn't even notice the other stuff.
Had the Kaidan romance been treated the same way....yeah, I understand *lots of hugs and ice-cream and cookies*

As for why I chose FemShep; I chose FemShep because I'm a dudette, and I rather like seeing heroes in my own gender. Then I heard Jennifer Hale's voice and it was insta-love for me. She brings so much depth into FemShep, I just can't help but want to play my game that way. All of those who know me will know Jennifer (my femshep, not Jenn hale, the name was a complete coincidence by the way) is my baby, and I love her even more cause of the life JennHale's voice brought into her.

I've seen a lot of new FemSheppies coming here, welcome everyone! Lovely FemSheps, quite badass too. And oh, damn those redhaired femsheps, so gorgeous!

@Elorin Silverblade and @Syrdeth both are absolutely lovely   

@Syrdeth again, I agree with everything you pretty much said. And yes, so far, I'm yet to find something Sage posts that I don't agree with.

merylisk wrote...
More of Anja...

 
You know how much I already love her 

Going back to the previous 'ending' related subject.

I was just looking through all the FemSheps I made, and all the FemSheps I planned to make. I just don't have it in me anymore. I played the game once, and I just can't go back. It was a letdown, a huge one at that, seeing that ending. It even put a damper on my enjoyment of the previous games. I'm yet to touch any game for more than a few minutes since finishing ME3 :/

I'm hoping that with time, and if -maybe (hopefully?)- BioWare fixes the crap that is the ending, and the crap that is the treatment of all ME2 characters, but for me mostly the ending, I'll be able to do that second playthrough and go back and finish all the awesome FemSheps I could make and planned to make, and already made.
*le sigh*

Here, have a Jennifer.





How can I see that smile and put her through that ending again?

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 29 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Liraelx]

@meonlyred: That screen shot of Thane and femshep holding hands is soo cute!

And we need more guys who appreciate women playing video games

This, I'm sick of certain game store empolyees giving me the 'what are you doing here? Oh she must be buying it for someone else' attitude ¬.¬ But it's part of a much larger issue and that's another rant for another place.

I grew up watching shows like Power Rangers, Charmed and Buffy, so strong female leads are something I'm used to, therefore the weak just there to be rescued or are just there to look pretty/ skanky characters really annoy me. I'm so glad I did have this type of upbringing though, the 90s was awesome for girl power ;D

As to the is Shepard an extension of yourself discussion going on: I think it's impossible to play as a character for 80+ hours and not start to see a little of yourself in them, even if you deliberately make all paragon/ renegade choices it still forces you to think 'what do I think is the right choice here?' though you may not be overly aware of it. They might be nothing like you, but unless you're very detached, they do reflect you, if that makes sense. I think this is part of the reason people feel so strongly about the game and what they don't like about it, because if you played it with any degree of commitment you can't not care. As for me, I tend to go with renegade for minor interactions (because Jo Shep is tired of solving everyone else's problems for them!) and choose whatever I'd consider the 'right' choice for the big ones.

Allers: Much as I hate that they made her character model that skanky and added yet another one night stand lady, she does become interesting if you talk to her enough, and she sends you one of the nicest messages you receive in game before the final push if you keep her on board, give her a chance folks!

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead, so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look healthy.

[nitefyre410]

Liraelx wrote...

@meonlyred: That screen shot of Thane and femshep holding hands is soo cute!

And we need more guys who appreciate women playing video games

This, I'm sick of certain game store empolyees giving me the 'what are you doing here? Oh she must be buying it for someone else' attitude ¬.¬ But it's part of a much larger issue and that's another rant for another place.

I grew up watching shows like Power Rangers, Charmed and Buffy, so strong female leads are something I'm used to, therefore the weak just there to be rescued or are just there to look pretty/ skanky characters really annoy me. I'm so glad I did have this type of upbringing though, the 90s was awesome for girl power ;D

As to the is Shepard an extension of yourself discussion going on: I think it's impossible to play as a character for 80+ hours and not start to see a little of yourself in them, even if you deliberately make all paragon/ renegade choices it still forces you to think 'what do I think is the right choice here?' though you may not be overly aware of it. They might be nothing like you, but unless you're very detached, they do reflect you, if that makes sense. I think this is part of the reason people feel so strongly about the game and what they don't like about it, because if you played it with any degree of commitment you can't not care. As for me, I tend to go with renegade for minor interactions (because Jo Shep is tired of solving everyone else's problems for them!) and choose whatever I'd consider the 'right' choice for the big ones.

