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[Syrdeth]

Liraelx wrote...

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead, so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look healthy.

For Kendra, it was pretty easy, I just went with whatever the guy who made the face used. Since she had a darker complexion, it was fine.

For Maria, I had to do a LOT of tweaking. First off, I recreated her in ME2 so I could get a face code. Did that with Kendra, too. That really paid off with ME3 since I got the import bug.

I made Maria's skin tone lighter since it looked odd (to me) with her red hair. I tried with no makeup, but her eyes just looked... odd. So I went with something  that made her eyes stand out a bit more. I'm not happy with her blush. Probably too much there.

Ugh. I just looked through her pics. Probably too much eye makeup, too. But, since this is her 2nd time through ME2, I'll just fix it in ME3.... if she ever gets there.

To show what I mean,

Kendra (pre-Renegade scars):


Maria:



edit: So many Sheps posted lately. They all look good! Yes, I'm lazy. Sue me.

Modifié par Syrdeth, 29 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[nitefyre410]

[quote]Liraelx wrote...

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Haven't actually read any WW comics as far as I can remember, when (roughly) was the bandaged hands butt kicking? I got tired of all the boob windows and A&T posses and kind of gave up on the super hero genre (with the exception of Neil Gaiman's versions of DC characters) so now I stick to other stuff like Dark Tower or very short run type things that are written by guest authors. Good to know things are gradually shifting though. [/quote]  

I love  Neil Gaiman btw

that happend to during the Arc with  when she fought  Genocide... I will have to look the exact name.  Interesting  art dependings on the artist and the actually the tone of book.  

Kotaku did a write up comparing   Uncanny X-men art to   X-force. While it was good comparison between Psylocke's art work in  Uncanny vs X-force They were trying to show the difference between grounded and outlandish but they conviently missed the point of.. Uncanny  this  Big adventure book  and eveything that comes with it.   X-force is the the  Black Ops Wet work team.. .the stories are darker, gritter,  and more grounded so the art is not as outlandish.  

[Ottemis]

@Syrdeth: You can change the scalar values for the blush and the eyemakeup via gibbed savegame editor in your most recent save, if you'd really want to. There's a post about editing makeup here, if you have any issues you can always shout out.

Modifié par Ottemis, 29 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[CrazyRah]

Liraelx wrote...

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up?

My Shep's a marine not a model personality and looking pretty isn't high up on her list so i went with little to no make up. I did give her some blush just to give her face some color though. 

[Syrdeth]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I was just looking through all the FemSheps I made, and all the FemSheps I planned to make. I just don't have it in me anymore. I played the game once, and I just can't go back. It was a letdown, a huge one at that, seeing that ending. It even put a damper on my enjoyment of the previous games. I'm yet to touch any game for more than a few minutes since finishing ME3 :/

I'm hoping that with time, and if -maybe (hopefully?)- BioWare fixes the crap that is the ending, and the crap that is the treatment of all ME2 characters, but for me mostly the ending, I'll be able to do that second playthrough and go back and finish all the awesome FemSheps I could make and planned to make, and already made.
*le sigh*

[evil snips, sorry]
How can I see that smile and put her through that ending again?

I couldn't agree more. I still have a bad taste in my mouth, and I finished over two weeks ago. I've only loaded the game to record some vids, and that was really hard to do. So many different playthroughs I wanted to try. I just don't see the point now.

[Syrdeth]

Ottemis wrote...

@Syrdeth: You can change the scalar values for the blush and the eyemakeup via gibbed savegame editor in your most recent save, if you'd really want to. There's a post about editing makeup here, if you have any issues you can always shout out.

I'm always paranoid about screwing up the flags in my saves by doing that. But, thanks. I appreciate it.

[Tup3x]

@makeup talk
I don't really think about it. I just pick things that look ok to me. Some blush to make some skintone variation and eye stuff to make eyes look a bit different than default. They used to look weird in ME1 and 2 without makeup.

[Ottemis]

Syrdeth wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

@Syrdeth: You can change the scalar values for the blush and the eyemakeup via gibbed savegame editor in your most recent save, if you'd really want to. There's a post about editing makeup here, if you have any issues you can always shout out.

I'm always paranoid about screwing up the flags in my saves by doing that. But, thanks. I appreciate it.

