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[LilaNoir]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Sam's adventures continue

Aww you shot poor misguided Ashley?

[mellifera]

I think there's a fundamental difference between open-endings that invite speculation but don't depend on it to give a remotely satisfying conclusion and poorly written tripe made solely for the sake of speculation for everyone!!11 It's insulting to be told we don't ~understand~ it or we just need to read more books. We're not angry because we don't "get it", and the implication that we're too uneducated to appreciate it is damn annoying. So yeah, sorry, but no.

[LilaNoir]

yukidama wrote...

I like the subtle glow-y hints of your Shep's renegade-ness.

[Esoretal]

I think this expression pretty much speaks for itself.
 

Modifié par Esoretal, 30 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[AshTheBrave]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I agree that discussing the ending on its own is off topic, but you'll notice we started out discussing how it affected our Sheps and their responses to it. THAT's not off topic. No reason we can't keep discussing that aspect of it.

For example. The biggest reason I hate the ending? It stole Jessica from me. Imagine if you have a wife, sister, daughter, mother... and one day she vanishes. You don't know if she's alive or dead, you don't know if she was kidnapped or hit by a car, if she's being tortured... that's why I feel the way I do. I don't know.. The breath at the end doesn't help. That's like getting a phone call with a few seconds of your loved one's wordless voice before the line goes dead.

I just want Jessica back. Please, BioWare... can't I just have her back?

I feel the same way. I felt like femshep was really just beginning to shine. The dialogue was so much more real in ME3. I felt like she was finally a person not some mindless hero. I liked that. It's great progression of the character. She even got an awesome default face which I love. Then they took her away. 

At least I can play through the game again. Is the memory shard worth it? I think so.

[Tup3x]

sagequeen wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect, everything we know about the world gets thrown out the window. Everything we know about Shepard gets thrown out the window. This is not artistic license. This is a mistake.

One of the biggest mistakes in the entire history of gaming if you ask me.

adneate wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
The starchild, last 10 minutes and all those choices... Bioware, And that actually describes how I feel pretty accurately.

Though there's an old saying in politics, "If you're explaining you're losing." Which is where we are, BioWare having to explain something means it has fundamentally failed at whatever it was trying to do. The ending being an incomprehensible series of events and poorly thought out ideas means it's a bad ending in need of a do over not someone saying "You see it actually means . . ."

Since if you're explaining you've already lost.

So true.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 30 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[mellifera]

@NanNoir- Thanks! She's very much a paragade. I like having the hint of renegade scars on her face, makes up for her missing ME1 scars. They're a bit lighter than they were in ME2, the lack of a middle option made her a bit more paragon in ME3.

@Esoretal- It definitely does, haha. I like your Shep, too.

[TheMarshal]

Tup3xi wrote...

adneate wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
The starchild, last 10 minutes and all those choices... Bioware, And that actually describes how I feel pretty accurately.

Though there's an old saying in politics, "If you're explaining you're losing." Which is where we are, BioWare having to explain something means it has fundamentally failed at whatever it was trying to do. The ending being an incomprehensible series of events and poorly thought out ideas means it's a bad ending in need of a do over not someone saying "You see it actually means . . ."

Since if you're explaining you've already lost.

So true.

This.  So much, this.

[2leggywillow]

sagequeen wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
If you're upset with speculation, you shouldn't be engaging the genre of speculative fiction. That's what science fiction is. That's what Mass Effect is.

 

I'm sorry, what? What speculative fiction? okay Edit: looked it up. yeah. even if mass effect is this genre, the ending is still awful.

In my mind, fiction is stuff that is true in its own universe - eVEN if that universe is speculative. You have to carefully craft that universe. And if you pull out all the underpinnings of that universe in one *yoink!* you don't have Art with a capital 'a'. You have a mess.

Fantasy, I believe, has to be MORE real than reality in this sense: if you have magic/science that acts as magic, you need to make up for that by having other parts of that world be even more consistent and grounded in how people actually act and what they actually do. Case in point: Harry Potter, for all that the magic is totally 'fix anything' is grounded in kids who act like kids and think like kids. It works because we believe the characters and are willing to invest in their world. 