Allers: Much as I hate that they made her character model that skanky and added yet another one night stand lady, she does become interesting if you talk to her enough, and she sends you one of the nicest messages you receive in game before the final push if you keep her on board, give her a chance folks!
*snip*  

  

hmmm  would this game store be known for taking trade ins and trying to push you to pre-order...    

Something the creators of  the Justice League and Justice League  Unlimted Shows on Cartoon Network did.. Out of the DC big  3,  Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman. When  there was big fight.. they made sure no matter wan that  Wonder Woman had the most screne time kicking as much ass as possible.  Matter of fact the two toughest female heroes in terms ass kicking ability  but sheer iron will grit. I have come across,   Diana Prince(hands burnt almost to bone.. bandage axe to hand continue fighting)    Female  Shepard(She head butts Krogan),  

Your right my  characters to reflect me in a  sense.. though Garrus is more like me than any other character in the game    personality wise. :innocent:  


Allers but I don't wanna  <_<.  Maybe one day but not today 

[Fraevar]

Liraelx wrote...
And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead, so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look healthy.

In my case it began purely as an experiment with the character creator and not neccesarily a part of Lia's character. I went through several revisions of her and just wanted something to highlight those big green eyes of hers. It brings out a lot more intensity than without, especially when she gets angry - which happens a lot in this game.



So with some help from ELE and her Devon texmod, I got what I felt was an appropriate look for the character, in the visual sense. And since it's the future, I guess it wouldn't take that long in the morning? 

[nranola]

Liraelx wrote...

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up?

Interesting question, and very relevant to me as I've recently made an aesthetic decision with my Jennelyn with regards to her makeup.

I used to give her red eyeshadow because I personally thought it looked nice and justified it by saying she puts in on to look presentable. Buuut as time passed the more it made less sense to me that she would wear any makeup, being a soldier and all, as well as growing up in a colony (think small town girl vs. city girl, is how I look at it).

So Jennelyn's going natural. If we're talking CC technicalities she is wearing eyeliner (not that it shows in ME3) and some gloss, but psh, details. She wears none. None, I say!


NOOOOOOONE!

*cough*

In short: For me, the character's personality carries more weight in aesthetic decisions.

Modifié par nranola, 29 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[mellifera]

Makeup? I guess it depends. I usually don't put any makeup on my characters, save for very light stuff just to give their skin some colour since the plain textures tend to be very blank and dull (see my Warden and my fHawke). In ME 1/2 I gave my canon Shepard the lightest eyeshadow because of the creepy eyelids but no other makeup. She wears that same light eyeshadow but it's pretty much invisible in ME3. Nothing else, though the texture makes her lips look shiny even though she has no gloss. Chapstick, I guess.


But I actually like makeup IRL, so sometimes I can't help but have a done up Shepard. Impractical? Definitely. But a femme Shep is nice too.

I had wanted to keep her with the shaved head but dem texture seams... couldn't deal with it, lol. So she gets big hair that's full of secrets.

Modifié par yukidama, 29 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[SkaldFish]

Tup3xi wrote...

Raises hand too. Shepard is awesome and for that reason she is in my profile picture.

I've always meant to go grab an image of a Skald Fish from the game and use it as my profile pic, but somehow it never happens...

Modifié par SkaldFish, 29 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[MizzNaaa]

Liraelx wrote...
And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead, so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look healthy.

I had the same notion with how...well, Jennifer wouldn't put on make up, she's a soldier! But, I really liked Jennifer in her smokey black eyeshadow, it brought out her pale blue eyes nicely. After a talk with Ottemis, I just decided, **** it, it's the future, they probably have an automated make up applicator. Just stick it over your eyelids and voila!