Just back the save up, should be fine =) Where you mess with the makeup scalar you can't touch the plotflags, it's all compartmentalised. For a bored saturday night, it's a 'fun' project =P

[MizzNaaa]

Syrdeth wrote...
I couldn't agree more. I still have a bad taste in my mouth, and I finished over two weeks ago. I've only loaded the game to record some vids, and that was really hard to do. So many different playthroughs I wanted to try. I just don't see the point now.

Me too. Haven't been able to go back in game even for screenies or videos. Just can't <_<

[Syrdeth]

Ottemis wrote...

Just back the save up, should be fine =) Where you mess with the makeup scalar you can't touch the plotflags, it's all compartmentalised. For a bored saturday night, it's a 'fun' project =P

Thanks. I'll give it a shot sometime.

Random FemShep pic, just 'cause.

http://cloud.steampo...85F22801F3D48C/

[ELE08]

MizzNaaa wrote...

As for why I chose FemShep; I chose FemShep because I'm a dudette, and I rather like seeing heroes in my own gender. Then I heard Jennifer Hale's voice and it was insta-love for me. She brings so much depth into FemShep, I just can't help but want to play my game that way. All of those who know me will know Jennifer (my femshep, not Jenn hale, the name was a complete coincidence by the way) is my baby, and I love her even more cause of the life JennHale's voice brought into her.

Same here.
Except for the one-femshep part. Femshep as a character is a fluid thing for me, always the same character essentially, just different variations. It's why I've made and played so many versions. And I get to experience more content that way as a side effect! 

Liraelx wrote...

Allers: Much as I hate that they made her character model that skanky and added yet another one night stand lady, she does become interesting if you talk to her enough, and she sends you one of the nicest messages you receive in game before the final push if you keep her on board, give her a chance folks!

And I have a question for you all, how do you decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead, so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look healthy.

Yeah, I still bring Allers on the ship even though I don't care too much for her. It's the completionist in me. She could be worse (such a ringing endorsement!) I think the part that irks me to most is it's resources that could have been put to better use elsewhere.

In regards to makeup, honestly, I probably would have liked a more natural Commander Shepard...but I had a really hard time making one in *this game* that I liked without it. ME3 compounded this problem by a thousand. Limitations of the character creator. I want to like how my character looks and animates. Especially when the main NPCs are so much more realistic than the custom settings, I wanted my Commander to look unique from random nightclub dancer. So why the crap not? I'm a goth chick at heart. *Hand wave* mass effect field stasis, yada yada, spectre brand-makeup yada. Voila. Totally feasible. About as feasible as Samara's cleavage.

AkodoRyu wrote...

Hair mesh was royally effed up, as you know. Added the old one via Gibbed, and with the deformations now it just doesn't suit her like it did in previous games. "Role" of her hairstyle was to optically make the face more fuller.
I was forced to change it.

I only managed to fix the profile. Well, she looks "good" overall, and all that, but doesn't feel like the same character anymore, and I feel detached.

And I pretty much can't get over it.

Oh, did I mentioned pale skin? You're forbidden to have a pale character in ME3? 80% of the time she looks like a ghost.

Pretty much everything that bothers me too.

The hair meshes <_<
It's the reason I can't make a Shep I'm happy with through all three games, there's no continuity in shape, and that ruins facial proportions 95% of the time.

Eris might be relegated to ME3 representative for all my import femsheps, because I made her in ME3 so she animates well. There's no way she's even remotely backwards compatible to 1 & 2, I've tried. It's sad that ME3 lacks the replayability of the previous games, so I'm not really feeling like I'm going to be missing content anyways (the whole point of multiple Sheps if you ask me.)

Teagan I will probably tweak a bit more and play through again, but that's because her tenacious nature has transcended the medium. She scares me

[Syrdeth]

MizzNaaa wrote...

Syrdeth wrote...
I couldn't agree more. I still have a bad taste in my mouth, and I finished over two weeks ago. I've only loaded the game to record some vids, and that was really hard to do. So many different playthroughs I wanted to try. I just don't see the point now.

Me too. Haven't been able to go back in game even for screenies or videos. Just can't <_<

I'm with you on that now. But, when I made them it was less than a week after I finished and there was so much I liked about the game (still is) that I wanted to share with other people. There's a couple more vids I want to do, but I don't have the fortitude now to go record them.