At the end of Mass Effect, everything we know about the world gets thrown out the window. Everything we know about Shepard gets thrown out the window. This is not artistic lisence. This is a mistake. This is bad writing. This is silly and sophmorish and completely deserves the derision that fans have pointed at it. And more than fans: writers, columnists, etc. have chimed in on it. Remember the guy who said Mass Effect is the most important sci-fi of our generation? He wrote an article called Mass Effect, Tolkien and Your BullSh*t Artisitc process. It's a great read. He totally hits it out of the park on why the ending is so miserable on the level of a story, on the level of a RPG, on the level of world-building, on the level of just about anything.

Look, I know some people think the ending was fine or those of us who hate it are being - I dunno. Silly? Not enjoying the game for what it is? And I have no intention to derail the thread over and over. But the thing is this: you give us a character femshep and then make her bite the dust (or whatever happened, i still think it's unclear) at the end of the game, and I, for one, cannot separate that from her story. That's where her story ends. That means the endings are relevant to femshep. And they are relevant to the thread.

I agree, I don't want this to devolve into personal attacks, etc. But I guess based on what I've heard others say, they need this outlet to talk about the endings and they want to discuss it. I think as long as we are civil, we can 'allow' that topic of conversation.

In the past, for example, we've debated choices we've made and kept it civil. I have strong opinions on the choices I make for femshep. Honestly, I don't just RP it. That's part of why I really have trouble with alts. I do what I think is *morally correct* in each decision. Sometimes I've changed my mind. But I really think what I choose is the right thing to do. Doesn't mean I impose that on other sheps or playthroughs or think you're awful if you choose differently than me. I might think you're wrong, but I can still respect you.

So, yeah, I agree. Sometimes the thread is a little grumpy these days. Heck, sometimes I have gotten myself into a good mood, then I come here, see the vitrol, and I'm back to angry again and I think 'Dang it! Why couldnt you just post femshep happies and make me happy too." but it's a public thread, with public opinion. so long as its adult and civil and on topic (and again, i think the ending talk is), people can say what they want.

I don't believe in being a cheerleader. I, personally, believe actively engaging art is being a responsive audience. I always find if you just say 'Go team!' all the time, you're not really paying attention to the plays. BioWare fumbled the ball. I think it's perfectly reasonable if I take note of that.

And if tacking a femshep pic on makes this relevant, hey, here you go:

::snip::

Very well said.

I was going to snip most of it but it deserves to be on another page anyway.  Not discussing the endings in this thread is going to be like never mentioning Horizon in Kaidan and Ashley's ME2 threads: people may get tired of it after a while (or very quickly), but it's a big moment for the character that most people aren't going to be able to ignore in discussions about FemShep in ME3.

[Syrdeth]

RainyDayLover wrote...

http://vulpesetuva.t...nough-one-thing

I...I'm..speechless. I don't know if I should be glad that was cut from the game, because it would have made the ending harder to swallow. Anyhow, just when I thought I was starting to feel better about it all, I had to come across that link. Argh.

I feel like sh!t.

I'm one of those odd people that wishes that wasn't cut from the game. Cried real man tears when I first heard it. And then promptly replayed it about half a dozen more times.

[SaturnRing]

Demonhoopa wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Sam's adventures continue

That is brutal. But perfectly realistic. 

My Ash survived though...

Ash had survived both times for me prior (Kaidan was alive my first playthrough).

Rhynne, as anyone who has read her journal knows, had a deep, complex but tumultuous friendship with Ashley. She would NEVER have considered shooting her. Yeah she yelled at Ashley on Mars and told her to "Have a cup of shut the f*ck up and get over it", but once Ash was hurt, Rhynne visited her regularly and worked hard to repair their damaged friendship to where they could at least be cordial and professional. Yeah it was still strained but she was able to talk Ashley down on the Citadel.

Fiona, being the Mary Sue she is, spend most of her time with Ash practically begging Ash to trust and believe in her :::puke::: so it didn't take much to get Ash to turn her gun on Udina.

Sam was very pissed about Horizon and felt a good friend had turned her back when she was needed most. Ash picked the Alliance over her even though the Alliance had smeared Shepard's name in death and tried to make her look like a nut job concerning the Reapers. Sam never forgave her. When Ash was critically injured on Mars, she did go to the hospital and talk to the doctors to make sure Ashley would recover. She even went to her room but could only get as far as the front door. She watched Ashley sleep through the window but did not, could not enter.