If that doesn't work, then...Mass effect fields, they're the answer to everything.

[mellifera]

It's not like applying eyeliner takes that long anyway. I just hope it's super waterproof, maybe a special Alliance combat glamour brand.

Modifié par yukidama, 29 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[Lady Jess]

New Fem Shep. Tara, infiltrator, paragon, War Hero, and Spacer.




I don't like her eyebrows but I'm too lazy to restart and no brow color seems to work with the dark brown hair anyhow. Which bugs me, because MY eyebrows match MY hair dammit.

I made her have my brown hair and blue/grey eyes. Makeup is an always on thing for my Sheps. I see female soldiers in makeup every day, so to me it's just normal. But I try to keep it in "regs" which means understated. Well, as understated as ME eyeliner gets.

And I play Female because I can, because I relate to female not male. In fact, I won't play a game that has no female option.

Edit: and good lord I HATE the shiny skin, someone get Shep some oil reducing astringent ASAP

Modifié par Lady Jess, 29 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[AkodoRyu]

Liraelx wrote...

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up?

I added it in ME1/2 to tone down character's look. With ME3 CC my work went down the drain. Now she's just a doll.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 29 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[SkaldFish]

yukidama wrote...

I don't even hate her, she's just useless. Pointless. Waste of resources that could have gone elsewhere. Like, instead of spending that time scanning and making a lumpy Chobot model, make a real face for Tali or hair for Shepard or whatever. Give her a leather jacket and not Allers' recoloured dress. /salty 4ever

+2 Renegade for "lumpy Chobot model"...

[Liraelx]

nitefyre410 wrote...
hmmm  would this game store be known for taking trade ins and trying to push you to pre-order...    

Why yes, yes it would be >.<

And yes, the female superheroes in the cartoon versions tend to be more badass and better done that their printed comic counterparts. The old X-Men cartoons were good for butt kicking females too, I think there tends to be a bit more gender equality in things aimed at kids then at adults, as the same is true of children's/ young adult books versus adult books too.

Garrus is win, 'nuff said.


@ Delerious_Jedi: You're right, the make up does make her eyes really stand out, that's another reason why I went with make up for 2 because it made her that little bit more expressive in the revamped dialogue scenes. And true, better/ longer lasting make up could exist in the future, maybe stuff that lasts for a few weeks at a time, like those people who get make up tattooed on only less creepy/ without putting needles too near eyes.

@ nranola: Glad I'm not the only person who has that dilemma, I tend to always put some make up on as I find my characters can look a bit unfinished without it, especially if the textures aren't shaded to look complete, but more like blank slates. But most of the time I just use the most natural looking I can find. Jennelyn looks make-up free there
 

@ yukidama: I remember those creepy eyelids, but the light brown eyeshadow solved that for me too XP I like make up IRL too, but can't be bothered with it if I'm not going somewhere I feel I should look polished for (eg. work, nights out), so my characters tend to end up the same. It's definitely more believable to me for femShep to wear make up that in fantasy based rpgs where the setting is a pre-big pharmaseutical company era though.

@ MizzNaaa: I went with blame Miranda, she spent 2 years helping rebuild Shepard, she must've got bored at some point

@ Lady Jess: Do they actually allow it while on duty then? Or is an 'if we can't tell we don't care' kind of thing. Can't imagine rl soldiers being able to get away with what a lot of girls where I live do to themselves every day, but natural looking stuff is undetectable if done right. 

@ AkodoRyu: Did the face import issue get you? Sad times I hope they fix that soon for people who have all the games on one platform.

[AkodoRyu]

Liraelx wrote...

@ AkodoRyu: Did the face import issue get you? Sad times I hope they fix that soon for people who have all the games on one platform.

Nope, she imported okay, but general changes and new lighting make her look like she's made of wax.

Biggest eyes now are even bigger, and they're not almond-shaped anymore.

Face was kind of petite, round and had full cheeks, at 0 cheek gaunt, yet whole structure of the mesh is now lengthened vertically, cheeks sunken and if I try to tone down the shape by enlarging jaw and face overall, cheeks seem even more sunk, thus making her look emaciated.