I just want to say, you guys are awesome. So much catharsis in this thread. Ok, time to walk away for a bit so this thread doesn't become about just me.

[meonlyred]

SkaldFish wrote...

yukidama wrote...
<snip/>
My thoughts exactly.

Ah, Allers -- the character whose existence brings so many new shades of meaning to the word "gratuitous."

The word is Nerdbait. She is a kind of hot chick who 'plays video games.' I didn't care who she was before ME3, now I'm slightly annoyed by the fact she sucks wind. I'm speaking about Jessica Chobot not Diana Allers. I actually felt this weird stirring in my heart (I think its called feelings) when she talked about what happened to Bekenstein. But then Zody is a colony kid too so that might just have been Zody projecting back on me.

Liraelx wrote...
And I have a question for you all, how do you
decide if/ when to give your characters noticible make up? I always
refuse to put noticble modern make up on my characters in fantasy rpgs
unless I see them as a character that takes a lot of pride in the way
they look (my FemHawke definitely does), otherwise I don't see why
they'd bother. I didn't originally use obvious make up in ME1 for the
reasons that Shepard is a soldier, she has more pressing matters to
attend to, and I doubt any military in the world would allow it while on
duty. For ME2 I did use it however, as I figured she's recently dead,
so there's a good chance she'd still look dead without it (plus Miranda
probably did it to her while she was unconcious ). Plus it's sci-fi so
modern make up doesn't look out of place. For ME3 I was glad they toned
down all the make up shades so I didn't have to alter it, as she's had
more time to recover, and therefore wouldn't need much of it to look
healthy.

I put makeup on Shepard solely for my pleasure. I think it makes them look better with it. The reason women are supposed to wear makeup is to enhance the features on their face. Like wearing clothing that fits you and is a color that goes with your coloring. Its not about being 'girly' or vain. And I hate it when people refer to it as such. Its no more vain than men trimming their breads to make them look nice. Or wearing that green shirt of yours because it brings out your eye color. In real life I don't wear makeup all the time because I'm lazy and can't be asked to get up a little earlier to put some on. I'm sure in 200 years appling makeup will be easier than brushing your teeth. Anyone remember the chick from Fifth Element who was doing her nails? 

So yes, my Shepards wear eye makeup because it brings out the color in their eyes. I don't care for the brush because most of those colors are to dramatic for the skin tones I normally use. And I go back and forth between no lipstick and the slight lip gloss.

Zody wears eye liner and dark shadow to bring out the Holy Hell Blue of her eyes and lip gloss just because I think its a nice natural color.


Dakota wear eye liner and dark shadow for the same reason. No lip coloring of any kind because Shepard's lip color is actually a very nice shade.


Same for Faye
http://cloud.steampo...9464BDB3C11E19/

Modifié par meonlyred, 29 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Liraelx]

Syrdeth wrote...

I made Maria's skin tone lighter since it looked odd (to me) with her red hair. I tried with no makeup, but her eyes just looked... odd. So I went with something  that made her eyes stand out a bit more. I'm not happy with her blush. Probably too much there.

I think it looks fine actually, she looks made up but not over done, and a lot of natural red heads get quite pink cheeks because they burn easily, so it goes with her general complexion to have a stronger blush.

@ CrazyRah: She definitely looks like she could kick major ass! I have no memory of that hairstyle being in the game though :S 

@ ELE08: I agree, its also really hard to tell what they're going to look like in game as the CC screen lighting is odd, it seems to happen in most games that have customisable characters, they give you a CC screen with lighting that occurs no where else in the game.

@ nitefyre410: X-Force sounds intersting, grittier/ weirder stuff generally interests me more than the more traditional stuff, which is why Sandman rocks so hard. However, I think we may be too off topic for this thread now, need a comics group XD 

[RainyDayLover]

I don't like using make-up in any of my creations but in the case of the ME CC, eye-liner is a must, else it looks completely off. I tried getting used to it but just..no...in-game femshep looks more natural with the eye-makeup than no makeup.

[Demonhoopa]

zingro wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

I see Shepard as her own person (I'm a man but even Sheploo does not feel more like me, Shepard is not me so gender is irrelevat). My canon lone Shep acts rather similar to what I would do (to a point). So basically every Shepard has quite a bit of me in them yet they still are their own persons.