While Sam had had it up to her eyebrows with Ashley's accusations and jabbing comments about Cerberus, she never wished her harm. However, when Ashley just looked at her like she was a stranger as Sam frantically tried to tell her that Cerberus was about to come crashing through the door, and wouldn't even listen to her even though she had Garrus AND Liara with her, that was the last straw. She plugged her. The irony that Ashley, with all her "honor" and blind loyalty to the Alliance, basically died protecting a Cerberus agent (Udina) was not lost on Sam.

While she found this sad, her patented answer to any crew member that tried to console her was "She brought it on herself". Only Joker seemed to truly echo Sam's feelings "You'd think we'd have earned the benefit of the doubt right now".

"Funny you should say that Joker. That's exactly what I was thinking on Horizon".

 Ash is the only one that doesn't seem to get over the fact that Cerberus rebuilt her. When it comes to Shepard, she's for some reason uncompromising. But that's why i love her so much.   

[sagefic]

Tup3xi wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect, everything we know about the world gets thrown out the window. Everything we know about Shepard gets thrown out the window. This is not artistic license. This is a mistake.

One of the biggest mistakes in the entire history of gaming if you ask me.

adneate wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
The starchild, last 10 minutes and all those choices... Bioware, And that actually describes how I feel pretty accurately.

Though there's an old saying in politics, "If you're explaining you're losing." Which is where we are, BioWare having to explain something means it has fundamentally failed at whatever it was trying to do. The ending being an incomprehensible series of events and poorly thought out ideas means it's a bad ending in need of a do over not someone saying "You see it actually means . . ."

Since if you're explaining you've already lost.

So true.

Exactly.

This is a weird favorite book of mine, but if you can ever find this gem, read The REader's Manifesto by B.R. Myers. Basically points out that a lot of 'literary' fiction is crap, but because it hides behind 'art' and 'oh, you silly unwashed masses don't get it' it gets published and held up as good fiction. his point is that Stephen King is a million times a better writer than most current pulitzer winners. it's a brilliant read.

and his point agrees with that. if you have to tell your audience why they didn't get it, you lost. one of his best lines is this "Good fiction isn't always easy, but it's always lucid."  You should be able to get stuff on one level, even if you don't pick up the deeper meanings. for something to make sense on NO levels? Fail.

[Esoretal]

AshTheBrave wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I agree that discussing the ending on its own is off topic, but you'll notice we started out discussing how it affected our Sheps and their responses to it. THAT's not off topic. No reason we can't keep discussing that aspect of it.

For example. The biggest reason I hate the ending? It stole Jessica from me. Imagine if you have a wife, sister, daughter, mother... and one day she vanishes. You don't know if she's alive or dead, you don't know if she was kidnapped or hit by a car, if she's being tortured... that's why I feel the way I do. I don't know.. The breath at the end doesn't help. That's like getting a phone call with a few seconds of your loved one's wordless voice before the line goes dead.

I just want Jessica back. Please, BioWare... can't I just have her back?

I feel the same way. I felt like femshep was really just beginning to shine. The dialogue was so much more real in ME3. I felt like she was finally a person not some mindless hero. I liked that. It's great progression of the character. She even got an awesome default face which I love. Then they took her away. 

At least I can play through the game again. Is the memory shard worth it? I think so.

Yeah, I got really attached to my Shepard, after three games. Seeing her go through all of that only to maybe possibly be obliterated at the end, with no real conclusive evidence, without even a change to fight, is only one of the many things that upsets me about the ending.

Javik's memory shard conversation was intriguingly astute. Yes, I think it's worth it, too...

@yukidama Thanks!

Modifié par Esoretal, 30 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Syrdeth]

sagequeen wrote...

I'm sorry, what? What speculative fiction? okay Edit: looked it up. yeah. even if mass effect is this genre, the ending is still awful.

In my mind, fiction is stuff that is true in its own universe - eVEN if that universe is speculative. You have to carefully craft that universe. And if you pull out all the underpinnings of that universe in one *yoink!* you don't have Art with a capital 'a'. You have a mess.

Fantasy, I believe, has to be MORE real than reality in this sense: if you have magic/science that acts as magic, you need to make up for that by having other parts of that world be even more consistent and grounded in how people actually act and what they actually do. Case in point: Harry Potter, for all that the magic is totally 'fix anything' is grounded in kids who act like kids and think like kids. It works because we believe the characters and are willing to invest in their world. 