Lips are different too.

Eyelashes have different alpha. While in previous games mask was different for every eye shape, now every shape has the same mask (I think). Designers have some serious problem with adding those long like from here to hell lashes on EVERY SINGLE FEMALE. Not to mention they clip in every scene. I'm not kidding. Every single scene.
It's ridiculous and I'm not sure why they don't see that.

Hair mesh was royally effed up, as you know. Added the old one via Gibbed, and with the deformations now it just doesn't suit her like it did in previous games. "Role" of her hairstyle was to optically make the face more fuller.
I was forced to change it.

I only managed to fix the profile. Well, she looks "good" overall, and all that, but doesn't feel like the same character anymore, and I feel detached.

And I pretty much can't get over it.

Oh, did I mentioned pale skin? You're forbidden to have a pale character in ME3? 80% of the time she looks like a ghost.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 29 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[Lady Jess]

Liraelx wrote...

@ Lady Jess: Do they actually allow it while on duty then? Or is an 'if we can't tell we don't care' kind of thing. Can't imagine rl soldiers being able to get away with what a lot of girls where I live do to themselves every day, but natural looking stuff is undetectable if done right. 

Yep it's allowed as long as it isn't overdone. It must compliment the complexion, even permanent eyeliner is ok. The limitations are simply gawdy colors like fire engine red lipstick, gold etc. Nails are allowed to be conservatively polished, and hair is allowed to be long as long as it is tied up securely to the head if it's longer than collar length.

[AtlasMickey]

Ottemis wrote...

I love that "gangsta" shot lol.

[raziel1980]

Liraelx wrote...

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead, so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look healthy.

Well... I do use mods on my femsheps....I use the ME 3 Devon mod and a mod that ottemis made for me called 'smokey makeup n mole mod)...and I have to be honest she looks a helluva lot more like her ME 2 self with it...which is what i wanted. I decided after that I would apply the smokey makeup/mod mod to all of my femsheps...my current Alicia uses it now along with the Lea mod( also made by ELE08).
Canon - Allison...

Current - Alicia -

Modifié par raziel1980, 29 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[mellifera]

SkaldFish wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I don't even hate her, she's just useless. Pointless. Waste of resources that could have gone elsewhere. Like, instead of spending that time scanning and making a lumpy Chobot model, make a real face for Tali or hair for Shepard or whatever. Give her a leather jacket and not Allers' recoloured dress. /salty 4ever

+2 Renegade for "lumpy Chobot model"...

Haha, well she loooks fine IRL, but the game version is totally super lumpy headed. She animates poorly too, I found myself distracted by her mouth when she spoke (in a bad way). Combined with that horrid outfit and wooden voice acting she's just a big ol' mess.

@Liraelx - I was so happy when I saw people with eyelids in ME3, lmfao. My Shepard uses the second darkest skintone so it wasn't as bad as it could be when I used that really sheer dark eyeshadow (the one after the super black eyeliner). I very rarely have my RPG characters wear a lot of makeup, I can't do it in Dragon Age but as you said it feels okay in Mass Effect because you can just use the "FUTURE!!!1" excuse. But even then, out of all the Shepards I have had, and there have been many, Nora is the only one who has used eyeshadow and lipstick.

[SkaldFish]

Been struggling to get Rhea looking like Rhea, and am starting to succeed, although none of the new hairmesh options looks quite right to me, and the hair color is a WIP, too. Couple of decent shots from Tuchanka:




Just stumbled onto the "1,2,3" framing in the second one. I like the dramatic lighting on Tuchanka, but for me it took a lot of flycam and scene-freezing to get decent shots. Finally my poor GPU started to get really hot so I moved on.

[SaturnRing]

raziel1980 wrote...