This.

My Sheps have nothing to do with me. I play RPG's kind of like writing a story or watching a movie that I have input into. It's probably why I'm so comfortable playing a female char. It's simply not me any more than Angelina Jolie is when I'm watching Salt or Mr and Mrs Smith.

With all this talk of RPing, it's time for a Femshep pic collage!

Fiona

[TheMarshal]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Nope, she imported okay, but general changes and new lighting make her look like she's made of wax.

Biggest eyes now are even bigger, and they're not almond-shaped anymore.

Face was kind of petite, round and had full cheeks, at 0 cheek gaunt, yet whole structure of the mesh is now lengthened vertically, cheeks sunken and if I try to tone down the shape by enlarging jaw and face overall, cheeks seem even more sunk, thus making her look emaciated.

Lips are different too.

Eyelashes have different alpha. While in previous games mask was different for every eye shape, now every shape has the same mask (I think). Designers have some serious problem with adding those long like from here to hell lashes on EVERY SINGLE FEMALE. Not to mention they clip in every scene. I'm not kidding. Every single scene.
It's ridiculous and I'm not sure why they don't see that.

Hair mesh was royally effed up, as you know. Added the old one via Gibbed, and with the deformations now it just doesn't suit her like it did in previous games. "Role" of her hairstyle was to optically make the face more fuller.
I was forced to change it.

I only managed to fix the profile. Well, she looks "good" overall, and all that, but doesn't feel like the same character anymore, and I feel detached.

And I pretty much can't get over it.

Oh, did I mentioned pale skin? You're forbidden to have a pale character in ME3? 80% of the time she looks like a ghost.

I'm sorry Marge got affected by the engine changes.  She still looks amazing, though! (I happen to be partial to short hairstyles )

[Demonhoopa]

zennyrpg wrote...

Syrdeth wrote...

@Aislinn, I hope you change your mind and not leave. I'm fairly certain the vast majority of us here like having you post.

@sagequeen: One of these days I'm gonna disagree with you on something. So far, everything you've said (written) on here and your blog I'm in complete agreement with.

Speaking as a guy, the whole saving the damsel-in-distress thing seemed cool... when I was fifteen. Some twenty-five years later, it doesn't appeal to me at all. I'd much rather have that lady fight by my side while we save the village/kingdom/planet/galaxy. And wearing sensible armor, too.

I've had strong women in my family growing up, so as I got be an adult, the idea of playing a female character in a game just didn't seem odd to me. But, only if she happened to be the main character. If given the choice, I would chose male. It wasn't until I discovered the happy accident that is FemShep that all changed. One day, I was bored and having played through ME1 twice (with, dear god, two Sheploos) I decided to try a female. I think I just picked the default. I was hooked from before the Eden Prime mission. I then tried (and failed) to make my own custom face and as I posted before, sought out one.

IMHO, FemShep just works not because she's a strong female character, but because she's a strong character, period. I probably read that somewhere, so whomever I "borrowed" it from, sorry. But, it is exactly how I feel. A lot of it has to do with Jennifer Hale's voice acting. I have a few female chars in DAO, but they don't resonate with me as much as FemShep did.... does.

Now, whenever a game gives me a choice, I play female first. Then maybe try out the male. Maybe.

I have no idea why I wrote all that, it just wanted to get out. You guys benefit (or suffer) from me not having a blog. I guess what I'm saying is, yes, we need more female gamers. Driving them away for any reason is just not cool.

edit before I hit submit: I see that guy apologized. Stand up move.

I know I promised some pics of Maria, but the happy and cheeky post I have sitting in my open Notepad just doesn't seem appropriate right now. Maybe later.

Its really interesting to hear your perspective.  I'm a chick and I play femshep because... its just my natural tendency.  I would probably play mshep for variety, but I saw my boyfriend play most of the game as mshep so that wouldn't really be new content.

This has me wondering.  How many guys are in this thread?  I see tons of femshep profile pictures but I just realized that is probably no indication of gender.

Married father of 5. Play femshep EXCLUSIVELY and Lady Hawke about 80%. For a variety of reasons: I suck at making custom males, I have more sympathy for a female character and in the case of Mass Effect, massive voice acting preference.