At the end of Mass Effect, everything we know about the world gets thrown out the window. Everything we know about Shepard gets thrown out the window. This is not artistic lisence. This is a mistake. This is bad writing. This is silly and sophmorish and completely deserves the derision that fans have pointed at it. And more than fans: writers, columnists, etc. have chimed in on it. Remember the guy who said Mass Effect is the most important sci-fi of our generation? He wrote an article called Mass Effect, Tolkien and Your BullSh*t Artisitc process. It's a great read. He totally hits it out of the park on why the ending is so miserable on the level of a story, on the level of a RPG, on the level of world-building, on the level of just about anything.

Look, I know some people think the ending was fine or those of us who hate it are being - I dunno. Silly? Not enjoying the game for what it is? And I have no intention to derail the thread over and over. But the thing is this: you give us a character femshep and then make her bite the dust (or whatever happened, i still think it's unclear) at the end of the game, and I, for one, cannot separate that from her story. That's where her story ends. That means the endings are relevant to femshep. And they are relevant to the thread.

I agree, I don't want this to devolve into personal attacks, etc. But I guess based on what I've heard others say, they need this outlet to talk about the endings and they want to discuss it. I think as long as we are civil, we can 'allow' that topic of conversation.

In the past, for example, we've debated choices we've made and kept it civil. I have strong opinions on the choices I make for femshep. Honestly, I don't just RP it. That's part of why I really have trouble with alts. I do what I think is *morally correct* in each decision. Sometimes I've changed my mind. But I really think what I choose is the right thing to do. Doesn't mean I impose that on other sheps or playthroughs or think you're awful if you choose differently than me. I might think you're wrong, but I can still respect you.

So, yeah, I agree. Sometimes the thread is a little grumpy these days. Heck, sometimes I have gotten myself into a good mood, then I come here, see the vitrol, and I'm back to angry again and I think 'Dang it! Why couldnt you just post femshep happies and make me happy too." but it's a public thread, with public opinion. so long as its adult and civil and on topic (and again, i think the ending talk is), people can say what they want.

I don't believe in being a cheerleader. I, personally, believe actively engaging art is being a responsive audience. I always find if you just say 'Go team!' all the time, you're not really paying attention to the plays. BioWare fumbled the ball. I think it's perfectly reasonable if I take note of that.

And if tacking a femshep pic on makes this relevant, hey, here you go:
[snip]

Sage, once again you get in my head and say what I am thinking and feeling much more eloquently and succinctly than I ever could. Stop that already!

*looks over at the wall of text he had been typing* I'll just save that for a blog. Eventually.

Also, if you haven't seen it, this is a very well done video:


He uses lots of clips of FemShep, too.

Modifié par Syrdeth, 30 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Cyansomnia]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I agree that discussing the ending on its own is off topic, but you'll notice we started out discussing how it affected our Sheps and their responses to it. THAT's not off topic. No reason we can't keep discussing that aspect of it.

For example. The biggest reason I hate the ending? It stole Jessica from me. Imagine if you have a wife, sister, daughter, mother... and one day she vanishes. You don't know if she's alive or dead, you don't know if she was kidnapped or hit by a car, if she's being tortured... that's why I feel the way I do. I don't know.. The breath at the end doesn't help. That's like getting a phone call with a few seconds of your loved one's wordless voice before the line goes dead.

I just want my Jessica back. Please, BioWare... can't I just have her back?

Exactly, I was talking about the ending in relation to my FemShep.  I have the right to do so, as it added to the slow destruction of my character throughout the game.  As for stealing my Shepard away from me, she was already almost gone by the time I hit that beam in London.  There are other things broken for her besides that lump of crap ending.

@Sage

I should pick up the book you just mentioned, as I agree with the guy already!  I may or may not be a Stephen King fan.



We really should keep the topic FemShep related, though.  Don't wanna get too off-kilter.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 30 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[nitefyre410]

sagequeen wrote...

*snipp* 

Exactly.

This is a weird favorite book of mine, but if you can ever find this gem, read The REader's Manifesto by B.R. Myers. Basically points out that a lot of 'literary' fiction is crap, but because it hides behind 'art' and 'oh, you silly unwashed masses don't get it' it gets published and held up as good fiction. his point is that Stephen King is a million times a better writer than most current pulitzer winners. it's a brilliant read.

and his point agrees with that. if you have to tell your audience why they didn't get it, you lost. one of his best lines is this "Good fiction isn't always easy, but it's always lucid."  You should be able to get stuff on one level, even if you don't pick up the deeper meanings. for something to make sense on NO levels? Fail.