I'm a guy as well...been chatting here in the femshep threads since I guess consistently anyways...about January or Feb...not sure which really...before that I lurked the thread pretty regularly once I started playing ME on the pc, which was in September. I joined femshep.com just after demo release...so I could multi-player with alot of the regs here. Most I guess know me pretty well from either chat or my posting of my femsheps...whom I haven't even shown all off because well...I wasn't posting in the original thread at first. I also come froma  family of STRONG women...we are jamaican's by blood and most of my family moved here before I was born( in 1980).So, yeah I too love a strong female protagonist even if my tendancy is to play the male first because of my gender. I tend to like to play the females more because I fidn I can roleplay them a TON better..whereas the males I feel like I play them to my own personality. Anyways, let me stop rambling there...LOL.

Another of my current femshep Alicia...whom as I said before is gonna have complete personality switch from Paragade to Renegon...

I never wanted to tell my gender. I always thought it was irrelevant - that in a weird way it would be the most effective way to give an opinion and accept others; that it was kinda setting me free of any (gender - society) expectation; or that it wouldn't provide a filter for me (or others) to look through...
I come from a family where gender never really matter ( my dad was an engineer; my mom is a history/geography pr.). I learned at a very young age to treat people for who they are - not who they appear to be...
 i'm a dude too.

More of my Jane - she will do until i can import my canon...

 
   

Modifié par SaturnRing, 29 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[nitefyre410]

Liraelx wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
hmmm  would this game store be known for taking trade ins and trying to push you to pre-order...    

Why yes, yes it would be >.<

And yes, the female superheroes in the cartoon versions tend to be more badass and better done that their printed comic counterparts. The old X-Men cartoons were good for butt kicking females too, I think there tends to be a bit more gender equality in things aimed at kids then at adults, as the same is true of children's/ young adult books versus adult books too.

Garrus is win, 'nuff said.

*snip* 

  

That might be changing the WW  reference about the burnt hands  and bandaging her axe in hands and head back of  kick ass  and take names is from the comic. Her moms  was worst... fighting sea monster in pajama's and bare foot .   There are a  more female writers in comics now, matter of i remember Marvel did a panal with all the female writers at a convention. 

[Liraelx]

AkodoRyu wrote...

I only managed to fix the profile. Well, she looks "good" overall, and all that, but doesn't feel like the same character anymore, and I feel detached.

And I pretty much can't get over it.

Ah yeah I do miss that hairstyle, the new one doesn't flatter my Shepard at all in straight-on shots, but it looks fine from the back and side views so I can deal. It took me a few hours to get used to all the little changes but as she was still the same character to me I got used to it. My head canon can reconcile it as her getting older and going for a more mature look post-incarceration.

I think the muddy/ waxier tone makes everything in the game look different in a way thats not necessarily better, but at least it's a consistant visual change so it's not just Shepard who looks changed.

Those eyelashes sound messed up though, I never noticed an issue in my game so I must be using the one eye shape they do fit (old default femShep's).


@ Lady Jess: That's cool, good to know ^.^

@ raziel1980: Are they texmods? I play 2&3 on PS3 so no mods for me, but damn I wish I could change ME1 Sheps hair to something less frumpy.

[Liraelx]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Liraelx wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
hmmm  would this game store be known for taking trade ins and trying to push you to pre-order...    

Why yes, yes it would be >.<

And yes, the female superheroes in the cartoon versions tend to be more badass and better done that their printed comic counterparts. The old X-Men cartoons were good for butt kicking females too, I think there tends to be a bit more gender equality in things aimed at kids then at adults, as the same is true of children's/ young adult books versus adult books too.

Garrus is win, 'nuff said.

*snip* 

  

That might be changing the WW  reference about the burnt hands  and bandaging her axe in hands and head back of  kick ass  and take names is from the comic. Her moms  was worst... fighting sea monster in pajama's and bare foot .   There are a  more female writers in comics now, matter of i remember Marvel did a panal with all the female writers at a convention. 

Haven't actually read any WW comics as far as I can remember, when (roughly) was the bandaged hands butt kicking? I got tired of all the boob windows and A&T posses and kind of gave up on the super hero genre (with the exception of Neil Gaiman's versions of DC characters) so now I stick to other stuff like Dark Tower or very short run type things that are written by guest authors. Good to know things are gradually shifting though.