[nranola]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Married father of 5. Play femshep EXCLUSIVELY and Lady Hawke about 80%. For a variety of reasons: I suck at making custom males, I have more sympathy for a female character and in the case of Mass Effect, massive voice acting preference.

Believe me, you are not alone.

Even in Dragon Age making decent-looking custom males using the CC is just impossible for me. I don't know how some people do it.

[Demonhoopa]

nranola wrote...

I would've preferred Emily Wong. It'd be a great way to recycle and establish more familiarity with a classic character. Oh well... I don't mind Allers but it just feels like such a good opportunity wasted.



A salute to the bravest journalist in the galaxy.

This. I'm not into "piling on" and refuse to go along with the Chobot hate fest. I thought she was fine but yes, would have preferred Emily Wong much more.

[Demonhoopa]

nranola wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Married father of 5. Play femshep EXCLUSIVELY and Lady Hawke about 80%. For a variety of reasons: I suck at making custom males, I have more sympathy for a female character and in the case of Mass Effect, massive voice acting preference.

Believe me, you are not alone.

Even in Dragon Age making decent-looking custom males using the CC is just impossible for me. I don't know how some people do it.

In my opinion, they DON'T. Hee hee. Maybe I'm just not a big fan of men. My first three kids were girls so as they got into their teens, I developed a real dislike for males.

[Tup3x]

^^LOL. Did you ever kick 'em out of your house if you felt like they were scum bags?

One thing about the make up which I don't quite understand... In ME1 and 2 eye shadow was blueish in my Shepard's case but now it looks like there's none at all, even when using same colour and intensity values. Now it looks like she has not had enough sleep. That's just something I've been wondering about.

Still, there's still something in the eyes that make Shepard look different (and the changed hair meshes don't help). Maybe it's the make up, maybe it's the little changes in shape - I'm not sure. If we leave eyes and hair alone, the structure itself is identical to ME2 as far as I can tell.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 29 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Demonhoopa]

Tup3xi wrote...

One thing about the make up which I don't quite understand... In ME1 and 2 eye shadow was blueish in my Shepard's case but now it looks like there's none at all, even when using same colour and intensity values. Now it looks like she has not had enough sleep. That's just something I've been wondering about.

Still, there's still something in the eyes that make Shepard look different (and the changed hair meshes don't help). Maybe it's the make up, maybe it's the little changes in shape - I'm not sure.

Am I the only one that likes the hair better in ME3? Before it looked like a clay mold to me. Now I can see the indivicual hairs at the base of her skull/back of the neck (that area on the pony tail hairstyle drove me nuts in the first two games).

Then again, I'm probably part of a small group anyway since I love ME3 over all. On my 4th playthrough.


Will Sam be the first of my girls to survive?

"Damn straight. Cybill and Fiona were too soft. Rhynne was just a mess. Thanks for warming them up girls, it's time for the first team to git er done"
- Sam

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 29 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Tup3x]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

One thing about the make up which I don't quite understand... In ME1 and 2 eye shadow was blueish in my Shepard's case but now it looks like there's none at all, even when using same colour and intensity values. Now it looks like she has not had enough sleep. That's just something I've been wondering about.

Still, there's still something in the eyes that make Shepard look different (and the changed hair meshes don't help). Maybe it's the make up, maybe it's the little changes in shape - I'm not sure.

Am I the only one that likes the hair better in ME3? Before it looked like a clay mold to me. Now I can see the indivicual hairs at the base of her neck (the base of the neck on the pony tail hairstyle drove me nuts in the first two games).

Then again, I probably part of a small group anyway since I love ME3 over all. On my 4th playthrough.

It's a bit mixed bag. The hair looks blurry mess in ME3, it should have a lot higher resolution textures (it has inconsistent look in certain areas). One the other had in ME2 the hair mesh had much more detail (1:1 crops, 8xMSAA really helps with the fine detail):



Sure, the textures sucked and it looked kinda sharp but still. ME3 models are really, really simple.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 29 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[TheMarshal]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Am I the only one that likes the hair better in ME3? Before it looked like a clay mold to me. Now I can see the indivicual hairs at the base of her neck (the base of the neck on the pony tail hairstyle drove me nuts in the first two games).

Then again, I probably part of a small group anyway since I love ME3 over all. On my 4th playthrough.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone's complaining about the hair textures used, mostly just the wonky hair models that don't look anything like their ME1/ME2 counterparts.