 

Exactly there is being deep and making that you think to the point of.. Oh snap now I get...  End of Evangelion  would be an example. 

Then there is this makes no sense which brings nothing but anger and frustration. 

[Demonhoopa]

SaturnRing wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Sam's adventures continue

That is brutal. But perfectly realistic. 

My Ash survived though...

Ash had survived both times for me prior (Kaidan was alive my first playthrough).

Rhynne, as anyone who has read her journal knows, had a deep, complex but tumultuous friendship with Ashley. She would NEVER have considered shooting her. Yeah she yelled at Ashley on Mars and told her to "Have a cup of shut the f*ck up and get over it", but once Ash was hurt, Rhynne visited her regularly and worked hard to repair their damaged friendship to where they could at least be cordial and professional. Yeah it was still strained but she was able to talk Ashley down on the Citadel.

Fiona, being the Mary Sue she is, spend most of her time with Ash practically begging Ash to trust and believe in her :::puke::: so it didn't take much to get Ash to turn her gun on Udina.

Sam was very pissed about Horizon and felt a good friend had turned her back when she was needed most. Ash picked the Alliance over her even though the Alliance had smeared Shepard's name in death and tried to make her look like a nut job concerning the Reapers. Sam never forgave her. When Ash was critically injured on Mars, she did go to the hospital and talk to the doctors to make sure Ashley would recover. She even went to her room but could only get as far as the front door. She watched Ashley sleep through the window but did not, could not enter.

While Sam had had it up to her eyebrows with Ashley's accusations and jabbing comments about Cerberus, she never wished her harm. However, when Ashley just looked at her like she was a stranger as Sam frantically tried to tell her that Cerberus was about to come crashing through the door, and wouldn't even listen to her even though she had Garrus AND Liara with her, that was the last straw. She plugged her. The irony that Ashley, with all her "honor" and blind loyalty to the Alliance, basically died protecting a Cerberus agent (Udina) was not lost on Sam.

While she found this sad, her patented answer to any crew member that tried to console her was "She brought it on herself". Only Joker seemed to truly echo Sam's feelings "You'd think we'd have earned the benefit of the doubt right now".

"Funny you should say that Joker. That's exactly what I was thinking on Horizon".

 Ash is the only one that doesn't seem to get over the fact that Cerberus rebuilt her. When it comes to Shepard, she's for some reason uncompromising. But that's why i love her so much.   

And now she's taking an uncompromising dirt nap. Hee hee.

Sorry, Sam took possession of my hands for a second. Seriously though, I think Ash is a great character and love the conflict possiblilities. If she was also a romantic option for Femshep the possibilities would be limitless.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 30 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[Silver]

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Modifié par silverhammer08, 30 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[Cyansomnia]

For some reason I picture my FemShep saying something along the lines of what Theoden said in LOTR, after witnessing so much slaughter (likely including all the people on The Citadel):

"So much death. What can men do against such wreckless hate?"

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 30 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[coldwetn0se]

sagequeen wrote...

*snippity*

Exactly.

This is a weird favorite book of mine, but if you can ever find this gem, read The REader's Manifesto by B.R. Myers. Basically points out that a lot of 'literary' fiction is crap, but because it hides behind 'art' and 'oh, you silly unwashed masses don't get it' it gets published and held up as good fiction. his point is that Stephen King is a million times a better writer than most current pulitzer winners. it's a brilliant read.

and his point agrees with that. if you have to tell your audience why they didn't get it, you lost. one of his best lines is this "Good fiction isn't always easy, but it's always lucid."  You should be able to get stuff on one level, even if you don't pick up the deeper meanings. for something to make sense on NO levels? Fail.

I am just a lurker here, so sorry for the intrusion, but I just love this example to your discussion.  Felt it bared repeating, and I am going to see if I can find that book; it sounds right up my alley.  Thank you for the recommendation.

I would leave you all with a f!Shep, but don't currently have one available to show.  Carry on f!Sheppers!

[ELE08]

NanNoir wrote...

@Mestesso Thank you! I'm not sure how she feels about being called a button. She gets called that one too many times. Will a button do this:


Call me a button again.

Kidding! She appreciates all the lovely comments. Thank you.

Nope, still adorable *is dead*.

She is rapidly becoming one of my favorites <3

[Gilsa]

AshTheBrave wrote...

At least I can play through the game again. Is the memory shard worth it? I think so.

I see what you did there. Awesome use of that analogy. =D

Modifié par Gilsa, 30 mars 2012 - 06:14 .

[SaturnRing]

Demonhoopa wrote...

And now she's taking an uncompromising dirt nap. Hee hee.

Sorry, Sam took possession of my hands for a second. Seriously though, I think Ash is a great character and love the conflict possiblilities. If she was also a romantic option for Femshep the possibilities would be limitless.

Damn. Sam isn't messing arround...Is she renegade all the way or just a diplomatic one - to quote someone on this thread - so to speak?

Modifié par SaturnRing, 30 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[Lianna sFfalenn]

NanNoir wrote...

@Mestesso Thank you! I'm not sure how she feels about being called a button. She gets called that one too many times. Will a button do this:


Call me a button again.

Kidding! She appreciates all the lovely comments. Thank you.

Hey, if it buys you those extra seconds....

Bad Guy: "Awww, look! She's as cute as-" *goes cross-eyed as hole appears in forehead*
Shepard: "You were saying?"

Face 4

Finished Tuchanka a couple of nights ago. Unfortunately my screenshot fu was weak, and I didn't get many good ones, but I did like these "mirror" pictures from the aftermath.





Love the ponytail in ME3. I wonder if it would be possible to hack the Jack hair strands on in place of the standard ones, or whether it's all one mesh? I noticed that Jack has thinner strands that look a bit more "real" - the thicker Shepard ones can look a bit odd in certain shots.

[Tup3x]

sagequeen wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

At the end of Mass Effect, everything we know about the world gets thrown out the window. Everything we know about Shepard gets thrown out the window. This is not artistic license. This is a mistake.

One of the biggest mistakes in the entire history of gaming if you ask me.

adneate wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
The starchild, last 10 minutes and all those choices... Bioware, And that actually describes how I feel pretty accurately.

Though there's an old saying in politics, "If you're explaining you're losing." Which is where we are, BioWare having to explain something means it has fundamentally failed at whatever it was trying to do. The ending being an incomprehensible series of events and poorly thought out ideas means it's a bad ending in need of a do over not someone saying "You see it actually means . . ."

Since if you're explaining you've already lost.

So true.

Exactly.

This is a weird favorite book of mine, but if you can ever find this gem, read The REader's Manifesto by B.R. Myers. Basically points out that a lot of 'literary' fiction is crap, but because it hides behind 'art' and 'oh, you silly unwashed masses don't get it' it gets published and held up as good fiction. his point is that Stephen King is a million times a better writer than most current pulitzer winners. it's a brilliant read.

and his point agrees with that. if you have to tell your audience why they didn't get it, you lost. one of his best lines is this "Good fiction isn't always easy, but it's always lucid."  You should be able to get stuff on one level, even if you don't pick up the deeper meanings. for something to make sense on NO levels? Fail.

That is spot on. You know, I was forced to read a lot of crap in upper secondary school for Finnish classes. I was thinking what the hell is this crap. This has no sense. Sometimes I think that they are tricked to think that it's good just because they actually don't understand at all what's going on. At one time I just refused to finish one book ('twas artsy, I just couldn't understand why the writer got pulizer from that). Then when we had to wrote about the book (I did know the story basically) I badmouthed it. I wrote exactly what I was thinking. Teacher was not happy about it and everyone in the class room knew at least what I thought about that book. It wasn't the worst book in the history but definitely overrated. I've read worse and oh boy was it bad (even won some stuff too). Sometimes I think that the more prizes book wins, the more artsy nonsense it is.

I think it's insulting to pull the "it's art" card when people don't "understand" something. Sometimes artists and writers just fail to deliver. People make mistakes. That's understandable but when you really screw up you should admit that and not make petty excuses.

The ending in ME3 isn't art. It just doesn't make any sense. It has more holes than Emmental cheese. They way the writing changed in the end when talking to the spectral boy really made me speechless. Shepard's personality totally changed there. I didn't know who was that person any more.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 30 mars 2012 - 06:34 .